benkay: wait hang on i thought the Shavers case established that they don't care if it's money or not raising funds is raising funds
benkay: kinda goes cross-grain to the Shavers case.
bitcoingirl: this is my conclusion: "In order for the SEC to consider raising bitcoin a securities offering, they would have to consider bitcoin as ‘money,' which they haven't"
bitcoingirl: parts of them.
benkay: or, whatever legal docs the SEC pooped out
benkay: bitcoingirl: have you read the indictments too?
bitcoingirl: i was just trying to get some information on the voorhees case. very interesting subject.
benkay: i'm sure we'll see it in the next 'this week in bitcoin' from what is it - Forbes, bitcoingirl?
fluffypony: "Whats Dannys real name? is it really Daniel Brewster or what? I hv investors who want to buy the business how do i get hold of him?"
jurov: bitcoingirl, mind sharing the conclusion?
fluffypony: thestringpuller:
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jurov: if there is curl for dos, just do
dignork: frankenmint: you don't have to, on unix you can run "gpg -d", and paste the message into stdin
frankenmint: not knowing that I need to save the link into a file
jurov: download the challenge link into a file
frankenmint: i have gpg and i could register but I can't figure out the proper usage with the challenge link
frankenmint: how do I decrypt the challenge question in dos?
davout: pankkake: i'm told sometimes the hitbtc orderbook empties all of a sudden, the mm who whas telling me that assumes it's their own bot that sometimes goes offline
assbot: The most advanced exchange / hitbtc
davout: there might business models for wallets, but trying to do everything is not the smartest way
benkay: also (and correct me if i'm wrong davout) but if a user ever wants to sell btc via paymium, even if not withdrawing cash, they have to have a french bank account.
pankkake: benkay: I don't remember, either no paid wager or bad source (bitcoincharts)
davout: i don't know about kraken, but the paymium approach is that we skip the issue entirely, we verify everyone, if people were only depositing and withdrawing btc they could do it anonymously, but we don't really want that kind of users since we make no money being a wallet
benkay: i suppose it would have to be, to work with the paymium model.
davout: the next step being, "oh wait, now you have money with us, let's start asking questions to let you move it out"
benkay: pankkake: what was the rejection rationale?
pankkake: but you give them your name!! it must be true :)
davout: that's the way i see it, look at their verification tiers, there's no such thing in europe where you can start moving funds without being identified
pankkake: they're verification was a joke last time I tried. didn't even have to upload documents for first levels
benkay: davout: implying they're skimping?
davout: yup, they're blessed with this situation where they have a financial entity backing them, but lets them do the kyc diligences themselves
pankkake: yes, the have more than bitcoin-central usually
pankkake: there is to btcusd for bitcoincentral, so gribble invents it. however, there is for kraken, which doesn't see much action
davout: ah, the usd one i guess :)
kakobrekla: davout iirc they started as US only
benkay: when i spoke to ms. choi last she indicated that was the plan. granted, that was forever ago and we've not kept up.
benkay: they also performed a hasty retrograde maneuver iirc.
davout: "i wonder how many millions of US were burnt to discover that one cannot do msb + btc in the us." <<< is there any entity who actually tried to get the license in all states ?
benkay: i wonder how many millions of US were burnt to discover that one cannot do msb + btc in the us.
benkay: i've even talked to people who made money on cryptostocks, GLBSE, bitcoinbourse (okay maybe not bourse), but you get the point.
benkay: and i've talked to people who got their money out of BCS&T - what of it?
bitcoingirl: ive spoken with people that got their bitcoins back
jurov: after the first incarnation of tradehill closed, deposited bitcoins were never seen again
benkay: (feel free to omit the +, bitcoingirl, it just indicates that this handle has voice)
benkay: such as foundation soliciting deposits and burning them on trabamborghinis?
jurov: just to name one of them
bitcoingirl: mount the charge?
benkay: lol i ain't frustrated, they don't affect me.
benkay: bitcoingirl: do you have enough yet to castrate this whole charade in the mainstream press?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Squandered their Bitcoin for dollars, but still need moar dollars.
jurov: and shrem shilled till the last moment
jurov: bitcoingirl obviously karpeles was on the board
benkay: glorious heroes in the moment
jurov: kakobrekla: click on "The Announcement"
bitcoingirl: do you think the foundation played a part in mt gox?
kakobrekla: these guys cant even math
kakobrekla: <jurov> The Committee for the Establishment... "Nejc Kodrič".."Jered Kenna" i think i made my opinion < what the fuck is this shit
bitcoingirl: patrick just sits on the board as an 'advisor'
benkay: so we begin to draw a picture of this DATA thing - they flaunt dead operations as proof of their relevance.
benkay: you'll note he was prosecuted for the scam he IPO'd himself, not S.DICE>
bitcoingirl: +benkay - so how was the SEC able to bring charges against voorhees since Mpex is overseas?
jurov: The Committee for the Establishment... "Nejc Kodrič".."Jered Kenna" i think i made my opinion
benkay: not trying to bite or anything, i'm just asking if you get the picture.
benkay: bitcoingirl: d'you get the drift?
benkay: and what authority is this? some self-styled best and first most authoritative source for the terminally blind?
jurov: evoor and wences are there
assbot: Meet the DATA Annual Meeting Speakers | DATA
benkay: http://info.datauthority.org/wordpress/blog/2014/03/25/meet-the-data-annual-meeting-speakers/
bitcoingirl: what are your thoughts on DATA then?
benkay: it's in the public record...
BingoBoingo: bitcoingirl: There is a differance between beings, and external recognition of being
benkay: one cannot delegate authority to bitcoin entities. one can only recognize them.
bitcoingirl: has any government institution around the world delegated authority to it?
kakobrekla: the TLD is pending!
bitcoingirl: what's the general consensus on MPEx becoming an SRO
kakobrekla: no coinbr account? then one must resolve to hookers.
RainMan28: coinbr? Nope, never heard of them jurov
kakobrekla: eh? nothing in the wot is far.
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jurov: bitcoingirl you prolly want this: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/03/the-sec-bares-its-gums-and-settles-with-erik/
bitcoingirl: it was just settled last week so i doubt there is new material
kakobrekla: its in the logs
bitcoingirl: did anyone here with with mircea on the SEC Voorhees case?
teward: eheh.... kakobrekla, not really, you triggered the "suspicious" flag for me, usually happens when i'm out of the loop :P
benkay: tests are passing. what was i working on before the tests all went sour?
CheckDavid: Yes. And how it is programmed into the board
fluffypony: CheckDavid: depends on the algorithm
CheckDavid: fluffypony: as far as I know they are only slow compared to asics
jurov: http://www.nature.com/news/environment-accelerate-research-on-land-creation-1.15327 huh,another leap forward?
benkay: chetty: did you read the one about bots accumulating piles of followers?
kakobrekla: > It convinced 33 per cent of the judges that it was human,
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fluffypony: AND they're slow and expensive
CheckDavid: And be repurposed easily for any other coin mining
CheckDavid: They can mine multiple algorithms
CheckDavid: kakobrekla: you know what the good thing about FPGAs is?
Swadq: Fair enough - is it something to do with adding a new exchange to the bot?
kakobrekla: its not for you prolly then
Swadq: I’m not entirely sure what the “how to get listed” section is referring to
kakobrekla: anyway you asked what is the purpuse of this chan, nobody knows but if you are going to be in one, be in this one.
CheckDavid: More like scrypt and other algos
mthreat: BingoBoingo: and they probably know that
BingoBoingo: mthreat: Of course. The thing is I'm not seeking a risky trial in front of a jury full of idiots.
mthreat: BingoBoingo: You could file a motion for speedy trial, which should force them to hold it within 90 days (in the US)
mthreat: BingoBoingo: Just read your blog post. It's a common negotiating technique to use the "I want to do X but my superior won't let me", making you feel like you're in the same side against his superior.
pankkake: there are ping/subscribe systems, but it doesn't support it
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: pankkake should rewrite it using Swift and then host it on iCloud and use push notifications from blogs
benkay: rather well, princessnell. things are cooking. yourself?
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/
mircea_popescu: pity he doesn't have an irc chan to invite them to move over (for no honorarium)
mircea_popescu: "Davos: I turned down an invitation to speak at the World Economic Congress in Davos (for no honorarium) in spite of the argument for interaction with global leaders (they sent me a list of hotshots: almost no one worth having conversation with). Id rather spend time working in a café, with real people around."
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> "AS USED BY DAVOUT" splashed across the front page << and you know the only reason - and i do mean the ONLY reason - this is not happening right now is because he's not big enough yet.
fluffypony: consequences will never be the same
mircea_popescu: yes well. there be consequences.
fluffypony: "AS USED BY DAVOUT" splashed across the front page
mircea_popescu: what then ?
mircea_popescu: whatever you do empowers whoever you're doing it with. when you fill in some webform for the retardation, you strengthen the retardation.
mircea_popescu: just so some forum tards possessed of .1 btc don't bitch about your "very poor security" which they don't grok ?
fluffypony: davout: "and then we'll get back to you within 3-7 working days"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed. I'm working on a blog post atm addressing the legal situation.
davout: the last ev cert i got was ridiculous
fluffypony: I wouldn't mind the cost if they processed stuff 24 hours a day and I got a cert within minutes
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fluffypony: hmmmm - just discovered that with ssls.com (where I get all my cheap Comodo domain validation certs from) all of their domain validation certs are 2048-bit key length max
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: missing a negative there
pankkake: because they knowbetter than you
mircea_popescu: soon the keyboards will come with word replacementchips and im going tostart using small arms on random people.
mircea_popescu: fucking "smart" peripherals and fuckingidiots making them
Littlep1: he sent me an email about the corporate failures list threatening to sue me
fluffypony just made the connection
fluffypony: oh Littlep1 is the one that commented on my Lilac Breasted Usagi bird video
mircea_popescu: you can also read the contracton mpex/discussion on trilema
Littlep1: to make an order in the future like buy a house or a car ect
Littlep1: also if u ever need to hedge the BTC price
Littlep1: but the guide on bitoin assets wiki looks much better
Littlep1: are you trying to be smart :) and promote the WOT
Apocalyptic: you're missing the point
Littlep1: ask for Paul my old boss to verify if Malcolm O ever used to work there
Littlep1: In fact that will work for you as well send them an email
Littlep1: I will just drop them an email. It has been over 3-4 years
userguy243: thanks for the voice mircea
mircea_popescu: so give them a call and ask em to please say hi to moiety if she calls for you.
mircea_popescu: yes but step with me here : i'm not trying to verify a black guy by x name worked there at some point.
Littlep1: it was pretty small i'm sure they will recall me many of them are on my linked in connections still
Littlep1: ahhhh the tall dark handsome one
Littlep1: they will be like Malcolm who >.>
Littlep1: meh ok go for it.i have not spoken with them in a while though mention I was black that might spark their memory
mircea_popescu: well unless you also get in touch with them it'll fail and i'll go "oh, littlep is that guy that tried to impersonate Malcolm Oluwasanmi on irc one day"
mircea_popescu: and you proposed i call them
mircea_popescu: anyone can claim they worked in x place years ago.
Littlep1: I used to work there years ago
Littlep1: left them any kind of message?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety hey, when you're back please call http://www.brigroup.co.uk/ ask them if a certain mr Malcolm Oluwasanmi that used to work there left you any kind of message.
Littlep1: they were not that ig jsut about 750 mil
Littlep1: or drop them an email
Littlep1: hmmmyou could always call them and ask :s
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Littlep1: to raise the funding to operate it full time
Littlep1: Then i stumbled on a way to get around the counter party risk element and decided to leave my job at Lloydsbank
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If I remember correctly bitstein does something with the Satoshi institute.
Littlep1: I was still at University then so i set up a University Investment fund in 2011
Littlep1: then i wen
mircea_popescu: a so you worked for bri and then went out on your own
Littlep1: Mostly spoke about volatile , hedging , methods to reduce risks with exotic currencies and applying the same methods to crypto currencies with the application of a risk engine.
Littlep1: It's only small im trying to create crypto investment products in the UK its called Cryptovest
Littlep1: and i thought it was really good so I sent him/her a pm thanking them since I made use of it when setting up my own
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein re http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-100549 remind me, which service do you run ?
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Littlep1: I'll study that guide and give it a go later. Interesting I often read the Trilema blog back in the day
mircea_popescu: so the noob sees it lol
kakobrekla: not sure whats the point of gribble, dont you trust my pnrg??
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Littlep1 you can meet me next year. http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
mircea_popescu: what was the question ?
kakobrekla: yeah well read the logs
Littlep1: for the world to know foreverr
Littlep1: If your the same person I think you are on Bitcoin talk
kakobrekla: you have still a few min left to complete the rest 399 steps
Littlep1: i'm going to force each one of my brokers to get this done after me and watch them all suffer
FabianB: mircea_popescu: do you have the code of mpexbot?
FabianB: kakobrekla: mpexbot used to make a pastie with a copy of the json
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well this guy was like "i have no idea what's going on"
FabianB: kakobrekla: if mpex.co is down and mpex only reachable by ircbots traders want to know the full orderbook (depth) and raw vwap
Littlep1: I see how do i Pm then ?
kakobrekla: Littlep1 this box you seen on the screen, you type stuff in and everyone that is connected in that box can see
mircea_popescu: Littlep1 so what do you do, other than btctardstalk
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Littlep1: :) I am not ashamed to say I have no clue what the hell is going on
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FabianB: mircea_popescu: hosting costs are not an issue, let me think about it; maybe we can do both, an mpexbot clone and kako integrating the missing commands as well (so an irc client doesn't have to rely on both)
kakobrekla: whats the url to that stuff again
kakobrekla: yeah ill put them on
FabianB: mircea_popescu: assbot only lacks 3 commands, if kakobrekla doesn't like to integrate them i can run an mpexbot clone, but i'd prefer the assbot route
kakobrekla: i mean the proxyies or smth
kakobrekla: wait so the dude did take mpex offline or am i reading this wrong
mircea_popescu: benkay: there's gotta be good soil down in ars << good soil requires three to six millenia's worth of menarche spilled on it. argentina soil will get there right about year 6000
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: jeezus mp, there 23 footnotes in this article << I'm the king of the footnotes, the references V.I.P
mircea_popescu: the cream here is like... okay. tolerable.
mircea_popescu: benkay: i miss the cream in argentina. << dude you have no idea what cream is. go to transylvania, have some, let me know.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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benkay: there's gotta be good soil down in ars
Vexual: dear reader, theres a grape with a name, from some faggoty hill in france, but its not about a time or a place or a name face or a taste or a style
Vexual: how long in the slow cooker?
cazalla: compared to a commerical rabbitry, they have it pretty good
TheNewDeal: they look so tasty and full of albinism
cazalla: Vexual: they get out and go up the side, more grass there but they get all sorts of food from us