mike_c: not really a ponzi then, just straight stealing.
fluffypony: mike_c: they won't make a single payment
pankkake: not the first fiat ponzi scam to accept btc. but this one looks better (css wise)
mike_c: and they are "strong. loyal innovative."
chetty: yeah thats what I was thinking - and they take btc to "invest"
benkay: i failed to bookmark the 'how would you like that wrapped up' editorial cartoon re: bitcoin. does anyone else have the link handy?
benkay cries in the corner
jurov: i'd bet some of these mining ops
mike_c: aand, it's gone. ah, interesting bitbet: what will be the next fund delisted from havelock? could be one every month!
pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama
pankkake: there is assbot log
mike_c: if anyone here is doing that history of failures, you should screen grab the neebeeq stuff quick
pankkake: will it stop once they can't try to pump neobeeQ anymore?
fluffypony: "Also European and International arrest warrants have been issued together with an Interpol Red Notice."
ozbot: View the profile of blackkys
ThickAsThieves: dude is probly jimmothy or some other toxic actor
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: that's the thing
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
ThickAsThieves: probably just someone has a buttload of mpoe and unloads once in a while when they can
Apocalyptic: jurov, like an iceberg, it's melting under the water
jurov: lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"
jurov: really, all these slaughters of own citizens..what other purpose it could have then eugenics?
Apocalyptic: can stop the .org domain definitely
pankkake: can't stop the signal
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: aside from the obvious fact that 99+% of the material found there is junk - no idea.
jurov: How was the US State Department been busy in Ukraine?
asciilifeform: in other news:
pankkake: there's still opportunities
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fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: pleasure, I couldn't think of any others offhand
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony thank you for your question suggestions for the Bitcoin2014 conference
bitcoingirl: the settlement has a "Prosecution Fund" provision that would go after stolen customer assets
ThickAsThieves: who the hell wants to run the new mt gox with such a cloud and debt hanging over its head
ThickAsThieves: and then it fizzles and dies
ThickAsThieves: making investors whole is indeed unlikely, but it's also impossible if they liquidate
jurov: there is *no way* to make investors whole again
bitcoingirl: <+ThickAsThieves> right, that's the argument
ThickAsThieves: that doesnt mean there isnt money to be made
pankkake: the userbase doesn't like mtgox. it always sucked
bitcoingirl: Hi doesn't anyone have any thoughts on the SaveGox campaign?
fluffypony: someone should write an article loudly claiming Apple is buying Ripple and they'll be calling it Rapple
ThickAsThieves: Just like data wants to be free, money wants to move like data. Ripple is looking more and more like the rails on which that money will move."
ThickAsThieves: " Smart money, however, is on the fact that today’s Fidor announcement will be the first domino in a long chain of such adoptions.
davout: i guess if that's what you define as an "altcoin" then we are in agreement
davout: pankkake: well then it's just some IOU for nothing, not really an altcoin in the sense that it doesn't work in the same ways cryptos do
pankkake: davout: the trick is to create a currency and not do anything with it
davout: Apocalyptic: that fits the definition of a stamp
davout: pankkake: "you can also create other altcoins in ripple <<< i don't think so or i misunderstand sthg
Apocalyptic: then I guess I did
ThickAsThieves: not the mission is shared
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purpose // I argue the purpose is clearly different
pankkake: you can also create other altcoins in ripple
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the thing is XRP is bound to be depleted
Apocalyptic: you stated it right there
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
ThickAsThieves: i'm not stating it as a competitor to bitcoin, so much as the reverse
davout: it's the "anywhere in the world" part that's misleading, that's not actually true, the cash EUR never leaves fidor
Apocalyptic: <davout> it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << this
ThickAsThieves: “Ripple enables us to securely and instantly send money anywhere in the world at no additional cost and through the same customer facing products and relationships we offer today.”
davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way
davout: well, for certain values of money it works, for the ones we're interested in it's irrelevant
davout: ThickAsThieves: bitcoin doesn't work for the "same purposes", bitcoin is about cash, ripple is about debt
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
ThickAsThieves: i dont like it nonetheless
davout: (and to bitcoin-central as well obv. but they have no stake in it, so that's not really the same)
davout: it's interesting that they do that since ripple will then be a direct competitor to both kraken and bitcoin.de
davout: latter case there's not much point
davout: former case they're ripe for ML abuse and whatnot
davout: EUR IOUs are basically e-money, so it's either
ThickAsThieves: I guess the japanese horror movies were right, baby blood does make you younger http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/science/young-blood-may-hold-key-to-reversing-aging.html?_r=1
jurov: *breathes heavily*
random_cat_: mircea_popescu didn't get the memo :D
mircea_popescu: (also not on the list)
fluffypony: and some of the servers are broken
mircea_popescu: there ios some possibility someone is using the favicon to track people visiting the server
fluffypony: maybe they're just reinstalling
mircea_popescu: is the keyserver being discreetely attacked ?
fluffypony: key icon on the second
fluffypony: page not found on the first
fluffypony: but that's changed in the past hour
artifexd: Seriously. I'm getting "This is the default web page for this server." on the port 80 url.
mircea_popescu: there is some skulldruggery going on here. 1 sec i show you.
artifexd: They both look vastly different than earlier.
mircea_popescu: what the glowing fuck.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i mean the favicon strictly.
artifexd: At the time they were both keyrings. Right now, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ looks like it hasn't been configured.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano << secure is a relative, not an absolute term.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves money laundering is the only conceivable explanation.
mircea_popescu: it used to be that if you uped yourself for 30 mins, anyone could down you and it stuck. then kako broke it.
mircea_popescu: o hey let's try that other thing btw.
mircea_popescu: i mean people usually derp about how bad trolls are on the internet
mircea_popescu: there's htis wiki mentality thing
fluffypony: even after having things pointed out they like to argue minutiae and wording on the wiki
fluffypony: wywialm: don't get fussed over -otc, they throw tantrums about how to rate every few days lately
mircea_popescu: there
mircea_popescu: anyway they should chillax, plenty of people have a ton of meaningless -10s
mircea_popescu: ya well what do they know.
wywialm: i'm asking cause I was just accused in the -otc of shilling
mircea_popescu: that's a for instance. i know enough about the guy to tell you that if you're using the wot you're implicitly trusting him.
gribble: You rated user nanotube on Wed Aug 3 15:08:50 2011, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: owner of otc and all around reasonable guy.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, is the rating of 10 appropriate to reflect the fact that I operate numerisTrade account? Or should I set the rating to 1 not to prop up "total trust" (I'm aware that total trust should not be taken into account heavily, but still..)
Naphex: then it can just derive xN payments for that specific user while reusing addresses each time
random_cat_: are there any search engines that work any more? :|
wywialm: ofc, i just had to authenticate
wywialm: just authenticated
mircea_popescu: also in the news, what men are and how they work : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm0Rwc9CcAEsUfy.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: magistrate judges. they aren't judges in any sense, but they think they may opine on matters.
mircea_popescu: i wish i recalled the url of fluffypony's pdf crusher
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
mircea_popescu: myeah. since 2012, the exact sort of nonsense has been field by the exact sort of people involved in pmbs.
bawse: so im ok with this. others are not ok.
bawse: im only selling hashing power through cex in the hopes of selling 1gh for the price of 2, hoping the person signs up under my link so i can make 3% of what he buys in the future. and also initially buy 1gh with the extra $3.31 i charged. Plus PMB's are tales of people who do not know how to cash out BTC at $165 more than they are worth like I do.
jurov: ;;rate PsychoticBoy 1 one of the first coinbr users
mircea_popescu: either that or ends up with some guy investing :D
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dub: mine tells the same tale
ozbot: The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dub: you just invent the PMB
bawse: ie, the newbies
Naphex: danielpbarron: you realize you can lock the card down in lots of ways after
Naphex: you can if you want use the rng to generate a priv key, but you can just as well upload one
Naphex: danielpbarron: if i'm bored i'd roll the dice and upload it on the card using a clean linux/busybox boot ;]
random_cat_: anyone know the software (i think meteor based) developed at MIT (i think, maybe at cambridge) which allows for data protection against a hostile server operator?
Naphex: anyway regarding smart cards and rng, for bitcoin is not that much worry-some cause you can just store your private key on it and use that to sign the transactions
bawse: Thats nice of you, I really wish you the best and was touched when you accepted my apology.
Naphex: still wouldn't store 10000000 bitcoins on it, but its pretty safe and secure for the regulars
Naphex: desfire3 / rfid cards are a bit more secure imho, but there you go
artifexd: mircea_popescu: The look the same to me. WRT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660093
ThickAsThieves: kinda weird they are now getting two funding deals
ThickAsThieves: "The investment –seven months after a $25-million infusion by Sequoia Capital, BlackRock and other investors—underscores a growing appetite to fuel a fledgling but fast-growing disintermediation of conventional banking."
benkay: get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
mike_c: ooh, i see the once a month s.mpoe sale is in effect
mike_c: or wait a few days and I'll have a script that you can include in the page that will link it to the bet it is displaying with your ref address.
mike_c: link it with your ref to the homepage
mircea_popescu: well exactly. "pars imperii", and the white rose.
mircea_popescu: apparently lulzing @the us contemporary nonsense has a name and an acronym. neoreactionary!
asciilifeform: popular name for the folks who go full throttle with ms rand
mircea_popescu: i keep learning all these wonderful things.
asciilifeform: punishment for poor people << aye! drive on 'beltway', watch the prison wagens (colourful logo) and their crews, picking up rubbish.
mircea_popescu: "I use "sign" in the widest sense of the definition. It is a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition." << this may actuallty be the only case where popular use actually coincides with scientific use.
asciilifeform: (they had a special arrangement, where you'd get a 'prize' later.)
mircea_popescu: you've gotten nustso socialist over there btw. i mean wtf is this, community service ? i wouldn't have graduated.
cazalla: benkay: we have public safety warnings here in australia to warn people not to sleep on the road
mircea_popescu: Still en route, police received a third call reporting that the man had been struck by a vehicle.
mircea_popescu: While police were on their way to the scene, they received a call stating that the naked man was now doing pushups in the street.
benkay: someone got run over in this town because they were doing pushups in the middle of the street at 4 am.
bounce: then again, it'd mean campaigning. I'm not that fond of lying through my teeth.
bounce now regrets not cozying up to the local parties to get on the would be lucky free money lists
mircea_popescu: If schools cannot justify differentials in rates of punishment by race or ethnic group, they will face the loss of federal funds and be forced to undertake costly diversity training. The nation's educators can avoid sanctions by adopting a racial quota system for student discipline. So as Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, predicts, "school officials will either start discip
mircea_popescu: bounce the only few times i ever wenbt to bruxelles i used to live-in with a friend that did exactly that.
bounce: feh, people running ads to implore people to go vote for the eurocircus. the only winning move is to get one of dem euroseats, sign in for the day (for the money) then bugger off immediately.
mircea_popescu: sounds like the silicon valley of maharashtra.
benkay: actually told someone 'no, this 10k LOC won't get you all the way to your dream business, but it will get you selling crap online and that'll be enough to raise the remaining 40k to pay us to make the rest of the thing for you' recently.
mircea_popescu: this is the future.
benkay: mircea_popescu: for them to be terms of art, there'd need to be a field and for that field to have experts.
mircea_popescu: "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to harness rich women than motorcycle gangs."
ThickAsThieves: i started a rough list, please add your Q's or any other suggestions http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/#comment-16
benkay: gotta make room for the mktdroids
mircea_popescu: o look who;'s there
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i assume no coding is oinvolved in the latter
mircea_popescu: so openly admitting that im a totally unhip and out of the loop curmudgeon : da fuck's supposed to be the difference between "a hackathon" and "a start-up challenge" ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/jinyoungenglund/status/463101470821605376 << she says they neverannounced one
mircea_popescu: http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/meurthe-et-moselle/2014/04/10/le-logiciel-nanceien-qui-securise-le-bitcoin haha good one.
mircea_popescu: you can also ask ver how does it feel to have had a bunch of btc way back, and now toi have none, and just hang on to the memories of back when he could throw k's at the foundatyion.
gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion>; Ripple - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/>; NEXT: 20-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014&bots=true>
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the bitcoingirl earlier.
mircea_popescu: you can ask the ripple people about mah ripple article if you particularly wish to be annoying, but i mean to what end.
mircea_popescu: maybe ask nic cary why he's not given ms boring the title :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but looky : gavin quit, he can have his peace. asking shit out of nobodies a la hearn or that egglund chick is like... no matter what yo uasked, it's still +ev for them
fluffypony: oh MaidSafe AND BTCJam will be there! splendid
ThickAsThieves: some notables that will be in Amsterdam: Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn, Jinyoung Lee Englund (that snakey twitter liar hackathon canceller), Matonis, Marco Santori (self-proclaimed bitcoin lawyer), Jeff Garzi, BitPay, Coinbase, Nic Cary, Electrum, Armory, BitAngels, Circle, Bloomberg, NY Times, Mastercoin, Ripple (like 4 dudes!), eToro, Coindesk, ZipZap, Xapo, Erik Voorhees, Vessenes, The
mircea_popescu: you never know whether people do or don't know shit.
mircea_popescu: just asking because you recall the earlier discussion re identifying stakeholders
fluffypony: of course, part of the deal :)
mircea_popescu: so they paying you ? :D
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you missed the whole PayBee proposal! it backs up onto Bitpay, so no need for any of tha t:)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: accept arbitrary altcoins, cash out to fiat / BTC in whatever ratio they'd like
fluffypony: we put together a small board that consists of myself plus a few others that were already involved in VertPay
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what's the plan ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony all the sikrits you keep from us!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing << it was clipper. not strictly speaking a pgp competitor
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/paybee/electrum-doge/blob/master/AUTHORS o look, he's even i nthere.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: backend stuff, the VertPay guys have a dev team so some of the code's been discarded in favour of what they have, and some can be re-used
fluffypony: the n-factor is determined by block height or something
benkay: another shitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure if i have a 'current' list lolstate, i may have taken a screen shot of the lmb site before it went away, but otherwise, the 'list' of pending transfers was not saved
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I found someone doing something similar to PayBee but Vertcoin-specific, so I struck a deal with them and we've been sorting things out over the past couple of weeks
fluffypony: nahkunt: definitely, that's the plan, but it's important for us to have a definitive starting point
nahkunt: fluffypony: serious question: will you consider other altcoins than vert some day? i realise that's pipedream talk but i'm curious
fluffypony: it's the only hipster altcoin
fluffypony: nahkunt: http://www.therealaltcoin.org
lolstate: MP’s attitude is naive. When the Feds come, it wil be because there are new crypto-carreers to be bulit.
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i am in no way involved with bitcoin securities at this time, well, other than owning some personally
benkay: nahkunt: "Merchant adoption is the single biggest driver in encouraging the spread of a cryptocurrency." << sounds like a ploy to hype a shitcoin
mircea_popescu: i may be the lord of all evil but i can't compress time.
mircea_popescu: the overstock guy is a year away from sense
ThickAsThieves: the Overstock guy
ThickAsThieves: but mp so many people will be there
nahkunt: benkay: ok man... i think you're misinterpreting my tone, i wasn't really all that serious about it. i just came to ask people's opinion on https://vertpay.com — they're having an IPO soon
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves as far as im concenred, the "why are you not publishing reports @vehe" is all.
bounce: probably gonna need someone on the headset relaying irc (teamspeak?) during panels
ThickAsThieves: i'll start a doc tomorrow (i'm not entirely sober atm) but basically who are the targets, and what are the main gripes and concerns to be expressed to each
benkay: shit blew up. it's over. on to the next one.
benkay: what is there to dissect?