kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer
chetty: case in point, people as here right off about how to get voice, and its in the chan topic, you can't miss it
pankkake: it seems the newcomers barely know how to write
fluffypony: the forum is a gold mine today!
fluffypony: "Well to sum things up, he changed millions of dollars into few cents and advised us to go out running and apply a holistic approach to the situation."
fluffypony: black and white posters printed on the office laserjet and stuck up on lamp posts is real legit
penguirker: New blog post: http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "I am going to be Bitcoin Entrepreneur soon,as i creates ideas for bitcoin and its projects.I have also given ideas to CEX.io and Coinbase and they are reviewing and forwarding to their teams.Now i am looking for any platform that accepts my ideas and buy.Is there any platform which cares user ideas and thoughts."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Map of coins: the history of cryptocurrencies from bitcoin to dogecoin and more
joesmoe: i need add the pgp key but am not sure how
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 32 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: i am authenticated
joesmoe: why does it say not authenticated
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joesmoe to user joemsoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joesmoe&dest=joemsoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joemsoe | Rated since: never
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joesmoe!~joesmoe@c-73-181-72-237.hsd1.co.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013
joesmoe: oh its the fingerprint okay i have that
jurov: and the fingerprint can be got with
jurov: it's in the wiki above
joesmoe: ahhhh maybe i'm not getting these notices because of BNC
nkuttler: there
jurov: apparently nobody has deeper knowledge of the tls protocol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: BingoBoingo asciilifeform according to pediwikia gallium is incredibly sticky and messy once it melts, and rather poisonous...so, no chains nor cutlery
pankkake: $150,000 worth of NSF-supported computer use at the two universities to generate bitcoins worth about $8,000 to $10,000
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Amazing how persistent these things can be.
pankkake: tradition. because computers weren't in the broken 16:9 ratio
BingoBoingo: Why have panels taking up scarce space at the top or bottom when they can go on the side (one of the things Unity got right)
BingoBoingo: OMG look at the review of everything that doesn't matter in an OS http://delightlylinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/xubuntu-14-04-released/
punkman: BingoBoingo: is there a log of ATC diff changes somewhere?
BingoBoingo: Indeed. The most profitable move in ATC might be to bet large on yes, wait for people to match it and then add 1TH/s a week to ATC's baseline hashpower until the bet resolves.
punkman: you'd also make ATC to offset the costs
BingoBoingo: If the pot gets big enough.
punkman: I'm wondering if it will make sense for the Yes side to rent some extra hashing power at certain points
BingoBoingo: Sleep well then.
TheNewDeal: there's a lot of fudge room
BingoBoingo: I think it is going to be hard to add enough hashpower these next 34 days to keep up with dying equiptment and raise the difficulty all that much.
TheNewDeal: the network has to average around 6% over 3 diff changes
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Maybe we wait a week. At the moment I think it looks like a bit like your side is more likely, but it is close to a coin flip.
TheNewDeal: how do you think the outcome will look?
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's the problem. We're looking at different things. You have a large stake in a probable bet, and I'm willing to offer a hedge so you can avoid a total loss. I'd be willing to unload part of my position, but... I am not an insurance company.
TheNewDeal: you bet later than i did, and on the less probable outcome (in my opinion)
TheNewDeal: heres the thing
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think you might be trying to complicate this thing more than it needs to be complicated.
TheNewDeal: I'm using the current no and yes totals
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: The Bitbet.py numbers are a bit off for these new bets because it figures the new sum into the No pile.
TheNewDeal: the thing is I have to take in my whole stake
BingoBoingo: I might be amenable to .33 BTC at 25000 weight... the line looks like No 25000 0.33000000 1.65041127 1.32041127
TheNewDeal: that's probably undesireable then?
TheNewDeal: what are the last two columns?
TheNewDeal: which would be drastically reduced from the 370%+ you have now
BingoBoingo: As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from BitBet.py on the Bastille Day Bet http://dpaste.com/1Y574AF/
BingoBoingo: Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious.
TheNewDeal: Yes is the most likely scenario
BingoBoingo: And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No)
TheNewDeal: I've got to go get some food before the bar closes
BingoBoingo: Ah, so what works again? You want to pay ? for a stake with the timeweight adjusted upwards? Wouldn't it be easier to adjust the price paid or the portion of the stake purchased?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: So for 0.5 BTC of my no stake you would pay 0.? BTC
TheNewDeal: the yes pays less than half a percent at 1 btc
TheNewDeal: secondly, if there are, it will only help my position
TheNewDeal: first off, I don't think there will be any late bettors here
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm thinking rather than adjusting time weight which could create a bit of a pickle if a lot of large late betting acticity swoops in we consider the matter of pricing a 0.5 stake in terms of the premium or discount applied to 0.5 BTC to purchase it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium << Ga is typically found in bauxite, so it had to wait for cheap Al refinement.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'd actually be more interested in swapping a fraction of the no for a fraction of the Yes. If we are trading Bitcoin against the position... I'd maybe be interested in offering a bit of extra timeweight.
TheNewDeal: let's say I were to send you a fraction of a BTC (let's say a half) on the no bet. Would you consider giving me a larger timeweight than what you have bet at?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Assume we are hedgine and trading smaller amounts. Who would we price deciBitcoin portions of each position.
TheNewDeal: the maximum i stand to make on my yes prop is 1.25 btc with 5.6 bet (assuming no more NO bets come)
TheNewDeal: besides the point
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Yeah, but I usually like to survey the whole field at once. Creates a real appreciation of time weight
TheNewDeal: but it's easy enough for me to quickly find the payout of one or two bets
mike_c: blech. i feel another bitbet blog post coming on.
mike_c: old skool. it should grab the json.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It's a simple tool. You past in the lines from bitbet and get the whole thing laid out.
mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime..
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm curious, are you running Bitbet.py?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It could though which is why the pricing of these things and how to do it is so important.
BingoBoingo: How do we go about pricing No at a weight TheNewDeal versus yes at a weight?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, let's not reveal the particular bet since we are miming what making such a deal would look like and Assume I have this position http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#b39 And would like to swap half of the balance for a favorably priced yes position.
TheNewDeal: perhaps it was around the time MPIF came about?
TheNewDeal: hmmm I'm going to have to do some research. thought I read something that said they were upping the amount of BTC bet
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not afaik
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets << you know investors can readily revbiew this as they're all published
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure. That's about half of the question's answer. What of instead of BTC for positions the trade was positions for positions?
TheNewDeal: the trade would work like this
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Supposed you did, because we were both looking to hedge. How would this trade work?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: How do these arrangements work? Suppose I wanted to trade some of my no for your yes, how do we price these?
TheNewDeal: the way its reported now is just obscure
TheNewDeal: but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets
TheNewDeal: will bitbet start reporting the results of their bets in the manner I was talking about yesterday?
TheNewDeal: I play around with my model a little bit and try to make it look realist. Gribble and bitcoinwisdom are pretty much looking at something like the last 500 or 1000 blocks and predicting off that
mircea_popescu: but what's the point/use for a changing prediction ?
TheNewDeal: updating TheNewDeal's prediction to 6.3%
TheNewDeal: I'm very sad I didn't get to see the sexy Sharapova in action :(
mircea_popescu: at some point the russian fowled 5 serves in a row
mircea_popescu: i caught it starting with the 4-6 6-7 1-0 moment
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, the coffee shop i happenedto stop for my pasteleria today (which dubs itself as a "local de encuentro" and during the night time doubles as a whorehouse) just happened to run the match on a large screen
TheNewDeal: usually the sports ones are sparse
TheNewDeal: I love mango and I love ginger, but I haven't had the combination. Sounds like an indian dish to me
mike_c: best part of winning a bitbet: gloating in the comments.
TheNewDeal: loved the mango and ginger breakfast picture as well
asciilifeform: think how many potentially-interesting folks are floating there still.
asciilifeform: in retrospect, being cast ashore from the shit-ocean was astonishingly good fortune.
asciilifeform: ban isn't quite the word here
asciilifeform: tbh, i wasn't properly banned from any of them.
mircea_popescu: just how many of these social media sites did you get banned from ?
asciilifeform: (lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.')
asciilifeform: this is sometimes done in academia. as described in an infamous crackpot essay, 'stealing the chaos':
asciilifeform: this kind of thing is the norm in techno-derpatronics
asciilifeform: ^ a problem gleefully re-introduced by quite a few 'language of the day!' designers
gribble: Funarg problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funarg_problem>; The FUNARG Problem Explained - Software Preservation Group: <http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf>; FUNARG Problem - DSpace@MIT: <http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/5854/AIM-199.pdf>
mircea_popescu: anyway, fun to see people on these very successful sites are lively debating solved problems in fain, years ago. makes my asshole swell.
mircea_popescu: The Reddit discussion model is completely oriented towards providing the fast food of news commentary, where your << missing 1st line
mircea_popescu: h, and of course, no one but the people I responded to will ever read the things I wrote hours after the thread dropped off the front page."
mircea_popescu: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I can easily follow 50+ page PHPbb threads that drag on for months or even years, or 4chan threads with hundreds of posts and more on the way every time you refresh, but a small conversation (in reality; I considered it huge by my HN standards) I had on here the other day with about 10 comments or so made my head spin. I wrote half the posts and it was still hard to follow! O
mircea_popescu: "enjoyment of the first look you take at a comment page is prioritized over active participation. That's great if you're trying to attach ads to pictures of cats, but if you're trying to have a real conversation, it just gets in the way. I can read, I don't need an algorithm to tell me which comments are notable and which ones are junk. If I see a troll post on any other site, I don't seize up and have an aneurism, I j
mircea_popescu: it's utterly dependent on you living in a boring environment. or in other words, if shunning works, your life sucks.
mircea_popescu: dub so the guy you're "shunning" twists your nipples.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the kids in charge have some deep seated issues with this sort of passive-agressive nonsense.
mircea_popescu: dub actually the material i've seen included a lot of derping about how fucking horrible and psychologically blabla that is.
asciilifeform: he logs out - they're gone.
BingoBoingo: What the fuck. Someone provokes annoyance in good faith and the response is now to lie and cover yourself in shit so they don't want to be seen around you?
mircea_popescu: "i have talked to some people i won't name about some things i won't name but take my word on it that it's relevant, and they said my stupidity is entirely correct"
mircea_popescu: "That said, every community is different. I've personally talked to people in charge of large online communities ones you probably participate in every day and part of the reason those communities haven't broken down into utter chaos by now is because they secretly hellban and slowban their most problematic users. "
BingoBoingo: Is there a link to when this announcement was announced?
mircea_popescu: dub the fuzz is after you now ?
asciilifeform: dub: the infamous 'pencil in space capsule' problem
dub: the fibers can easily be made fuzz. Being crushed and shortened in unit length, staple tends to become fly or dusts with ease and dispersed into atmosphere.Their Carbon Fiber users are advised to be careful not to dispose naked skins to the fibers and to take deliberate dusts cleaning measures naked skins.
asciilifeform: announcement << i'll take the shot. mp to sell warehouses in Ar for btc.
mircea_popescu: nobody can point to such a broken spot on the interwebs, but nevertheless the apparent abundance of such is why every lemming wears plaid.
mircea_popescu: yet each and every one will pass this bit of "oh, leaving behind the broken spot"
mircea_popescu: this is such an amusing thing, because of all the utterly meaningless forums out there pretending to be communities and deluding themselves as to their own relevancy, not a single one would admit it's a failure
mircea_popescu: "But in the absence of some system of law, the tiny minority of users out to do harm intentionally or not eventually drive out all the civil community members, leaving behind a lawless, chaotic badland."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I wonder why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium.
asciilifeform: there was to be an announcement ?
mircea_popescu: pure and simple, at some point in whatever, 1995, some derp with a blog/forum/platform came up with the idea of BANNING
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna talk about nonsense items and the rotten paradigms they create and perpetuate ? teh banhammer. worse than risc.
thestringpuller: Hacker News has always throught they mattered I though...
asciilifeform: for a turdmeister, wielding the banhammer isn't really satisfying unless he imagines that he's adding heretics to an all-important 'index librorum prohibitorum'
mircea_popescu: hacker news seriously thinks they matter somehow ?!
mircea_popescu: Shame on me for continually pointing out this communitys obsession over being the glorious master race of online discussion whilst poo-pooing the cesspools of filthy casuals like Reddit or, god forbid, Slashdot.
mircea_popescu: like the mercury/ford
mircea_popescu: so theykinda have a bit of an identity issue
dub: the past caught up and is nutpunching me
mircea_popescu: o wait, because basically both hn and reddit are owned by the same dead media conglomerate is it
mircea_popescu: "It was autodeaded, presumably because of my use of the term circlejerk, which HN is quite sensitive to."
mike_c: this could be like oprah leaving cable. he's not bigger than the journal.
mircea_popescu: speech that brings forth the cognitive dissonance one's priors suffer at the hands of reality is trolling
mircea_popescu: like the true scotsman
mircea_popescu: "Reddit seems to be one of the only places you can have true freedom of speech on the internet, and it thrives thanks to it. "
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as zombie is allowed to continue to exist, zombie is well advised to not be too critical of the decay process.
asciilifeform: all i can surmise is, pg would rather not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait what ?! they don't discuss nsa ?~!
mircea_popescu: assbot> » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER << all these important things i've missed out on while doing other things.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. // y'all ain't even seen me in my heels yet
asciilifeform: the interesting thing isn't that pg & co. zap posts they aren't particularly fond of. rather more interesting: the elaborate gymnastics to maintain a pretense of being an uncensored forum.
asciilifeform: the auto-zap for nsa-related crap is especially entertaining (folks keep finding ways around it, mods play whackamole)
asciilifeform: ^ taken on an apple box dusted off for the occasion, purposefully
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's also an inescapable fact of life for idiots who insist on maintaining appearance of 'democracy!' while keeping the signal to noise ratio within some bounds
mircea_popescu: other that being easy and cheap
mircea_popescu: it has disadvantages in place of all the advantages, and no redeeming advantages whatsoever
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, hellbanning is exactly the opposite of this chan's +m
mircea_popescu: "Another common criticism of this practice has been that while in theory, it's a smart and effective way to discourage trolling, in actuality, the trolls and spammers are the first to become wise to this, and instead many innocent users get hurt, being unaware of what's going on."
assbot: Loper OS » Tenser, Said the Censor [*]
asciilifeform has the honour of running a site hellbanned on hn.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: for some reason i thought the subject was forbidden there - unless posted by authorized phoundation shill
assbot: The Sovereignty of God Versus Man-Made Religions, Hollywood Movies & Petty Emotionalism - YouTube
PeterGriffin: god hates you if your not the non elect
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: motherboard << ?
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
PeterGriffin: god hates you if your not the non elect
PeterGriffin: what up moither fuckers
BingoBoingo: Namworld: What, and let the people who death ray'd his new MOBO death ray the Pineapples!!!
Namworld: So... do we get to know the total cost?
mircea_popescu: mike_c he held the thing by the fucking blade, too. a 12 inch knife sharp enough to slice beef on touch
gribble: Just Lather, That's All: <http://www2.ups.edu/faculty/velez/LAS100/tellez.htm>; Tellez, Just Lather, That's All: <http://www.tc.umn.edu/~ston0235/3302/readings/tellez.pdf>; Just Lather, That's All - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6x-7WXbBH4>
asciilifeform: ;;google just lather that's all
mircea_popescu: and speaking of jewish deli, you should have seen this butcher get the steak off the bone.
mircea_popescu: the outlets can't be similar, because podunk doesn't have jewish delis.
mircea_popescu: but this is the highest quality products baby :)
Namworld: Barring shopping at a place with higher quality products. The outlets would need to be similar in both place.
Namworld: They don't, but assuming a large amount of varied goods, probably rarely more difference than 10%-15% for the same stuff.
mircea_popescu: "This white paper seeks to put forth the economic and technical reasons that the digital tokens known as AppCoins can develop a value in the market and maintain their value over the long term, should their associated application gain adoption by users. "
mircea_popescu: worchestershire (known here as "salsa inglesa") they were out of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the heinz is a direct import.
asciilifeform: ignoring the question of whether these things ('as printed on the crate', rather than doctored substitutes) can even be had in usa.
gribble: Mercado del Progreso | WhatsUpBuenosAires: <http://www.whatsupbuenosaires.com/news/Mercado_del_Progreso>; Mercado del Progreso – Buenos Aires, Argentina | publicmarkets.com: <http://publicmarkets.com/mercado-del-progreso/>; Caballito, Buenos Aires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caballito,_Buenos_Aires>
mircea_popescu: no, 15km is the whole round trip. market is like 5ish miles away
mircea_popescu: the blockchain is a bettercook than benkay
mike_c: i could only guess at the cab ride. i'm a better cook than benkay but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes.
asciilifeform: ~400 if you want actual (vs. synthetic) foods.
mircea_popescu: then in an hour or so i tell teh truth.
mircea_popescu: gonna paste the list in here, anyone's welcome to guess either us, romania or buenos aires prices for the lot
mircea_popescu: admitting against all evidence that there even exists a distinmction between stupid and poor.
benkay: and weren't you just harping on the upsides to a size-constrained block? more competition for limited resources?
benkay: so this implies a rather hard fork.
mircea_popescu: benkay " let me know when it's realistic." << let me explain realistic. if there's 4k txn a second, which weigh a conservative 512 bytes each, at 512 seconds per block you get...
asciilifeform: 'sparkletina' is apparently a 'key word' used by various u.s. (?) folks who wish they could move there
mircea_popescu: the us "scene" is like greenspun's ciclid association. all dorks.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever. << this is true.
benkay: although i haven't found the signing functionality in bitc yet - mebbe Mats_cd03 makes that happen
benkay: yeah, jurov pointed out that it's not actually dependent on the bc
benkay: asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever.
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone? << this is likely lol
asciilifeform pictures the inevitable solar-powered automatic vandalizer controlled via blockchain...
asciilifeform: fluffypony: linked from same: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-graffiti-drone-an-interview-with-katsu
fluffypony: the NYPD commissioner looks like he'll eat your children for breakfast
mike_c: yeah, there you go. classic storage device for non-flippin bits.
asciilifeform: blockchain is more or less an ideal application for tape (and any other non-randomaccess medium)
gribble: ArVid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid>; Using Video Recorders for Backup - Stuart Cheshire: <http://stuartcheshire.org/rants/VideoBackup.html>; Arvid Gerstmann - Android Apps on Google Play: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Arvid+Gerstmann>
asciilifeform: speaking of the blockchain storage discussion from earlier - anyone remember 'ArVid' ?