BingoBoingo: Ah, Phin are you in the bitcoin-otc WoT yet?
Phinnaeus: Look at the bottom of this page: http://web.archive.org/web/20040324225938/http://ff.st/fr/ He still keeps in contact with Mark Karpeles
Phinnaeus: Does the name Florian Gasquez ring a bell for anybody here?
Phinnaeus: Somebody else from the forum is in Argentina, if I'm not mistaken.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: I've moved away from the forum in favor of it after having only a few hours playing with it previously
BingoBoingo: MP just moved to Argentina and is busy eating all the steak he can
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Are you finally here, away from the forum?
BingoBoingo: So. Meterologists are supposing a derechero is possible here in 7-12 hours. If I go silent after that time for a while cause is more likely power outage than rectotherm.
Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think it's possible to synthesize VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist?
assbot: [Cryptostocks]JDBIF another scammer that claims to have lost funds | Bitcointa.lk
moiety: i'll make you shortbread if you ever get in the WoT Vexual :]
asciilifeform: if successful cold-call, might be forgiven, 'treason prospers for the reason that if it prospers none dare call it treason...' etc
asciilifeform: mike_c: the worst except for the alternatives << i sometimes use 'yandex.' it's encrusted with 1990s-style pestilential ad crapola, but mostly works.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understatement. practically the only participant whose product works 'as printed on the crate'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'paid users in virtual currency when they retweeted promotional material on Twitter.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, moiety: i didn't know vorhees might've been a spammer. is the accusation true?
asciilifeform: i sort of suspect that google tries to feed people their own shit deliberately - by ip block if possible, or by relational inference of some form if not
asciilifeform: surely i'm not the only person to post a picture of dec alpha.
asciilifeform: and then had a colleague look up 'dec alpha' machine, in same search, and he got... an old post of mine.
gribble: Schneier on Security: Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/rubber_hose_cry.html>; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061>; Cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis>
mike_c: ;;google rectothermal cryptanalysis
assbot: Rubber-hose cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: wait, "back then"?
bloctoc: I think 100 million is all the doge
mike_c: that is still impossible. that would have been, what, ALL the btc?
nubbins`: things were different back then
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not sure, but I think I just changed the text
nubbins`: i'll never give them money now
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: yeah, they are writing out their possibility of being in my WoT with the inane engineering of their paywall
bloctoc: A number of Bitcoin enthusiasts have been drawn to trading in shares of virtual currency companies, or other financial instruments such as Bitcoin derivatives, traded in Bitcoin on unregulated websites. MPex, the Romanian exchange where SatoshiDice used to trade, currently lists four stocks, one fund and five derivatives for trading.
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bloctoc: that may change. FT didn't mention the price or say btc is tulip, ponzi, scam. They're usually pretty abusive.
BingoBoingo: They aren't in my WoT
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Not can't afford. Can't conscience sending them money.
bloctoc: Financial Times has a paragraph today on mpex, alongside the SEC story on Erik Vorhees.
BingoBoingo remembers the project as "present what three vendors have in the way of tools for advancing technology education"
nubbins`: well, you're one upvote closer to the front page
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You're welcome. I mean the summaries suck when the ignore the SEC's endorsement of MPEx in the actual filing.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice
BingoBoingo: This was a crowd of the sort where "technology"=="social media"
moiety: you get modern usb ones :o i think the older ones look nicer though.definitely one for the collection
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the VM's name was one of the library school classes, so maybe I did the loosening during a presentation in a technology class.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists << that might've been 'non-apple's mistake'
asciilifeform: moiety: it's rare enough that there is no ready source for it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that time quite a while back when, maybe it was accident on your part, but you loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists with your hypercard post.
asciilifeform: or the myriad 'tame' seekoority blogs, which studiously avoid mention of nsa, etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: there's most certainly benefit derived from twitter and west nile isn't the half of it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize.
asciilifeform: taking joy in having 'strong social media presence' would be rather like rejoicing in living next to a swamp, to have 'strong mosquito presence'
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You seem to have the stronger social media presence
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Thanks. Got to beat Coindesk to the aggragators
asciilifeform: at some point i'll get around to selling the actual microwriter
asciilifeform: moiety: the emulator is a very ragged toy. the actual gadget works considerably better.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Help spread the love http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3602771
asciilifeform: i'd assume that a 'mule' gets an (unarmed) 'helper,' who ensures that he can't cough up the payload ahead of schedule.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Assuming they don't want library books... Probably going to get drafted as a drug mule.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the textbook 'rectothermal cryptoanalysis' of '90s russia, the purpose of the soldering iron was typically to help the 'patient'... 'remember' not only the locations of hidden goodies, but also places where he might yet be able to borrow/steal.
BingoBoingo: I'd suck if they sent me back to 'Murica full of cocaine baloons
moiety: asciilifeform: there's more music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAP0h9Yl_hc // also, I have been playing with the microwriter emulator :D
asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll have to manage to keep a thick stench of cigarettes and booze sweat through the Darien.
asciilifeform: my organs aren't the sort to fetch top dollar << the 'i own just the shirt on my back' defense worked pretty well historically. if the enemy finds it convincing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There was this Simpsons episode back in the day where it was revealed the elderly hero had the gift of immortality to the sheer number of terminal diseases he had forming a sort of homeostasis sustaining him.
asciilifeform: deterrence weapon naturally doesn't make you immortal - the best possible use of it is to cool the enthusiasm of folks who'd like to hasten the inevitable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think at that point you have to play the Hannibal card and try purchasing organs yourself.
jurov: or slipping up home in the bathroom
asciilifeform: think of how funny it'd be, setting up elaborate dead man switch, then captured by a fellow who just wants to sell your organs.
jurov: i'm not sure they'll understand fine points of such complicated strategy as "i die, money goes to cia"
jurov: BingoBoingo you're preparing for the PARC or whatever colombia revolutionary movement encounter?
asciilifeform automatically recalls an ancient sf story about a very unlucky immortal fellow, who goes from dungeon to dungeon, ending up at torquemada's, the gestapo, on and on...
gribble: Dead Hand (nuclear war) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_(nuclear_war)>; Dead Hand - Zelda Wiki: <http://zeldawiki.org/Dead_Hand>; Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine - Wired: <http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all>
asciilifeform: there's definitely room for a 'dead hand' service/product.
BingoBoingo: You die, coins go to party inquisitor finds despicable. Simply hope the CIA isn't a frenemy of theirs and wants to fund them.
asciilifeform: [insert obligatory barb at the french here]
asciilifeform: the fine art of surrender.
jurov: turnig yourself in preventively to the right party
asciilifeform: the 'only winning move,' of course, is 'not to play' - reducing your chances of ending up in that position in the first place, through convincing deterrent (or quick legs!)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reasonable option seems to be dead man switch sends the coins to Mugabe
asciilifeform: is it to persuade him to turn you loose? to transfer your coin to your fellow partizans asap, because you are certain to perish anyway? some other goal?
moiety: BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to remember you have blog too nao. << it's not mine though, I might start one, i'm seeing more things all the time i'd like to collate together
asciilifeform: [insert standard discussion of the game theory of nuclear war by schelling & friends here.]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even if that isn't what's actually done, that may be the best thing to have people believe is being done.
asciilifeform: (if you actually want to do this: have multiple allies, shamir-split a key, then set 'dead man switch' that broadcasts the magic tx if you fail to reset it for x days, etc)
asciilifeform: actually, one possible technological countermeasure is: to carry around some gizmo that will transmit a transaction moving your coin to a trusted confederate, when the pin is pulled.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tooth must be dangerously fragile though, so one can have a standoff end with a swift movement of the tongue.
asciilifeform: if herr torquemada is working on you, your wallet is lost, regardless of what kind (only real countermeasure is cyanide tooth or the like.)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me like the physical hiding place approach suffers from the same problems as 'brainwallet.'
BingoBoingo: New risks of loss are introduced, but... The scenario in which it would be useful is different as well.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the typical rectothermal session involves separation from one's worldly goods
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems that way. I dunno why properly concealed physically stored private key could not be a viable option for the post-rectothermal healthcare fund.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not unlike the psychology of the folks who buy books on 'how to hide things'
dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not too sure about it either. I like the idea that they mean an intruder would have to scour my junk in addition to the computing and electronic equipment. People who pay for manufactered solutions and their reasoning elludes me. Maybe the husk of a Cascius has some collectible value?
asciilifeform: it inescapably reminds me of the 1890s autos with reins
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i don't really get the fixation with 'physical bitcoins.' care to try explaining ?
asciilifeform: if they actually fit a python in 2kb, that's pretty neat.
asciilifeform: (anyone who read the entire manual, please correct me if i am mistaken)
asciilifeform: the python linked earlier (diametric?) isn't a proper python, where the interpreter is available at run time, but, as i understand, a simple batch-mode compiler.
jurov: python isn't either
asciilifeform: lisp on a microcontroller that isn't optimized for high-level languages (a la the greenarrays forth chip) isn't much fun. it's like going back to the mid-80s, when microcomputer owners justifiably scoffed at 'slow' languages
asciilifeform: jurov: clisp builds on arm. but sbcl doesn't (the latter has no interpreter mode, it has a high quality optimizing - real time - compiler on x86 and a few other archs.)
asciilifeform: 'real' microcontrollers are far more interesting. the proliferation of the cheap arm boards is really because today's hobbyists piss their pants at the thought of learning asm
asciilifeform: still quite useless - they all have ridiculously slow bus
asciilifeform: jurov: i've a small collection of various cheapo 'arm' boards, just like everyone. the 'pi' collects dust. did recently get openbsd running on another one (beagle?) recently.
asciilifeform: jurov: the 'pi' would be neat if it actually... worked. (entirely aside from the evil closed blob running at all times.) try, for instance, using ethernet and usb at full throttle on your unit, see what happens.
moiety: but i did realise i'm probably not within their hours now, will try again tomorrow
moiety: D; they won't answer to meeeee
BingoBoingo: ^ The story of -assets
assbot: If DARPA had insurgents fire anti-tank weapons at the autonomous vehicles in their land challenge, it would give them an idea about /hashtag/cyber?src=hash.
BingoBoingo: And the last two days "No" on Bastille Day got very dangerous again.
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BingoBoingo: moiety: When your phone call is over http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-problem-with-apple/ has Manul
jurov: paper wallet shouldn't be easy to lose either
BingoBoingo: jurov: One possibility. Other is maybe a controlled form of lost
jurov: they were like "but i must do it on piiii"
BingoBoingo: They get buried under large machines.
jurov: BingoBoingo: you prolly don't understand the appeal of such tiny machines
BingoBoingo: diametric: Why did they just go for a board and not a workstation?
diametric: jurov: http://micropython.org/ re: the conversation yesterday. is only there had been a lisp machine like this
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/
fluffypony: pankkake: I'll have you know, it was created by a CNBC contributor, so therefore.
BingoBoingo: Also feel free to discuss any mutual dislike you and the corresponding party might share about Kansas (Quantrill should have burned it all).
BingoBoingo: moiety: Tell them you are looking forward to football this season and finish with a chant of M-I-Z. They should respond with Z-O-U. If they don't offer that response it is a reportable offense.
jurov: oh and if they know where else one can invest bitcoins in accord to all regulations and proper
jurov: if they start to be chatty, feel free :)
Naphex: you guys want to hear something funny, youtube is probably the best place to advertise to engage bitcoin related / seeking audience ;o
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pankkake: well, it's the obvious. altcoiners want to be early adopters
Naphex: and too make the market available for bigger guys
fluffypony: "I can’t tell if the altcoin people are trying to deliberately scam people or just not thinking ahead to the logical conclusions of these schemes. They’re trying to hit another bubble. They regret not buying Bitcoin when they could have. So they want to replay it. It’s like replaying a childhood trauma to overcome it but you just make it worse."
Naphex: why do they care about your twitter?
diametric: I can get myself another 2K satoshis if I allow them these simple permissions to my Twitter: http://i.imgur.com/N6NmeAg.png
Naphex: did they deliver?
diametric: I should say I preordered the Xapo debit card wallet product.
diametric: The "Vault", yeah.
BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today.
Naphex: and will have insanely higher reliability /performance then any cloud delivery
Naphex: the cost of that should be small enough for any decently running bussiness to aford
Naphex: thats probably enough free space to scale for another 3 years
mike_c: he didn't even have to kick in for the fine.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the logs. I'm catching up on. Looks like MP isn't getting extradited over S.DICE after all.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: "you'll notice the gorgeous translucency on this window"
moiety: :D i may need a bit of help from asciilifeform buti have a feeling it says "pet the OS, bitch"
moiety: fluffypony: http://www.macpages.ru/sites/default/files/img02/macosxsnowleorapd.jpg i think we can all see this is the way forward for mac people?
mike_c: cool. thanks. didn't there used to be a way to get 30day vol?
mod6: mike_c: I'll add that to the list of stuff. I'll let you know.
mod6: mike_c: yeah, i think that was the reasoning.
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Basically, taking the "micro cloud" concept and adding a dash of shop class. Then when it's down to one functioning board and/or disk replacing the unit.
BingoBoingo: xmj: Why would adding happen at the same data center. "Rats Nest" is a perfectly defensible infrastructure strategy.
Naphex: is this the whole expensive thinking discussion again?
xmj: BingoBoingo: seriously. i'm sure it's cheaper to have the server sent to the datacenter and hooked up by a technician
xmj: yeah, that's what you do the first time..
BingoBoingo: xmj: You drive there yourself so you can see if the place is somewhere you can comfortably park a server.
xmj: why would you drive to the colo rack :p
BingoBoingo: xmj: Well, it is a little hard to weld a VPS shut before you drive it to the colo rack.
xmj: I'm describing my experience with startups, and they do not care one iot about buying hardware if they can just rent/lease
xmj: mutual plonking, then..
assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes
midnightmagic: our discussion centred on how you thought he was using a coinjoin'd transaction (re: "I taint the rich!" bitcointalk thread) to steal peoples' money or use the transaction as a historical proof that he had "access" to it in some form and thereby mislead less enlightened people for the purposes of loans or business shenanigans.
thestringpuller: fluffypony: usagi thinks I'm shit talking him here when all I'm doing is stating the obvious
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: is there anything you can't buy in russia
moiety: ah thanks jurov, i'm reading backwards, which hasn't turned out to be the best plan
moiety: jurov: 1. can i skip the personal drive and just have a manul instead? 2. was it me you were looking for earlier?
benkay: <jurov> let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers // sign my poor ass up
jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers
mike_c: i don't know why everyone is so worried about women in bitcoin. the number of foreigners in bitcoin seems like a much bigger problem.
moiety is reading the log btw
Naphex: soo the sec investigators were named
jurov: wait what, sec officially posted the communique to reddit?
fluffypony: I think it's quite funny that a subreddit will end up becoming the center of the new financial reality. In a couple of years we'll have goldman sachs execs making sure to post all their bitcoin related announcements here. ;)"
assbot: Quick statement on the SEC - Erik Voorhees : Bitcoin
princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all.
pankkake: I had no idea chetty was a bitcoin woman until a few weeks ago, which is how things should usually be on the internet
nubbins`: i still think calling yourself "the bitcoin wife" is incredibly self-deprecating
princessnell: pankkake there's a whole cottage industry of bitcoin lady #brands
bitstein: There is "truebitcoingirl" - https://twitter.com/truebitcoingirl . princessnell is a phony.
princessnell: nubbins' the gist of that piece is clickbait + feels
TomServo: thebitcoinwife.com
pankkake: other petes are forbidden from bitcoining
TomServo: wasn't there a wife too?
pankkake: well there is only one bitcoinpete
pankkake: there is only one bitcoin woman?
bitstein: My issue is even if we were to assume that to be true, whining about it on Twitter and on blogs does nothing to solve the problem. If you want to address that, write software that makes Bitcoin easier to use and accessible to more people. If you can't code, learn a language and help translate. Essentially, do anything *but* whine on Twitter and your blog.
chetty: well women take absolute privilege - to never take responsibility and blame all on being women, or so they think
benkay: i have clients. they have applications and no employees running the applications. they have their own aws account, and their code gets provisioned onto that.
nubbins`: i think the gist of that piece is "it behooves us all to get as many people as possible into bitcoin"
nubbins`: "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures."
nubbins`: "hey guys, all i have is like 60k bitcoins... can i pay with these?"
chetty: money order, made payable to the Securities and Exchange Commission and hand
chetty: The shares of SatoshiDICE were listed on MPEx, a
assbot: The worst thing is there's actually a case to be made. But this is extraordinarily ignorant. http://t.co/BCWxgWZKLp /ARStrasser /Antiwar2
nubbins`: "The shares were listed on an entity known as the Global Bitcoin Stock Exchange (“GLBSE”), which purported to run a Bitcoin stock exchange."
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bitcoinpete: fluffypony: well, i just figured that with all the private jets...
chetty: darn pdfs, anyway thats the SEC filing on Eric
TomServo: What kind of retarded clipboard you runnin' over there?
chetty: lion) exceeded the total USD amount raised
fluffypony: And here we are; few years later, the blocks are getting full and the only solution the bitcoin core lead dev has to address it, is still the same: we must increase the block size! "
fluffypony: "You wasted two years of time to develop this useless feature, while there were so much more important issues to address in the bitcoin software.
assbot: Myth: the Payment Protocol is bad for privacy
nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard
nubbins`: more lose in the sense of "we paid a bunch of shitbags their wages for doing pointless work, and they blew their money on nail painting and chicken bowls"
nubbins`: well, not lose in the sense of "we can't find it"
chetty: sec can't lose money, they just get more of yours
nubbins`: maybe dr foreskin is their supervisor?
nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction"
nubbins`: how did they come to $35k?
nubbins`: who the fuck knows?