mircea_popescu: gotta get some kicks ot the head first.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them << you think too far ahead to be part of the kickstarter revolution
pankkake: Shakespeare: I don't have the knowledge of windows compiles
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benkay: <mircea_popescu> on the other hand, the black market in dollars is stable. // as in price is holding? over what timeframe?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php, forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters << even the most pathetic public ftp can still host an rsa-signed blob for trojan payload. number of crap artists who do 'the right thing'? not 1 in 100.
asciilifeform: zeus trojan << very educational case. zeus is a very poorly designed turd, but it is smashingly popular on account of a thousand spamz0r idiots buying 'custom' builds and paying to have them spammed out to chumps. see also one of mp's old articles on spam being a 'cargo cult.'
benkay: <mircea_popescu> davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them. << i only ever found 1 acceptable cup in bsas
xmj: as i'm most often in company of cashflow-negative startups, i usually add something that lets them save face.
xmj: as that one is most often a no too, i ask how long their company is still funded.
xmj: benkay: it always yields a "no", so my script is to ask if they have paying customers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << if i recall, you're friends with the fellow who runs it, ask him wtf
benkay: <xmj> i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king. // the subtlety's always lost and generally pointless. their feelings aren't worth protecting. go for the jugular.
fluffypony: then again, this is BitcoinBourse
fluffypony: one would think you either grandfather previous listings in, or have a delisting process for them
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I don't have a problem with the fees, I have a problem with them suddenly deciding to charge the fees
ThickAsThieves: like all the smart flamingos are standing around on two legs complaining about the one-leggers all day
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if other mammals have infinite hit point phenomena
davout: we should send them to btctalk
ThickAsThieves: some rhinos and such being at risk for inbreeding, they ship animals around the world, to and fro, to keep a healthy mix
davout: "the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year" <<< too much romance to handle?
ThickAsThieves: the wife can only do such a trip once or twice a year
ThickAsThieves: well, maybe hate is the wrong word
ThickAsThieves: i'll gladly put a txt wherever the programmer suggests
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mircea_popescu: ;;google the real altcoin
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so you want to put some reliable nodes in the default list?
ThickAsThieves: need an executable of the Altcoin wallet for Windows that auto-finds nodes, so no terminal futzing is needed (also recompiling from current source would remove the coingen.io branding from currently available .exe)
mircea_popescu: lance sackless in abu dhabi for an afternoon : http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Remember+the+buttwalk+.+90s+kids+remember_26009e_4606557.jpg
ThickAsThieves: been digging into Anathem lately, good stuff, fucking long book.
fluffypony: the trip to BA will be a 32-ish hour trip (including a 3hr layover), thank heavens for business class
fluffypony: los_pantalones: rough plans yes - can't really afford the time to do more than 2 overseas holidays a year (business trips notwithstanding)
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are ready to retire
ThickAsThieves: surely there's Washington to SA, no?
fluffypony: and Frankfurt and Singapore and Oz and a bunch of other places
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, i thought it's the only way that works.
ThickAsThieves: hehe, i'm not sure fitting london and sa into the same trip would work
mircea_popescu: <dub> they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly << muy true.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: how goes the South African cat-sitting plans?
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php << forced mistake when you're stuck working with random cheapo hosters
ThickAsThieves: I have spent more on lawyers than Erik has paid the SEC, yes
kakobrekla: its not that. they have a biz with you.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> you settled with da SEC yet ? --- I have no business with them at this time.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, actually afaik they got him in april.
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kakobrekla: also euro back at 1.36, to the --moon
dub: they keep tabs on formor lovers mostly
Naphex: what do the tlas and its agents do with it?
Naphex: wonder what they do with that much access
Naphex: fluffypony: the tools tla's use are much more avanced
Naphex: fluffypony: i mean zeus had crappy rc4 encryption and the backend was silly php
davout: Naphex: on mysql it's retarded, they fixed it with mariadb
davout: Naphex: i miss the Oracle REPLACE
xmj: I hadn't logged in in more than a year. Apparently the broker has to comply with a few more KYC laws now.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if we'll see a draghi hour. (named after "earth hour", where people supposedly don't use any energy for a whole hour once a year, the draghi hour is an hour where nobody buys anything whatsoever. it results from inflationary price shocks, supply side inflationary blockage and people being generally poor and justifiably hopeless)
mircea_popescu: anyway, a negative interest rate opens the window for infinite inflation, which countries like italy or greece may actually see, however briefly.
mircea_popescu: h OpenSSL from their resumes."
mircea_popescu: "I didnt quote or link because I support OpenSSL or their efforts. I do not. For one thing I do not believe they are honest, for the other I do not believe they are competent. In either case I do not believe the project should survive, or has any further utility. All those involved should, in my considered opinion, go home, do something else with their time, and as far as possible erase the shameful involvement wit
mircea_popescu: "The attack can only be performed between a vulnerable client *and* server." followed by "OpenSSL clients are vulnerable in all versions of OpenSSL." for great winj, and then "Servers are only known to be vulnerable in OpenSSL 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta1."
pankkake: what about the debian "let's replace random data by zeros" guy?
mircea_popescu: one of the few points which lends itself to statystical analysys.
mircea_popescu: the exact way in which the various distros do the updating is imo the best way to diagnose usg moles in foss.
pankkake: but then linux distros didn't update to it, and users wonder why it doesn't have the latest
xmj: DAX smashed through 10'000 points the first time, like it's nothing.
mircea_popescu: let's see what the derps have to say.
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> <BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol <<< it's lucky that all the major players ignored th efuckwits past .6 or so.
xmj: i'm waiting for the DAX to crash
Apocalyptic: <BlueMatt> ehhhh...release time? https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt // new bug affecting the bitcoin payment protocol
xmj: EUR/USD is the only currency worth watching, fwiw
davout: i stopped getting worked up at that kind of things the day i tried australian sparkling red wine
mircea_popescu: but from what i've observed merely the statement of this heresy gives coffee addicts toothache
xmj: Apocalyptic: it's the old "let's put out the fire by adding more oil" strategy they've been pursuing for the last five years.
xmj: Apocalyptic: the stream sucks so i'm not really looking at it.
davout: talk to me like i'm 5, or dotcoin for the matter
davout: mircea_popescu: "the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this." <<< whaddaya mean?
mircea_popescu: pankkake, im asking around too. seems a bloodbath, plenty of trend followers bought on the upswing and are well panicked.
xmj: jeee their m3u stream sucksssss
Apocalyptic: during these annoucements you have to expect liquidity drops
xmj: they did.
xmj: ECB cuts base interest rate from 0.25pc to 0.15pc and the deposit facility to -0.1pc to spur eurozone recovery and head off deflation
kakobrekla: usd was there first
mircea_popescu: the icbc is quite present here, to the point they do consumer advertising either. yet the argentines don't seem to have created any sort of synthetic debenture based proxy for the chinese currency
pankkake: because the us is also a week away from default
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck does this work ?
mircea_popescu: so i have this first mystery on my hands. on one haqnd, the english language propaganda is screaming about how argentina is a week away from default.
mircea_popescu: so i guess ukip is going to form the government. by itself.
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Apocalyptic: oh yeah the BCE summit
mircea_popescu: holy shit this is the end of europe.
dub: check out the louis tres bottle
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cheaper too, I gather?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, o speaking of beer, these people have a faux guiness
mircea_popescu: hahaha chetty what are they now, 1 satoshi percent ?
fluffypony: been doing the craft beer thing for a while
dub: predictably towards the end of an epic whisky binge
mircea_popescu: http://e-murfatlar.ro/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/IMG_0658_0.jpg that's the bottle
dub: oh, I drank half a bottle of Louis XIII with some friends on the weekend
mircea_popescu: dub, romanian cognac. quite good. the bottle is 1 inch thick glass.
mircea_popescu: the latter i never heard of , and to be quite frank with you it sounds liek a scam
mircea_popescu: you should see the screaming matches that errupt in my board meetings every while or so.
mircea_popescu: a well. yes. all it requires is a degree in not saying really stupid shit. which, granted, is a rara avis these days, kids being pushed so hard to explore the space of possibilities they never learn to hedge their bets.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you on about, people argue with me all the time.
mircea_popescu: davout: so apparently, and as predicted, mastercard told xapo to go fuck itself << the lulzy part is that it hasn't, and i bet you won't, close down for this.
mircea_popescu: dub: you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded << shut up and oracle!
mircea_popescu: jurov: actually, despite being a sysadmin with 8 or so year practice and i avoid messing with physical hw whenever i can. so what, kill me. << i don't think we kill people for their preferences here.
pankkake: I don't even try to argue about diets with girls anymore. I figure they just like to be hungry for a few weeks and then eat shit again
mircea_popescu: obviously you doubt. everyone all the time doubts, cause their interest is alligned that way. pain fucking hurts.
mircea_popescu: this is the importance of pain in human life. it changes who you are. substantially, definitively.
mircea_popescu: no wonder they'll swallow any con. after that one, what else is there to really con them about ?
mircea_popescu: whoever told the current crop of imbeciles that pain avoidance is a legitimate goal of the thinking mind really did a number of them
pankkake: "Our biology taunts us, by making short-term weight loss fairly easy" well duh. it's the stupid way of losing weight
mircea_popescu: o you meant the earlier ?
mircea_popescu: xmj: that's a manweek you do not spend on developing your product!!!!! << moar like a boyweek. there IS a difference.
mircea_popescu: did they froth ?
mircea_popescu: what days lol, it was on trilema at the onset. for that matter, mpoe-pr did it on the forum
pankkake: no I posted the asciminer bet on the forum, saying #bitcoin-assets preticted the crash days ago
mircea_popescu: davout: drinking aero-pressed espresso in a mongodb mug << let me ruin your day for you. coffee in argentina ? comes PRE SWEET$ENED. and i don't even mean the bags. i mean the MOTHERFUCKING BEANS;. they sugar-cook them.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too. << yeah i think so. and what "of this age", it's all ages. that's the beauty of it, the zero delta since forever.
mircea_popescu: where did you put them btw ?
pankkake: in the end I got 0 BTC
mircea_popescu: a ok then
pankkake: I already annoyed him with the bitbet ads
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davout: Naphex: save the 3ds liability shift chart, it's going away in two minutes
pankkake: I tried to write those at the same time
mircea_popescu: "If you don't admit MP is your God, the story of your loss will be told"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck
pankkake: but I never write then translate, at least
mircea_popescu: o, they ARE in french ?
mircea_popescu: "Buy the lite, buy the pee pee Soon the girls will be on their knees Buy the Quark, or maybe don't! Every day for you they will moan"
pankkake: and now I have pinky and the brain in my head
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we came up with a plan for world domination but then promptly forgot it
mircea_popescu: it's the best thing that can ever be!
mircea_popescu: ahh, nanotube did i eve say just how much i love the gribble log-in scheme ?
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Naphex: probably but in the end your only guns will be laywers&politics
davout: no, the correct way is to use 3d secure and reject cards that don't get you a proper liability shift even with 3ds
Naphex: if you wanna credit the customers
Naphex: davout: well you can def do the mastercard/visa thing
davout: you were there when it was predicted, nothing to be too suprised about :-)
davout: "The possibility had been raised that the Xapo card would launch on the MasterCard network, but this turned out not to be the case."
fluffypony: "this turned out not to be the case"
fluffypony: oh it says there
fluffypony: ja I meant sauce on MasterCard saying no (besides MasterCard putting Bitcoin on their lobbying form)
fluffypony: davout: got a sauce on the Xapo thing?
xmj: i'll subtly neg them by asking about their company's economics. "so... are you cashflow positive?" is king.
xmj: Naphex: there's not just one
xmj: case in point, you just do not update things _the night before_ a demo.
xmj: pankkake: watercooler talk. not quite as rich on the details as you'd expect.
xmj: two i'm in the office with renewed server software / switched environment. tonight. both had demos / trade exhibitions scheduled in the morning when they needed stuff to work...
dub: hopefully there is a distinction between #bitcoin-assets startups and moms #basement-attick startups
jurov imagines arriving into DC with a gramophone to load the OS after power outage
davout: "but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup" << no, pre-orders ftw
davout: how does one burn freebsd on a bootable vinyl, that is the question
pankkake: but they still launched before actually knowing? now that's a real startup
pankkake: well buying sun servers is the parangon of hipsterism
jurov: when i tried coworking with fellow startups i sticked out there like a sore thumb
dub: you learn to let a lot of the expertise offered in here go but startups buying sun shit on ebay is getting pretty retarded
dub: hardware isthe domain of dirty system monkeys
punkman: more like the best TLD
jurov: such as, i was never able to come up with complete setup for the first or second time
BingoBoingo: I mean, tech has advanced enough that the financial cost of doing "Big Iron" as a hobbyist is less than doing HF amateur radio
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes a person needs to wonder. I mean who doesn't check the prices on the not so old 30 processor capable machines
xmj: BingoBoingo: I had hoped the amount of !! would tip you off on that not being serious.
BingoBoingo: I mean suppose the rare actually valuable idea in itself that could launch a tremendous venture... Do you really want to test the alpha on someone else's iron and risk them poaching it.
xmj: BingoBoingo: assume you spend two days obtaining the hardware, and another few days until it's all set up
BingoBoingo: xmj: You see, the difference between people who barrel of the cliff and people who actually think infrastructure is the later knows to investigate how cheap the good stuff has become.
fluffypony: only when the airdrop happens
fluffypony: that is a word and not her mashing the keyboard
fluffypony: quote from an actual SMS from my wife: " the Germans replied with a list of what we need for our ehefaehigkeitszeugnis"
davout: well, technically not drinking it yet, since the recommended 98°C for perfect coffee brewing is too hot for me
decimation: It speaks to the rampant antinomianism of this age
decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm glad you enjoyed the movie (a man for all seasons). I think I was the one that last reminded you about it - it's one of my favorites too.
xmj: which, for startups in the conventional sense, is extremely likely.
BingoBoingo: xmj: I really dunno what the cloud fascination is when these are on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Microsystems-SunFire-V440-Server-4x-1-60GHz-UltraSPARC-III-16gb-PC-2100/310962886850?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23309%26meid%3D7397420274572172178%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D291131644728
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Vexual, to become the butt of every nitwit's conspiracy theories. and don't tell me anyone has higher goals in life, it's not true. << This explains a lot, says all of Reddit
mircea_popescu: davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward << as best as it could be discerned it was more probably a shitty excuse by the dice site in question.
Vexual: theres a lot of it atround i guess
mircea_popescu: there should be a "beat internet people for bitcoin" service.
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, they should break up their thing for your comfort. god forbid the fucktarded miners all gather on one pool shouls smarten up.
mircea_popescu: Not closing registration as their pool is approaching a (visible) 51%
mircea_popescu: "...but there is also additional circumstantial evidence that GHash.IO have bad actors:
mircea_popescu: and do you remember the hungarian lolset back in 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for << not so lulzy. they're not even the first romanian bunch.
Vexual: definately was the phrasing on inspection
Vexual: ill leave it to the gods
mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
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mircea_popescu: curious if you'll manage to get that past the missus, at any rate.
benkay: and i'll be not displeased with my work if they accept that they'll need to start at the bottom to boot.
mircea_popescu: lol maybe the guy writes it sometime.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. // i'd love to hear this story sometime.
benkay: there are worse dragons to slave for.
mircea_popescu: it's just a hard thing to grasp this, that the thing can't even walk and yet it's a dragon, which you aren't, will never be etc.
mircea_popescu: my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really.
mircea_popescu: this is like that case of a three year old that';s so far smarter and better than you that your only hope as a father is to slave and serve it on your knees
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't the us being inimical to btc. the problem is btc being inimical to the us.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ?
asciilifeform in the gasenwagen will offer to buy inquisitor a trabant
mircea_popescu: benkay, well because if he does an ipo now he'd be roughly in the situaiton of karpeles
mircea_popescu: but i doubt he had much of a future as an issuer anyway, at least on the short term
mircea_popescu: and closes his past (at the dubious cost of his next five years)
mircea_popescu: and as to why he ponied up, probably bcause it's a laughably small sum, it gives the sec something it already had (i doubt any us citizen can sanely argue that th eauthority of the us govt and its agencies doesn't extend to him)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, he had enough sense to listen to me when i told him how to do the buy back.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be // incidentally, this is why i love consulting. customers are typically n=1 where n trusts me and my boys to deliver - which we do. in spades.
asciilifeform: two things about this story puzzle me (confession: i never gave enough of a damn to keep track in real time...) - why nothing about satoshidice? only sued for a small part of the spam op profit and: why vorhees ponied up
mircea_popescu: so i guess htey made at least one friend with the process.
mircea_popescu: (hanbot was "WTF WHERE DO THEY GET OFF")
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This time though /. did that thing where they traded actual links for abc new
mircea_popescu: dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW << dub is such a bland kowtow character