mircea_popescu: mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D
mircea_popescu: considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school.
mircea_popescu: i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists
fluffypony: bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game
asciilifeform: probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds.
mircea_popescu: if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand
jurov: mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it
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mircea_popescu: pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid.
pankkake: eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?"
Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/254pv8/the_bitcoin_foundation_must_remove_satoshi_as/
mircea_popescu: if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics.
mike_c: why not a 7 at the end?
asciilifeform: 'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war
asciilifeform: (note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, '
jurov: the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: ('родина' ~= motherland)
Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :))
mircea_popescu: Naphex maybe they idle here.
jurov: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to
asciilifeform: u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic'
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc.
jurov: where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself
jurov: but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point
jurov: and the rest goes where?
mircea_popescu: mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC."
jurov: just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment
jurov: no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ?
ThickAsThieves: other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes
asciilifeform: then you have 3 offices. back to laptops.
benkay: y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices.
asciilifeform: benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop)
mircea_popescu: benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world.
mike_c: oh yes, no argument there.
mircea_popescu: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there"
asciilifeform: apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation'
mircea_popescu: bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother.
mircea_popescu: the placebo benefit is fading.
mircea_popescu: and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss
mircea_popescu: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after.
ThickAsThieves: so they wanna pay someone to handle that
ThickAsThieves: but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want
ThickAsThieves: they make progress, it's just painfully slow
ThickAsThieves: other than time passing
ThickAsThieves: there's no new expense for this current iteration
benkay: but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack.
ThickAsThieves: the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway
benkay: i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro
thestringpuller: "If you want nice things you have to pay for them"
benkay: Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr
benkay: man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in.
ThickAsThieves: in the SaaS version you
ThickAsThieves: orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need
ThickAsThieves: there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software
ThickAsThieves: later came the ideas of SaaS
bounce: that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp.
ThickAsThieves: and they wanted one system
ThickAsThieves: which made dev of either one awkward
bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up".
ThickAsThieves: so they had two systems
ThickAsThieves: they had a custom thing some freelancer made
benkay: pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method.
benkay: then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds
ThickAsThieves: i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though
benkay: unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place.
benkay: it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves
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ThickAsThieves: the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training
ThickAsThieves: the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing
bounce: amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_
Naphex: i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year
pankkake: I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again
ThickAsThieves: but i think they are just outsourcers now
pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons
ThickAsThieves: they purport to be a team, a business
Naphex: i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease
ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat
ThickAsThieves: it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it
ThickAsThieves: i think we are on the backburner
Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long?
ThickAsThieves: we do have the source so far
Naphex: bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent
Naphex: <<< Bring in the heavy artillery
Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team
artifexd: Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup
artifexd: Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification.
pankkake: there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside
ThickAsThieves: it's just half-assing the requirements
ThickAsThieves: nothing new has been added to the plate
artifexd: Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent?
pankkake: sounds like it should have been the first thing to do
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new
ThickAsThieves: i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush
ThickAsThieves: maybe, it's not me calling the shots
mike_c: so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them?
ThickAsThieves: to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed?
ThickAsThieves: "am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick."
ThickAsThieves: is another
mike_c: davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland
davout: that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur
mike_c: US doesn't have a word for motherland though.
mike_c: stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday?
ThickAsThieves: "This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when.
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry
pankkake: there's no age to be a curmudgeon
thestringpuller: like what the actual fuck
thestringpuller: they are flying before my eyes
pankkake: I'm clinging to them
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fluffypony: not authed?
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ThickAsThieves: some guy that was in the logs earlier
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :)
thestringpuller: "Hold on lemme find my lighter...*lighter sound* The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg"
thestringpuller: then Big Daddy Kane
fluffypony: one that supports 4 coins at the same time!
fluffypony: and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service
bounce: what's medium.com on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site.
fluffypony: (the documentatio, I mean)
fluffypony: and once it's up other people will contribute to it
ThickAsThieves: "First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already
Naphex: everything in that article is then solved
Naphex: is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned
ThickAsThieves: whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with
ThickAsThieves: next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever"
fluffypony: and then you can comment on that new article
mike_c: then you have a post and a lively comment section!
Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit
fluffypony: ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance
ThickAsThieves: i just think it was a shot from the hip
princessnell: ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here
mike_c: and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there.
bounce: no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account
bounce: what, no "take the world by storm"?
ThickAsThieves: people can use it how they like
ThickAsThieves: there's no "point" of bitcoin
fluffypony: mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle
ThickAsThieves: princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid?
princessnell: but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way
mike_c: "Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup."
ThickAsThieves: with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss
ThickAsThieves: yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces
ThickAsThieves: maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem
fluffypony: where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account
fluffypony: but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process
fluffypony: and pay their 1%
fluffypony: they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever
fluffypony: presumably + BIP 70 in the future
fluffypony: they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address
princessnell: would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches
ThickAsThieves: users are doing it to themselves
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet
ThickAsThieves: yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you?
ThickAsThieves: but never establish their offense
bounce: "complain to the ceo of bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: "Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve."
Apocalyptic: oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick
ThickAsThieves: i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post
fluffypony: yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P
ThickAsThieves: you should set it up differently then
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread
mike_c: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks.
pankkake: it's on the bitbet hompepage
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BigBitz: well was the bet made...
mike_c: well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean?
BigBitz: did the Berkshire bet "get made" ?
mike_c: it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby.
BigBitz: however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee.
BigBitz: This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business?
bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things
fluffypony: bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P
bounce: you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough
fluffypony: I don't think I would've paid cash for them
fluffypony: we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points
fluffypony: bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago
BigBitz: was the Apple buy a cash buy?
fluffypony: they are good though
Apocalyptic: "Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has
pankkake: I wonder why there's no clothing line yet
bounce: fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop
fluffypony: the dude was smart that way
Apocalyptic: Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on
fluffypony: pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it
bounce: the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas
bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that.
fluffypony: bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision
pankkake: fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously
fluffypony: pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches
bounce: they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing
fluffypony: bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs
bounce: but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing
bounce: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim
fluffypony: dat patent: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/09/amazon_granted_patent_for_taking_photos_against_a_white_background
fluffypony: if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image