mircea_popescu: the correct conclusion being that a bystander is insane and the police officer cowardly.
diametric: danielpbarron: 17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…
mircea_popescu: "In the months of fear and shame that followed my being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, I continuously analyzed my own mind-set that day, trying to understand how I did something that both a bystander and a police officer considered criminally dangerous, and the best I could come up with was the theory that Id been lulled by nostalgia into a false sense of security."
diametric: danielpbarron: oh so now that the old testament is hard to justify in modern times, you just throw it away? except you can't, because matthew 5:18 clearly says, from Jesus, that until heaven and earth are gone, you need to follow the law of the old testament.
mircea_popescu: all the many things that are STILL not dangerous today.
mircea_popescu: ious banks, schools and offices, he was left alone in the front passenger seat of a convertible Mustang for a good portion of his childhood, primarily because he was shy and wanted to not have to meet new people. For people of our generation, living a suburban childhood, the car was central to our lives, not simply a mode of transportation but in many ways, an extension of our home.
mircea_popescu: in the trunk of the station wagon on long road trips. I remember standing up in the back of my fathers LeBaron convertible while he cruised around the neighborhood, or spending an hour lying low on the seat of our station wagon, feet against the window, daydreaming or reading in crowded parking lots while my mother got groceries or ran other boring errands. One friend tells me how, from 7-Elevens, to Kroger, to var
mircea_popescu: My friends and I sometimes play this game, the did-our-parents-really-let-us-do-that game. We recall bike ramps, model rockets, videotaping ourselves setting toys on fire. Many remember taking off on bikes alone, playing in the woods for hours without adult supervision, crawling through storm drains to follow creek beds, latchkey afternoons, monkey bars installed over slabs of concrete. My husband recalls forts built
mircea_popescu: fucking fence the pool. what next.
mircea_popescu: well if i had no other reasons to not have kids, this'd be sufficient.
mike_c: more kids die from the pool than from guns.
diametric: danielpbarron: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13%3A10&version=ESV is the closest I can find. Since your parents are atheists, I think its your duty to go stone them now.
mircea_popescu: eh what the fuck.
Mats_cd03: you have to be pretty gullible to believe in the bible
jurov: ThickAsThieves: there?
diametric: danielpbarron: doesn't that kind of fuck you in the end, you're going to hell whether you like it or not
diametric: danielpbarron: but doesn't the bible also say honoring wicked people is a sin?
mircea_popescu: what do they do ?
diametric: danielpbarron: the bible says it should be
mircea_popescu: put out, do the dishes, w/e
diametric: danielpbarron: so then you agree since the law in the US allows gays to marriage, you must submit?
Mats_cd03: the weak succumb
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, the catholic contemporary instistence on "raising the children in the church" and promising to do so
mircea_popescu: and so the new religion spread.
asciilifeform: i thought even the archaeologically-challenged are at least familiar with the babypit of sparta, say
mircea_popescu: and from the stupidity of the illusion of control, as los_pantalones aptly put it, the control theatre
mircea_popescu: and out of this effort to cover screams of children and take their mother's mind off it
mircea_popescu: they started beating drums
mircea_popescu: and the place's name was... gehenna.
asciilifeform: thought gehenna was the babypit outside old jerusalem
mike_c: craziness. good to know people have always been as dumb as they are today.
mircea_popescu: the religion moved to forbid women weeping,
los_pantalones: what was the goal of it? illusion of control ?
mircea_popescu: the mothers had serious problems with this. the fathers did to. and yet... cold equations of power.
mircea_popescu: because if you can't prevent it, the only other way to gain some control over it is to do it yourself.
mircea_popescu: parents loathe this. and more so in 4000bc than today, for today it's only imagined, whereas then it was a fact.
mircea_popescu: a key part of this risk management was the following weird as shit aspect :
mircea_popescu: turns out, among the many things the ancient babylonians invented, such as the seals, and commerce,
mircea_popescu: mike_c, btw, the "mom did spanking" part is extremely important for the WOMAN's mental health.
ThickAsThieves: ever have someone cup their hand over yours and press inward on your fingernails while the hand is closed?
mike_c: then his warface sucks.
mike_c: no. my father never hit me (mom did spanking), but i was more scared of him than her.
mircea_popescu: is that what they market codeine as ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it. << you care because if you didn't you'ds have married a chimp instead of his mother.
mircea_popescu: which is what they're wired to avoid
mike_c: help what? beating is attention, which is what they want.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'webtv' was this '90s gizmo for the terminally sad
mircea_popescu: re that link : i had this nutty discussion with a guy at the mall in timisoara, his 4 yo kid was throwing an absolute tantrum on the ground
mike_c: "“Let’s put aside for the moment that by far, the most dangerous thing you did to your child that day was put him in a car and drive someplace with him. About 300 children are injured in traffic accidents every day — and about two die. That’s a real risk"
mike_c: she made national news for letting her 9 yr old ride the subway alone
mike_c: from punkman's link on leaving your child in the car
mircea_popescu: did the angels name her ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you will find that quite a few folks here will join you to party in Ar, as soon as we figure out what to eat there.
asciilifeform: (u.s. fuckwits, as a general rule, don't have the courage to blow up heretics)
mircea_popescu: davout, meanwhile one has emerged in conversation. you folks coming to live with me in romania'd have had to wait > 10 years plus for citizenship, making it useless. any attempt to get the foreign minister to commit to making ongoing exceptions predictably failed, not for lack of him wanting to help, but for pure wtf... it's a eu country, it'd have ended up on all the newspapers.
asciilifeform: i gotta say, the fuckwits don't bother me (except on the rare occasions they show up to my door, spamming)
mircea_popescu: hopefully the islamists come riding horses, and so the entire population of "France and Belgium were broadly supported by the other countries - Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, the Netherlands, Ireland and Spain " can be sexually satisfied.
mircea_popescu: let's make sure our boys can't compete with their boys, and if push comes to shove our entire country is made of girls.
mircea_popescu: "Officials from the group will hold meetings with "the leading Internet operators" this month to look into the possibilities for immediately shutting down web sites and barring messages that spread hatred or encourage violent militancy or terrorism, the statement said."
mircea_popescu: in other words, religion managed to never bother me anywhere - egypt included - as much as it bothers in the us.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem, this "i can do it" atttiude applied to religion. which isn't religion in any sense, unless you count ustardianism as a religion.
diametric: asciilifeform: well, i think i was more going along the lines of secularism, a lot of the population of JP doesn't identify with any single religion but rather pieces of several
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's more a factor of us specific idiocy. there was a fuckwit in the street hre, clearly american, derping about jesus to people. he clearly had a mortgage back home,
mike_c: heh, you mean like religion? the church keep pushing that nuttery everywhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, various brands of nuttery are pushed by the church
diametric: mircea_popescu: i don't like them.
diametric: at the time I mostly chose it due to the climate which I'd enjoy, as well as having the least amount of religious people.
asciilifeform: doesn't No have the world's currently highest tax...
diametric: I've toyed with the idea of moving to Norway a few times.. but I have far too many things anchoring me here.
mircea_popescu: i will further point out that argentine citizenship, unlike romanian citizenship, is a two year affair.
mircea_popescu: do me a personal favour and don't wait for the exit taxes payable in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd best time is today.
mircea_popescu: diametric, all that stuff aside, asciilifeform, as well as you and everyone else that can form this question or similar questions are well advised to get out of the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: or whatever was the guy'[s name
ThickAsThieves: If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. :-)"
ThickAsThieves: to see if it meets our requirements for addition to the Cryptsy exchange.
ThickAsThieves: they seem much more open-minded this time "Thank you for contacting Cryptsy. I am happy to assist.
mircea_popescu: jumping from log to log in the virgin forests of bitcoin-assetia
mircea_popescu: the rest is tacked on because the sec is in a very unenviable strategic position after our meanwhile piublished discussion, and would like to turn the "either mp's way or the highway" into some sort of "either mp's way or epsilon"
mircea_popescu: <diametric> mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation? << no. he was fined for having advertised a glbse scam.
mircea_popescu: this is a trend that has being going on for three years and is likely to continue : people who think they know better than me / don't listen to me will have problems.
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the mpex offering is attached in the deal in a spurious and mostly doomed attempt to shoehorn some relevancy in the matter.
ThickAsThieves: their main problem seems to be that no filing for exemption or registration was made
asciilifeform: i'm still curious precisely why vorhees wasn't sent to the wagen for satoshidice
mike_c: it seemed to me the only reason he got fined was that his feedzbirdz investors didn't make money.
diametric: mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation?
mike_c: i think if you scoured the entire logs you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares
mircea_popescu: diametric, well, i'm not a lawyer, and especially not one admitted before the sec bar
diametric: mircea_popescu: speaking of s.nsa, what's your take on erik's settlement with the SEC, and what do you think asciilifeform's risk is of falling into the same situation?
asciilifeform: i look at the fscking bird and all i can think, 'ortolan'
ThickAsThieves: http://freepdfhosting.com/0d53fc3f43.pdf looks like Ken is getting similar fines to Erik, except from the state of Mo instead
asciilifeform: (there are at least 7 distinct cats orbiting this place.)
asciilifeform: i'll leave it for the thick cat.
asciilifeform: ^ a minute or so of the action
ThickAsThieves: considering i think the WoT needs improvement and that just because you arent it doesnt make you a peasant or scammer
ThickAsThieves: i'm a bit more squishy than you when it comes to these ideals, like No WoT, No Service
mircea_popescu: well no, i don';t have one. i do have the habit of asking unpleasant questions.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, basically you've elected to not be part of bitcoin and so to dull the ache of it will now play an ipad app game about bitcoins ?
ThickAsThieves: and things will continue to play out as they do without me
ThickAsThieves: whether i instigate it or not
ThickAsThieves: but the next level of ATC adoption would likely include it being listed on another crop of exchanges regardless
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I heard Blockr is going to implement x-bt as the default exchange for ATC
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more << this can't hurt.
asciilifeform woke up from the noise, looked in window, saw wild cat tunneling (!) under the house. but then the cat successfully penetrated, and the noise continued - then found bird. on other side of bldg. cat isn't doing his work.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond << such a successful business-ex-man ?!
Apocalyptic: adding more coins will attract the kind of people we really don't want in ATC imo
ThickAsThieves: but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more
punkman: pigeon flew into the house the other day, derped around for like 10 minutes, shat on my bed, then flew out before I could strangle it
ThickAsThieves: you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond
mircea_popescu: face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age" << this is quite true, he has a point.
fluffypony: omf I've got to tell the wife
ThickAsThieves: the pope is replenishing hit points "Pontiff says couples who decide not to procreate and opt to get a dog or cat instead face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age"
fluffypony: I believe you've discovered the Lilac Breasted Usagi, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: ya how do you know it's the same bird
pankkake: many altcoin exchanges have the same bizness model
fluffypony: once it's on there
mircea_popescu: i thought they have 10 derps voting like whatever meanwhile dead exchange used to
ThickAsThieves: I've also got the trading bug a few weeks ago, so dipping into alts too
fluffypony: yeah to the voting page
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed? /// well i'm emailing support for the seconf time about it, but this time to see if they'll add it to a special page they have for letting community vote on what to add next. this mechanism also has a way to pay for votes (i havent done the math)
mircea_popescu: pete's law of the bitcoin network ? "two degrees of magnitude each 8 months"
mircea_popescu: "the Bitcoin network has reached nearly 100 petahashes of processing power, less than 8 piddling months after hitting 1 petahash."
los_pantalones: then i think a few more people started reporting issues
los_pantalones: they wouldn't admit it was a bug
los_pantalones: he met up w/ the guys who run it
ThickAsThieves: i already made the account, it says 3099 is an invalid code
ThickAsThieves: it's the all-encompassing crypto-only exchange
mircea_popescu: (is this one of the new exchanges ?)
dub: you might be able to donate hardware but they wont give you control of it without a lot of trust
thestringpuller: /lastlog thestringpuller 5
dub: usually the bar for linking a server is set kinda high
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: IRC meets blockchain technology << actually if you want to do something useful, provision a server (ie, the actual hardware), donate its use to the freenode people (they have a special page)
mircea_popescu: we're making it difficult for the real nsa to get one.
mircea_popescu: then stop going to sleep with your cigar lit ?
mircea_popescu: maybe take him down to the farm ?
dub: I know another kenneth who could use getting fucked to death by a horse
Diablo-D3: there are much safer alternatives than horse dick
dub: Diablo-D3: think so, thats the voyage of discovery mp is on
mircea_popescu: TomServo, its dawning of me that for it to be a perforated colon rather than a torn anus it'd have had to be... in
TomServo: evidently they can, may include perforated colon, but hey
mircea_popescu: there go asciilifeform's hopes of impalement as a punishment
dub: the horse is like 'meh, any port in a storm'
los_pantalones: the sphincter is a muscle, it can be trained
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? they actually can do that ?
mircea_popescu: "The police tracked down the rural Enumclaw-area farm, which was known in zoophile Internet chat rooms as a destination for people who want to have sex with livestock, and seized hundreds of hours of videotapes of men engaging in receptive anal sex with horses. One of the videotapes featured Kenneth Pinyan shortly before he died July 2"
mircea_popescu: "As there was no law against humanely fucking one horse, the prosecutors could only charge Tait with trespassing."
mircea_popescu: if i ever turn to a life of crime and merry robbery, i'ma leave the victims arrest warrants in rem too
dub: they can hijack at best
mircea_popescu: the fact that organised scammers can currently steal domain names is the most important vector of attack reducing the credibility of the dns system
mircea_popescu: the other point being that customers can have any car color they want as long as it's black.
dub: the point is you can't really decouple branding from ownership
mircea_popescu: dub, i actually had missed that one. apparently my internet use a decade ago was not sufficiently close to matters of interes tfor the gay community.
dub: (you've been on the internet right?)
gribble: Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case>; Mr. Hands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands>; Mr. Hands (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands_(album)>
pankkake: hey, not everyone can resist the 72 virgins
mircea_popescu: and once i am, it's cool to be, and once it's cool to be everyone has no further options in the matter.
mircea_popescu: i live to make sure the us won't be disrupted dontchaknow.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that is so very much my concern, that it'll rape the us
dub: the market wants to buy control
dub: yes, and as soon an grandma can get to .bit and finds mr hands at wallmart.bit everyone involved is going to court then gitmo
mircea_popescu: sex solves some big problems and creates othersw.
mircea_popescu: fucking mpex solves some big problems and creates others.
pankkake: because the media will make it as childporncoin or something?
dub: it solves some big problems but creates others
mircea_popescu: mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link << so what if he does lol. bitcoin is backed by lulz.
dub: putting your name to this thing is potentially worse than any other coin imo
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: are you a bot? <<< ahahaha epic. was waiting for it :D
pankkake: I don't think the fee system is considered fixed for now. it is extremely cheap to register something right now
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only demurage scheme that makes any sense.
dub: there are devs?
mircea_popescu: pankkake, splendid seriously. send the devs my compliments.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st << what's wrong with 1.0011^x like sane people ?
pankkake: I mean they are destroyed
pankkake: I think they are, it created some controversy
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens to the 1 ncent ? lost for all time ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake, then its nothing.
pankkake: 0.9 changed many file locations, the build system, etc. so it's pretty much all or nothing
mircea_popescu: pankkake, and how do the costs to reg a domain work at all ? is it a fixed fee ?
mircea_popescu: i subscribe to the coin control features, but definitely minus the payment protocol bullshit.
pankkake: sha256, and everything the same as Bitcoin
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: as well as updated windows binaries, Altcoin could certainly use coin control features. there's the possibility of using 0.9 (perhaps disable payment protocol as a statement), or merge the bitcoin-omg 0.8 patches (probably less work)
mircea_popescu: remind me, what are the chain characteristics ? sha256 ? how many per block, how frequent blocks ?
pankkake: using namecoind is horrible. though I haven't tried the Qt one
mircea_popescu: ima add it to fmpif then. ping BingoBoingo
pankkake: I actually bought my last NMC there, with my ATC sales
mircea_popescu: what's it trade at these days ? (and where even ?)
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you be bothered to be my nmc broker or have you had it with brokering ?
mircea_popescu: i was kinda having high hopes for namecoin. then it died. then i was having high hopes again. then it seems it died #2 ?
mircea_popescu: about the missing mpex reports : s.nsa will be published today. s.mpex will be published next month.
ThickAsThieves: Jon Matonis – “The number one problem that I hope Bitcoin will solve by the end of 2015 is the ability to provide a realistic and viable alternative to central bank issued currencies.”
ThickAsThieves: “By the end of 2015 I hope that Bitcoin will enable people to be able to transact with other individuals across the planet, without requiring permission from a bank or government.”
assbot: The #1 Problem Bitcoin Will Solve by 2015 – Bitcoin Magazine
pankkake: but I fail to see a compelling reason to use it even then
pankkake: the only thing could be private repositories, though there already are client-side encryption projects
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
pankkake: so the first step is to register with gribble http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
fluffypony: to be voiced you typically have to be in the WoT and in assbot's L1 or L2 trust, or be voiced by someone else temporarily
mdev: i'll look into registering later so won't be a burden on you guys anyway with the upping stuff
mdev: lot of mobile projects out there too