Naphex: +xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
xmj: AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
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Naphex: xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good
pankkake: it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create
mircea_popescu: by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM
mike_c: sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.
mircea_popescu: what are you, like the mp of creation ?
mike_c: that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.
mike_c: 100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.
chetty: why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything)
mike_c: but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.
mircea_popescu: quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet
mircea_popescu: at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then
mike_c: so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.
mircea_popescu: if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents
mircea_popescu: meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display.
mircea_popescu: it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left.
mircea_popescu: "behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully.
mircea_popescu: every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black.
Naphex: other people do
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved.
mike_c: well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?!
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: mike_c: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b58 i dont see the funds https://blockchain.info/address/17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR << looking into this.
fluffypony: for a moment I was hoping that was on the forum
mircea_popescu: "We target growing entrepreneurs and businessmen in the world. I also wish to bring to your notice, our company's interest to provide financing for individuals and corporate bodies alike in great business opportunities."
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You know the other planes that have the same paint job, but are no where near the president's location in the world
davout: i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business
asciilifeform: the folks for whom these items are mandatory, 'national' clothing stay out. and don't seem to complain.
davout: asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing
asciilifeform: davout: not quite the same thing. it's 'no caps', 'no pants with wide bottoms', etc. rather than 'must have civilized suit'
davout: asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone
xmj: Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary
Naphex: funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^
asciilifeform: over here, 'right to refuse service' is alive and well in... pubs. it is permitted when based on particular clothing. which the 'untermenschen' helpfully insist on wearing.
davout: mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen
davout: danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public
chetty: well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service'
mike_c: because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.
Naphex: hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:)
chetty: I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?'
mike_c: danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.
mircea_popescu: which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake.
benkay: "don't transact with the masses"
chetty: well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me
mircea_popescu: lol the kid shows promise
asciilifeform: 'GET /wallet.zip HTTP/1.1' from 46.36.222.156 port 49375', 'GET /bitcoin.zip...' [same], lol, is the tard on freenode?
TomServo: Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal?
mircea_popescu: which is why there should be no higher power than a baker
benkay: but the baker answers to a higher power
mircea_popescu: <benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen"
benkay: but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out"
mike_c: meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.
benkay: changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote
benkay: 100x the normal rate
benkay: 10x the normal rate
benkay: there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c
mike_c: that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".
benkay: re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.'
benkay: i just learned about the doge "soak"
princessnell: chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand.
CheckDavid: I heard one can implement btc payments in there somehow though
mircea_popescu: o yah, yeah i think ytou were added to the list back when
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mircea_popescu: nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…?
bitcoinpete: "the memo suggests that perhaps the country isn't eager to pay off all of its creditors."
bitcoinpete: so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether
bitcoinpete: lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me
benkay: <mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message
benkay: <mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself.
mike_c: not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.
benkay: sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion
benkay: then i bought from a pro. using laptops.
benkay: it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed.
benkay: opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS.
benkay: some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit
mircea_popescu: but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly.
mircea_popescu: granted that the form of it favours your interpretation
mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics.
mircea_popescu: but why would they be ?
mircea_popescu: they indeed seem that way.
mircea_popescu: also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc
mircea_popescu: it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today
mike_c: not to mention more than existed at the time.
mircea_popescu: i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from trilema.
mike_c: well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess
mircea_popescu: its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ?
mircea_popescu: say what you will, the press doth learn.
mircea_popescu: "BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million."
mircea_popescu: yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so...
princessnell: i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin
i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason
Mats_cd03: imo physics is the most valuable
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io << depends. you ever heard of atc, the altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places.
princessnell: ha. but then you don't get a sheepskin.
mircea_popescu: well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free.
princessnell: point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs
mircea_popescu: math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union)
princessnell: "studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law"
princessnell: "the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy
mircea_popescu: granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it.
mircea_popescu: my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law.
mircea_popescu: but my point was not about the direct practical application
princessnell: that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage.
mircea_popescu: princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars!
mircea_popescu: princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ?
mircea_popescu: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl.
pankkake: depends on the days
mircea_popescu: but you're the same one guy rite ?
mircea_popescu: just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ?
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!!
fluffypony: davout: dancing in the streets but for free!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended
fluffypony: on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing).
fluffypony: The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money
davout: mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina
dub: crime stats in denver since they legalised weed
mircea_popescu: i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task
Mats_cd03: im glad theres an extension
pankkake: i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee"
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this
mike_c: i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study << this is precisely why they wanted that "murder solicitation" thing in there so bad. and... they got it. because, bitcoin jesuses.
mircea_popescu: and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't.
mircea_popescu: oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't
mircea_popescu: there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis.
mircea_popescu: second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing.
mircea_popescu: and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york.
mircea_popescu: this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart.
mircea_popescu: anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker wireless omg.
artifexd: I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location.
artifexd: I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again.
artifexd: It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work.
fluffypony: artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting
xmj: get your inflated head down to the reality of 2014.
mircea_popescu: first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups"
mircea_popescu: well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is."
mircea_popescu: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks.
mircea_popescu: and then perhaps we can merge-credits.
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra.
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pankkake: merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously
TomServo: "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment."
mircea_popescu: you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing"
fluffypony: the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc.
TomServo: I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that.
pankkake: "The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others.
pankkake: "You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour!
mircea_popescu: so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on trilema ?
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mircea_popescu: gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line
dub: obama was sent to initiate the harvest
pankkake: at least americans will be able to eat their fat
Naphex: i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip
Naphex: atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:)
Naphex: nah i was just kidding, do the ticket
Naphex: wait i was just about to break the hash
mircea_popescu: you do get a pat on the head tho, for being halpful.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no?
mircea_popescu: who's the haxxor here.
Mats_cd03: I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc
Naphex: sadly i am not the nsa:(
Naphex: so i can just snag it from there
Naphex: and then check
mircea_popescu: i forget exactly but in principle that's the scheme
mircea_popescu: if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore.
mircea_popescu: and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging.
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mircea_popescu: the long version being that there's no ssl on trilema because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP.
mircea_popescu: they can't use it.
mircea_popescu: aren't they gonna be happy.
mircea_popescu: someone sent me a trilema credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx
davout: Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c
Naphex: how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up?
mircea_popescu: a ok. best leave a link in comments there would you.
pankkake: artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p
davout: kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help
davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward
davout: what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post)
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Naphex: so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then