davout: - they wisen up
davout: - there's nothing left to rape
davout: people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens
pankkake: there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer
Naphex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.0 mining drama in Romanian community, undelivered orders the usual. Google translate might help / http://blackminer.com/ the mining equipment builders from .ro
Naphex: probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action
Naphex: and build their equipment or sell stock
davout: "My Father's house has many rooms"
davout: no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service
Naphex: while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure
Naphex: so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours
Naphex: as they ban torrent apps a well
Naphex: they will prolly ban p2p aps
davout: their issue was "facilitating transmission"
davout: their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too
davout: that doesn't change the point
pankkake: * Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud
assbot: CoinJar for iPhone on the App Store on iTunes
davout: so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story
davout: pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in
dub: just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile
davout: pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way
pankkake: it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing
pankkake: with the worst window management ever
davout: jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed
davout: dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix
dub: thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users
adrrr: pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D
kakobrekla: hahaha, they list: 1. Prettier Icons:
pankkake: "Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function?
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davout: the sec will have to go feck itself eventually
davout: for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation
davout: sure, but they all need to be accounted for
Naphex: but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments
Naphex: well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue.
davout: well, look at the trading for example
davout: there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment
Naphex: see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app?
davout: it's not built in to the app
Naphex: they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well
Naphex: and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them
Naphex: exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency
Naphex: and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets
Naphex: there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start
xmj: no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them.
Naphex: then interlink
Naphex: <+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage <<
Naphex: i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions
xmj: By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython.
Naphex: then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers
davout: api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc
fluffypony: I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday
davout: for the
davout: Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage
davout: the money flows are managed in a unified process
davout: also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared
davout: i like the idea of having a single app to maintain
Naphex: but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways
Naphex: so atleast they share same wallet/account
davout: you don't do the exchanging ?
Naphex: well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest
Naphex: then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging
davout: the interlink code could count as clutter as well
Naphex: i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter
davout: you mean on the front page ?
Naphex: won't it clutter up with all the merchant features?
Naphex: you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform?
davout: since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting
davout: it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D
fluffypony: davout: how's the rebranding goign?
Naphex: also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one
davout: Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently
Naphex: interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd
fluffypony: asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing?
BingoBoingo: I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear
assbot: If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder.
Vexual: thats the one with tina turner?
BingoBoingo: Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis
BingoBoingo: Just like The resident
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah...
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kakobrekla: the world is insane.
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Vexual: afrikaans love them some z
asciilifeform: the saudis got sa
dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for.
asciilifeform: (unfortunately with it will fail public utilities, police, etc. so we only learn the price of a 'mad max' house, vs. what presently exists.)
asciilifeform: we will discover the actual market price of american house if and when the artificial system for keeping 100,000s of them permanently vacant and off the market were to fail.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i pay roughly 2x in rent what the box i'm in would cost, monthly, if 'bought'
BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only answer is, nothing within driving distance employs folks who could afford the land tax.
asciilifeform: Vexual: see the supply cartel discussion above
Vexual: ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns
asciilifeform: the actual 'free market' price of a u.s. suburban house, if none of this were happening, is probably close to $10k (number pulled from my arse)
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-plan-to-stop-the-brick-by-brick-demolition-of/article_3f3265cf-9df9-5120-a62e-650f49b594e4.html
asciilifeform: if the locals wake up to the idea of squatting peacefully in the houses instead of tearing them apart, the 'owners' will order the burning.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the right locals government need not do burning, merely look the other way. Market does the burning http://preservationresearch.com/news-2/brick-theft-in-north-st-louis-a-preservation-crisis/
moiety: schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point being, a liveable house, as popularly imagined in usa, will never cost what laptop, or even car, costs - if the authorities have to burn 99% of them to maintain this condition, they will.
kakobrekla: i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs.
Vexual: you repurposing the word nutrient ?
assbot: The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food
Vexual: don't get much for your money in the old usa tho
asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high
assbot: A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/a-farm-in-the-city-of-st-louis-some-neighbors/article_41320fe2-66af-50a0-81da-cd47b9366895.html
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture"
BingoBoingo: In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions
BingoBoingo: Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York
asciilifeform: << mega-lol. the 'zombies' rot so that prices can stay put.
asciilifeform: 'Both Dahlberg and Barrett say they don't understand why banks allow the problem to proliferate. As they see it, it's in the bank's best interests to rid itself of the property.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game
moiety: on the*
asciilifeform wonders if the cops will make the gurlz play 'prisoner's dilemma' if it cannot be proven which one stabbed
moiety: these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister
BingoBoingo: Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon.
moiety: they are too busy being hip
moiety: hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab
BingoBoingo: What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence
moiety: lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point]
asciilifeform: '...was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both' << interesting
asciilifeform is rather behind culturally, never heard of this
moiety: there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real
Vexual: and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone
Vexual: i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins`
nubbins`: and skip the ER
nubbins`: i'm just in the basement smoking ;(
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BingoBoingo: I mean by Aristotle Athen was just that place Macedonians went for easy boys to rape.
nubbins`: ooh, that's gonna hurt the defence's case
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I mean what is the problem with declaring him the Socrates of 20th Century drugging?
BingoBoingo: What was wrong with the late Hunter S Thompson?
Vexual: the vice article hints at a post humous book
nubbins`: yeh, guy went to the moon long before btc did
Vexual: improve dmt, leave the coil for good
decimation: well, the trouble is that even if the code in the repository is good, the user downloads the crypto every time he goes to gmail
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asciilifeform: decimation: at this point, it seems reasonable to think of google et al. as 'poisoned tree' and their crypto not worth the effort to audit.
decimation: it appers the google js crypto supports djb's 255 19 curve, I don't know javascript well enough to figure out what is set for the default
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course they are. Question is why media outlet proceeds as though they aren't...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of the described sensations are documented side effects.
nubbins`: i found it amusing that LSD was the only drug he didn't include trip reports for, on account of there being so many thousands in the literature already
asciilifeform: the events took place long before my time, so story is to be taken with grain of salt.
asciilifeform: none of whom wanted the liability
asciilifeform: -- story interlude -- a lab i once worked in used to house such an experimenter. he was eventually caught in diverting his stash to the black market, and imprisoned. the next guy inherited a few kg of coke.
asciilifeform: these used to be... not exactly common, but not entirely unheard of.
nubbins`: i recall reading years ago that he was doing the whole *ihkal thing with cacti
nubbins`: hard go these past few years
asciilifeform: it's hilariously funny how everyone is eager to go back to 1992 and ditch even the most elementary process memory separation.
decimation: looking at the end-to-end turd, it appears that they do support many ciphers: aes.js aeskeywrap_testdata.js blowfish.js cipher.js ciphertext.js ecdh.js elgamal.js idea.js rsa.js workerservice.js
asciilifeform: i forget who here gave a shit about the CVT, but to round out the story: i did learn the cause of the voltage sags. ancient wiring, too many fat electrical appliances switching on in unison (air conditioner, water heater column)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine the inspectors get accustomed to annoying answers and learn not to ask
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They were probably taught better than to.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interestingly, none of the customs inspectors in 3 countries had any wish to open it.
asciilifeform: lol. in the pic, it's empty.
decimation: but I suspect the majority of existing GPG keys use RSA (or maybe elgamal)
nubbins`: moiety depends on the size ;)
moiety: just how big are these tshirts btw nubbins`?
decimation: no doubt, EC is better to implement in the hell that is javascript
mike_c: hehe. you mean the nsa recommended ones?
asciilifeform: mike_c: EC-based keys << complicated subject. the only solidly established fact is that the american curves are to be avoided.
decimation: one could use a commercial tool and hack it, but it would be neat if there were a tool that took into account gate delays etc.
peterl: he will se it in the logs
Phinnaeus: I do hear the sound part.
Phinnaeus: So that's where The Thinker keeps his left hand.
moiety: BB, no what's actually bothering me is the colours. everyone had their own before and i guess i just got used to it. now its in blocks of i'm not sure but they are definitely shared
Phinnaeus: I thought Hannah was the primer on elliptic curves.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Is it the SASL plugin?
BingoBoingo: Or smuxi's another good one.
moiety: then an irc client will be nothing :D
mike_c: i hate cloudflare as much as everyone, but this is actually a really useful primer on RSA and EC if you are new to the details of how they work:
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: X chat may be a good client to try then
moiety: they are really handy once youve had a wee click about. it's all straightforward nick and pass stuff
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: also, courtesy of asciilifeform here's Hannah and Mircea in the same picture if you haven't seen it already http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri2.jpg
nubbins`: you may also wish to use an actual irc client instead of the web interface, lots of handy features like tab-completion for nicks
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: That's the one
Phinnaeus: Was Hannah the one that had that pick of toes last year that Jack Off to very now and then?
nubbins`: never made the connection
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: yeah, didn't you know... from like the signature...
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, you're Atruk on the forum?
BingoBoingo: Thing is native to parts of Illinois, but there is a lack of evidence it was ever native to place I passed it, but "reintroducing species" and shit like that
BingoBoingo: moiety: Local was wrestling with one of these Pizza sized critters trying to get it off the road
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BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: You are welcome. Pretty sure there's more stuff to get caught up on after spending so long in the Thermos ghetto.
Phinnaeus: thanks for the link BB
BingoBoingo: moiety: Did you see the sort of eldrich not Manul beast I encountered Monday?
mike_c: Phinnaeus: bingo linked you to a good post on the point of it all earlier. worth reading if you're thinking of hanging out here: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
moiety: BingoBoingo: re: goat on a cliff. "If you squint just right you can see how it got there" lolol
Phinnaeus: Remember, I'm the Bitcoiner that doesn't mine, nor host a client. And, trust InstaWallet with my 1,132 BTC of which davout (staff of BT) now has in one of his fat-ass wallets.
Phinnaeus: Bring me up to speed. What's "take voice" and what's the purpose of this IRC channel (any IRC channel)?
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But the keys to give and take voice only are offered to registered people, because crypto
BingoBoingo: I also can't register you with the bots... Once you are registered I can rate you.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But if you know I'm 618 that's like... 3/5ths of the state's area I could be in
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: That's me. I'm Atruk on the forum.
Phinnaeus: I could reply to the person who sent me here via PM on BT
BingoBoingo: If you BTC address auth it's the stupid signature thing...
Phinnaeus: Okay. Gribble, send me some coins via the address I'm about to give you so that you truly know it's me.
BingoBoingo: then I can rate you and you can get auto voice for being Phinnaeus
Phinnaeus: When Brock Pierce was there?
Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse.
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BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: He keeps the IRC bot in line and occasionally blesses it with new functions
Phinnaeus: what the heck is a bot herder
Phinnaeus: Now, go here and read the last few tweets (will only take a sec): https://twitter.com/sboj
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Anyways this channel has a log, and a bash and other shit