fluffypony: but in the nanny state there's a whole bunch of FinCEN crap around this (eg. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/faq060305.html)
fluffypony: outside of the US, sure
davout: the fact that "it's ripe for ML" is in no way relevant, the machine is not "dispensing cash", it could be automatically buying apples from you
davout: when you buy and sell X, you buy and sell X, as long as X is not defined as a financial instrument, (or a precious metal in some countries) there is no reason for KYC/AML to apply
fluffypony: if it pays out in fiat the legal definition of Bitcoin is irrelevant, no?
jurov: and shown in the btc account history
davout: khersonus: my point is that the legal requirements are imaginary since bitcoin is nowhere legally defined as money
jurov: <peterl> jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? << it is added monthly, usually just after the monthly fee
davout: pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." <<< wonder what legal requirements they're referring to
fluffypony: where they try dox you
fluffypony: the thread he links to is hilarious
fluffypony: so it looks like BitcoinBourse think that you've been paid to troll them
ozbot: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
Apocalyptic: nvm then
pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera."
mircea_popescu: http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html seems to be the better source actually.
mircea_popescu: "DEN alumni created other Internet sites including suicide girls"
mircea_popescu: Digital Entertainment Network happens to be the bankrupt venture of the brock pierce guy who is the purported owner that was going to buy the techno music brand some kid was pitching earlier in chan
mircea_popescu: "There is a convergence between WeHo pedos; some might recall the 1998 web series Chad's World which was essentially a bunch of 30-something pedos creating a project to lure boys to Hollywood with promises of becoming stars in exchange for "work" they would do while living with various members of this group of 30-something pedos. "
pigeons: just explosives in the mail
pigeons: apparently there was some sort of recording that got an indictment, and "too many little boys for everything to be right", but not enough evidence to move forward after that
Apocalyptic: then Kelticfox is wrong
Apocalyptic: guys begin to realize what is the foundation about
Apocalyptic: <Kelticfox> The Foundation really doesnt give a fuck about BTC does it?
Apocalyptic: Kelticfox> interesting... the person trying to buy Gox (and just added to the Foundation) is a convicted child molester
mircea_popescu: kinda why poor people are so universally despised : they say that which they figure may best serve.
mircea_popescu: the lower class CLAIMS my arrogance is the problem. but this is merely what they imagine would make a convincing scapegoat.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit // well that's a first
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mircea_popescu: hopefully the x's anonymize enough.
davout: mircea_popescu: "then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----" <<< pastie or it didn't happen
bounce: every time I look at sun hardware it strikes me that oracle hates their customers. so. much.
mircea_popescu: then you're O.O
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Diablo-D3: which one is the japanese princess moron?
Diablo-D3 is glad he quit the bitcoin fake company ipo drama storm shit
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see, they know they really shouldn't have that coin. so they hope that whoever took it from them is giving it a nice home
kakobrekla: >>That would be great. I hope Ukyo disclose more info in the portal. I remember that Ukyo mentioned there's a new business would be kickstarted this month?
kakobrekla: >Ukyo can you explain why you havent payed any dividend at all after the closure of Bitfunder ? Are you using the coins to turn them into more, like turning 1 btc into 1.1 btc every month or something ?
mircea_popescu: while the philosophy involved may be arguable, i'm pretty sure that sales of books via ipads and whatnot are counted as ipad revenue, not "books" revenue
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and srsly push fdor it cause the guild is huge and i could defo need some help with organising shit
cazalla: never played that either
ThickAsThieves: i was watching the videos
ThickAsThieves: “Grand Theft Auto V not only hit $1 billion in sales faster than the fastest-grossing videogame, it beat the three biggest film launches of all time by 16 days.”
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ThickAsThieves: In 2012, the global movie production and distribution industry is projected to generate revenue of $126.8 billion
ThickAsThieves: the total value of the global video game industry is projected to be $78.5 billion for 2012.
ThickAsThieves: the ruthlessness of idits
mircea_popescu: 50%+1 of the population would do fine in "life", if only life was... the story of rapunzel.
mircea_popescu: so... the lower class brain is now... adapted to this counterfactual reality.
mircea_popescu: in fiction, there's a scenario and a director, and they conspire to alter reality a certain way.
mircea_popescu: these days most of the brains input for the lower classes is fiction, ie, entertainment.
mircea_popescu: these are very different, even if cyberneticists keep wanting to represent the brain as a computor.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the problem is fucking deeper than that. see, the brain is not made to work, it's made to adapt.
mircea_popescu: "Gabbie Brown @Gabbiebrown · 5h Wishing that everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my life." << check it out, i'm following the only unique snowflake of brilliant potence on twitter. nyah.
ThickAsThieves: skinnkavaj, if you just lurk here for a few mos, you'll be miles ahead of the forum
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj no, because you eschew the actual discussion in favour of ridoinkulous formalisms.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's the 8ball say about when will the last noob try badgering you about nonsense ?
fluffypony: asking someone for their opinion on a specific issue is fine
skinnkavaj: About the companies
mircea_popescu: in small enough qty, filth is actually helpful for the healthy body
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess the one true gain from this discussion is a lesson as to how downing people may be bad for debate and the marketplace of ideas.
mircea_popescu: he has this "i do not see" device from socialist training in what passes for education these days, and he knows he's supposed to apply it selectively,
mircea_popescu: he further does not see why what gribble says should be controlling.
fluffypony: "[14:43:24] +gribble: The answer is a resounding no."
ThickAsThieves: there.
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
skinnkavaj: They could have split up
skinnkavaj: They sell chips?
mircea_popescu: "Leading toilet maker Toto refers to itself as the Apple of toilet tech." mwahaha
ThickAsThieves: then
skinnkavaj: They told that Rockminer would have to buy chips from Asicminer at the same price as everyone else
ThickAsThieves: their farm maxed at like 25TH or some shit
mircea_popescu: i am coming to this theory that there are two types of people in the world : the ones whose brain is a train engine, and the ones whose brain is a combustion engine. the former can be readily ideintified by the fact that their mental processes move on tracks, no matter the engine's horsepower.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: They did before?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: "all the board cares about is their own franchises" Like what franchises?
fluffypony: and Rockminer makes the money
ThickAsThieves: all the board cares about is their own franchises, which are all going into the red right about now
fluffypony: so they operate ASICMINER as a zero-sum game
mircea_popescu: so is this a purely academic discussion then ?
ThickAsThieves: they wont split proceeds
mircea_popescu: more's the point, if they doi produce the best batch on the market again, why would they want to split the proceeds with you ?
skinnkavaj: Delivering 102 petahash over the next 3 months
ThickAsThieves: isnt this batch already barely on par with the market?
ThickAsThieves: it's that i dont see how owning stock would be worth it even if they did
ThickAsThieves: it's not that i dont think they "might" make gen3 or whatever
mircea_popescu: and you're mostly in the 2nd class.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the point being that we sometimes get what we want, and sometimes don't get what we want.
skinnkavaj: Why do you not think the could manage to produce a 3gen chip
mircea_popescu: do you get the idea or do you need a 2nd dunking ?
skinnkavaj: I don't see why they couldn't make better chips than before
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: According to latest questions it seems that they are on track on delivering 102 petahash to the network in 3 months
mircea_popescu: moving your virtual office from us to uk to avoid the impending doom is also not NORMAL
ThickAsThieves: they probably werent granted shit
ThickAsThieves: then had to deal with pissant forum investors
ThickAsThieves: FC and the crew made millions on millions last year
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit that perhaps you did not actually read the link.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Read your link, ok so they made some mistakes with exchanges.. But I couldn't care less about that, what matters is that friedcat seems to be a really good asic engineer
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style << yeah, but then they'll be "offended" and not answer anyway
ThickAsThieves: those were other Q's
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? << once you sent the q's privately, they can already do that.
ThickAsThieves: blood in the steets is blood on your hands
mircea_popescu: what's this "buy stocks when everyone is selling them" strat netted you so far ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all <<< ahahaha epic
skinnkavaj: I love to buy stocks when everyone is selling them
ozbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << there it is skinnkavaj
ThickAsThieves: go add up those fees over the lifetime
skinnkavaj: But why? Didn't they make a you some money with 5% management fee?
ThickAsThieves: leaving the board was automatic once i no longer represented 5000 shares
ThickAsThieves: technically ditching the AM-PTs is what i did
mircea_popescu: "It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." <<< o you log, that has such marvels & many pleasure in it!
mircea_popescu: maybe you should ask them.
fluffypony: and the shipping options have shipping timelines on each option
fluffypony: which we do, they have to choose a shipping option during checkout (or when viewing their cart)
fluffypony: which apparently implies you are in the US of A
fluffypony: but we have a .com and the default currency is USD
ThickAsThieves: and solicit donations without noting their ability to be tax deductible
ThickAsThieves: i like how they hint at being a nonprofit through the wording in their letters and bylaws
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so then publish open questions that you won't ask
ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers?
chetty: ThickAsThieves, maybe publish them as open questions?
ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all
ThickAsThieves: "We’re so delighted to be able to offer a complimentary annual individual membership to the foundation for all registered attendees."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell benkay not sure if this relevant at all to what you guys are encountering wrt the 4096 bit entropy problem - https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: bounce: if you're referring to karpy i believe he fattened there
davout: "It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves dat rap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0FSla2-yV0 (original without the beat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7ITjpyed4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m46s )
benkay: jurov are you off for the weekend again?
fluffypony: "Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ;;later tell mod6 It looks like pitythepool has the current network hashrate in their json stats. I don't know the source or how it is calculated, but it may be easier for you to grab it from there than calculate it. Less accurate, but easier.
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decimation: ah well that explains things then
decimation: apparently you are only allowed to be on the board of a business if you are sufficiently socialist
princessnell: the dropbox ceo stood his ground i think
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be it then.
decimation: donno. la wik says he's polishing the dropbox turd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they were actually sort-of trying to get the mechanical calculator going
asciilifeform: imagine if 'la serenissima', old venice, had... a computer. what part of what we put up with, would they tolerate.
decimation: there is wisdom in this
decimation: if Guido Van Rossum can be ignored by everyone, how much easier would it be to ignore the bitcoin devs?
asciilifeform: perhaps after 'mad max', when a computer is no longer a cheap widget - but a _place_ - like the old church organs - people will give a fuck whether they work correctly
asciilifeform: 'but they say i'm mad'
asciilifeform: perhaps the only future.
mircea_popescu: decimation> 5 years later no one has jumped << wait, the core devs of python, nobody gave a shit about them ?!
decimation: Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip
asciilifeform: it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box
asciilifeform: except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds
asciilifeform: linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972.
decimation: Linus would be nobility in another century
decimation: What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken
decimation: reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so.
asciilifeform: decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage
decimation: several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better"
decimation: I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing
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asciilifeform: the familiar science fiction staple, of savages running across a cache of 'technology of the ancients' which still works, and going wild - that's reality.
ThickAsThieves: what's the mpex rift shard?
decimation: yep. note how "late" the f35 is
asciilifeform: (the famous 'u2' airplane - still flies. etc)
asciilifeform: most of the widgets that actually sail, fly, explode, presently in the field - are '80s designs at the core - at the very latest.
mircea_popescu: so in the end, this great experiment where congress is in the business of pork, the administration is into masturbation and the country is run by laws not men
asciilifeform: if you notice that the pay keeps coming regardless - why work.
decimation: congress was all about it, because they could hang all kinds of other "social good" on the procurement process
asciilifeform: (see the ill-fated airplane, etc.)
asciilifeform: and after that, with the very idea of shipping anything
asciilifeform: some time soon after, they realized that they can also dispense with the need to ship products that work
decimation: well, I think the best explanation is that the defense companies realized they could tell gov't employees what to do (via congress) rather than otherwise
asciilifeform: re: DoD standards, vdhl - at one point, vendors were required to provide full design - and - guarantee production to a certain date, far in the future
asciilifeform: re: wireless card firmware - i suspect that when someone bothers to audit the blobs - with an eye to searching for creepy crawlies, rather than the customary functionality reverse-eng. - plenty will turn up.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. << this is very true. perhaps the last govt push for sanity in any field.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the books. my backlog contains junk like 'intro to Lie algebras,' etc
decimation: in the future apple will sell the iGenuflect - you kneel prostrate in front of your laptop in memory of Steve, and it will grant you 1 hour of programming time
asciilifeform: decimation: phun phact. it is traditionally illegal in the u.s. to sell a laptop with 100% documented chips.
asciilifeform: the forced mouse use is an especially cruel torment on a portable.
decimation: ugg and in Mavericks they ditched X11 - you have to download some open source "Xquartz" project to make it work
decimation: there's a business opportunity for some up-and-coming Chinese vendor to make inroads in the US market: make a repairable Unix "workstation" laptop
asciilifeform: i rip them out and replace with cheap ssd (yeah they won't last a decade, but a laptop should be considered expendable anyway)
decimation: yeah that's true, I have a couple 08-09 laptops. I find they eat spinning platter hard drives for some reason
asciilifeform: (where you had to use a 'spudger' and remove layer upon layer just to access the disk)
asciilifeform: vs. the 'tin can' designs from before
asciilifeform: actually the portables circa '08 and up open easily
decimation: no headache. just keep paying $2k per year for the latest widget and you are supported
decimation: yeah this is pretty much the case. From what I can tell, most real engineering work is either done on old windows boxes (for engineering crapware) and Macbooks
decimation: these days you get the feeling that there's nobody home at the levels of gov't that could "do something" about the complete transfer of the electronics industry to china et. al.
decimation: what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. They saw the writing on the wall w.r.t. Asian manufacturing, and pushed for things like VHDL and whatnot to try to keep industry here, which succeeded to some degree
asciilifeform: today, apple stands entirely alone there.
asciilifeform: laptop is the one place where os and hardware really must be build under one roof
asciilifeform: decimation: the real crying shame is that the sun & alpha laptops made by tadpole inc. and others never took off
decimation: it wasn't that they were against doing so, it was just that they had 30 years of legal baggage and copyright to worry about
asciilifeform: that would've been antithetical to the doctrine of 'we own the precious commercial rights to at&t unix, we must use them'
decimation: they could have "embraced and extended" linux
decimation: Of course, the custom unix makers were also "unable to compete" with Intel cpus, due to the fact that they were fat and bloated from dumb money from gov't and big business
decimation: Computing was taken from the hands of the engineers who actually computed with computers, and suddenly became the realm of MS crapware. The whining of the enigneers was ignored, generally.
decimation: I heard a theory about this once. In the 90's, most business middle-managment went from being innocent of computers to suddenly owning a winblows box
decimation: asciilifeform: [apple] also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation << this is very true
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nubbins`: so here's what we've been working on the past couple weeks
mircea_popescu: dude, book me already. i have > 500 books i never had the time to read.
mircea_popescu: "Turning over a new leaf: Italian prisoners will get their sentences reduced by three days for every book they read while in jail"
mircea_popescu: like the best bait to date
TheNewDeal: tim-tams i told you I would sponsor 5$ worth for a middle finger dedicated to the COO of butterfly labs
jurov: artifexd: the rest credited
artifexd: The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b
artifexd: The order # in coinbr is 3985
artifexd: So, is there a policy about rounding deposits?
artifexd: But the management fee came out 3 days later.