mike_c: :) plus, i actually hold some PG and i ain't selling that either.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're a sovereign yourself, ready able and willing to go to war with the sovereigns backing them
mircea_popescu: you're young and therefore naive :)
mircea_popescu: a rather close approximation of mpex, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: it's owned by the chinese govt, and a tool of its foreign policy.
mircea_popescu: there. 95.
mircea_popescu: the 0.21 d eps is in RMB yuans
mike_c: your definite is in some other currency.
mircea_popescu: so there. this is a definite.
mircea_popescu: http://www.icbc-ltd.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/ICBC/Resources/ICBCLTD/download/2014/FirstQuarterlyReportof2014.pdf << the icbc statement
mike_c: see? they added a zero.
mircea_popescu: i think they use an avg
mircea_popescu: thing has like half a million emplouyees all over theworld.
BingoBoingo: OMG It's another LABCOIN!!! Amazing Petro!!!
mircea_popescu: and icbc is actually listed... on the fucking pink sheets. idcby
cazalla: i don't think there are any australian ones, i think BHP Billiton has cap of like 50-60b
mircea_popescu: 157 pe there you go
mike_c: hm, the petrochina ADR i see has $225b cap and pe 11
mike_c: others are proctor/gamble, novartis, and royal dutch.
mike_c: google is the one that got me looking.
mircea_popescu: how about the china oil corp ?
mike_c: challenging, right? these companies shouldn't exist.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: something big about to go down << mp did mention preparing some new thing
jurov: http://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/M/Mccarthy,%20Wil/Wil%20McCarthy%20-%20The%20Technetium%20Rush.pdf
jurov: high-value coinage. “Hard, bright, untarnishable and rare, it would be the
mike_c: don't be stuck in the 90's. usability should never trump slick design.
mike_c: you guys need to start taking the right decisions.
BingoBoingo: Even supposing the thing identifies tylenol it isn't identifying any interesting high molecular weight compounds
asciilifeform: seems like the homeland seekoority bozos might've swallowed it.
asciilifeform: the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked.
BingoBoingo: Even then, I'd expect it to report a lot of cornstarch, stearate and lipid esters
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is one concern. The other is identifying tylenol through the tablet's way?
asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the claim of protein/fat content through surface ir spectroscopy is truly precious.
dignork: asciilifeform: for the pills - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo
mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers"
asciilifeform: don't keep these 'coins' with your bank cards...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suggested it as 'coin' simply as thought experiment in generalizing the 'use-value' of btc. that is, material that cannot be confused with anything else (Hg, for instance, on top of being rather common, can be substituted with 'gallinstan' alloy. but you can't raise melting point of Ga by mixing in impurities - only lower it)
asciilifeform: predictable until some bozo starts buying by the megaton.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also helps to remember that this 'gold' is approximately as abundant as lead in the earth's crust. but, considerably more energy-costly to extract (byproduct of Al refinement)
BingoBoingo: At least it does on the portable.
BingoBoingo: It might take what, 1, 2 kilograms to fill a small fountain? The gallium might need changed out every couple seasons due to impurities?
asciilifeform: i'd leave this gedankenexperiment on the shelf. just because you can, doesn't mean that you must. but, on the other hand, nobody's gonna play tungsten games with 'gold' that's liquid at 30c.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I think retaliation from the Gallium upbidding cartel could take the form of upbidding Indium. iPhones can have problems too.
BingoBoingo: I like the gallium torroid idea. I was thinking I might be useful for creating small bronze scultpures that could be remoulded almost like clay.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> if it just works they don't need you anymore. << i need him more when it works.
fluffypony: you killed my father! prepare to die!
mircea_popescu: from the life of a cryptolord :
asciilifeform not quite awake, and doing 3 other things
assbot: If You Ever Want To Be In Love by James Bay on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
benkay: containers for the derpy
kakobrekla: i think thats the rendering from lynx.
assbot: Skydive by Astronauts. on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
benkay remembers to go down to the server room and unplug some client hardware
mike_c: if it just works they don't need you anymore.
fluffypony: "Who will clinch the ill trophy"
mike_c: ooh, is that the super-sekrit bitbet mod page?
TomServo: In the same article about the Mingo judge, they mention he tried to frame the husband of some woman he was fucking and was charged for that as well.
mircea_popescu: U.S. Magistrate Judge Dwane Tinsley set the arraignment for August 21, 2013 and released Thornsbury on a $10,000 unsecured bond.
mircea_popescu: "[Judge Thornsbury] engaged in criminal conspiracies to violate the constitutional rights of victim R.W. . .Judge Thornsbury conspired to plant illegal drugs on R.W.'s pickup truck; to have R.W. arrested for thefts he did not commit; to commandeer a state grand jury and use it to oppress R.W. and his family; and, after an incident in which R.W. was the victim of an assault, to arrange for R.W., rather than the perpetra
asciilifeform: TomServo: that's the other kind of animal. reminiscent of the folks who still try to weasel their way into usa
asciilifeform: what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far...
mircea_popescu: you'll probablystill go to jail, but note that STILL in there.
mircea_popescu: do the fucking opposite.
mircea_popescu: never, ever, under any circumstances do what any agency tells you. not the sec, not the irs, not the judge, no one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen
TomServo: Oh yeah, that rings a bell. What was the bounty on that?
chetty: bing0! asciilifeform you got it, they are indeed a whole different species
pankkake: sure, but the prison sentence isn't useful in that way. will this teach other bureaucrats?
asciilifeform: pankkake: it 'worked' in this case - for removal of troublesome bureaucrat by another of his species
chetty: depends what they are supposed to do
pankkake: the general thinking is "I'll get away with it"
TomServo: right. And the guy with 15 years gets no reprieve?
asciilifeform: chicoms cornered the market
mircea_popescu: TomServo the best part is where they discuss how "a stiff sentence was appropriate" and then the sentence is... 4 years.
asciilifeform: a lizard goes to the clink when a fatter, more senior lizard wishes it, and not at any other time
asciilifeform: chetty: what i'm suggesting is that this particular specimen 'needed to have problems' - for some reason obviously not stated in the gov. press release.
TomServo: The sentence comes after Thornsbury admitted his role in a conspiracy to coerce a local drug defendant, George White, into firing his defense counsel.
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd be surprised if every judge in usa weren't guilty of these and other crimes. but this one is removed. --> for reasons.
asciilifeform: rp doesn't - all it does is reposition x11 windows created by other progs
asciilifeform: benkay: perhaps i did not explain well. most wm actually draw something of their own on the screen - window boundaries, toggles, clocks, etc.
asciilifeform: there are other tiling wm, but they all seem to insist on being 'better' - i.e. actually outputting something extra
asciilifeform: it only gives other things a place to live
asciilifeform: 'ratpoison' doesn't - but if it did, all you'd have to do is change its own bindings (they're all configurable)
benkay: granted this pernicious notion was planted in my head by the notorious lee, so i don't know if it carries any water.
benkay: i have to admin, i tend to eschew the window mgr in favor of...emacs. app-tab over to...browsers.
asciilifeform: benkay: the wm 'ratpoison', imho, looks better than osx. i.e., it doesn't draw extraneous crud on the display at all...
benkay: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. // see also smbx
davout: jborkl: dotcoin is the same
jborkl: I still do not know if he is the biggest idiot on the planet or just a scammer playing idiot
fluffypony: jborkl: to quote usagi - "You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling."
mircea_popescu: princessnell "Visions receive more attention than game plans. We know we want to decentralize, at least. Growing pains notwithstanding, the old ways simply will not do. Power corrupts, we are reminded from birth. The worst get on top, fewer learn later. Men are not angels but too many of them still run the world. No, our doomed synthetic seraphocracy must go." your prose needs better ligature.
mircea_popescu: sure, he's inventing the future of crypto
mircea_popescu: i like him too, and feel thesame way
fluffypony: I like Peter Todd, I feel like his efforts are wasted / stymied by many others around him
fluffypony: asciilifeform: thanks for the updated defective bird pic, it has come in handy - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7234573#msg7234573
mircea_popescu: course in my mind it's more like bitcoin-dev's johhny come lately attempt at making a bitcoin-assets without the ass in it
fluffypony: it's the /r/BitcoinSerious version of #bitcoin-dev
chetty: save screen time and line the bird cage :)
mircea_popescu: reading is not just techne is the problem. which is why there exists such a thing as the educated idiot.
chetty: people can't be bothered to read mostly, much less evaluate the content in any reasonable manner
mircea_popescu: people derping about how "we" should live in a world without rape conveniently tend to not mention that rape is in fact the only cure to the particular mental disease that constitutes their powerbase.
mircea_popescu: and the prescription for this disease is... rape.
mircea_popescu: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' <<< quite exactly.
asciilifeform: better - sure. but when you come across a lamer - he's already paying what a very reasonable education would cost - the price of his net connection.
chetty: nah the travel is better, earn your audience with an expert
asciilifeform: chetty: somehow people once imagined that not having to travel over sea and through jungle to visit the experts - would solve this.
chetty: asciilifeform, a lot of that problem might actually be there are so few real experts
asciilifeform: '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...'
ThickAsThieves: Then, Shared Send was discontinued. Even the old URL for Shared Send (https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared) redirects to their SharedCoin page now."
ThickAsThieves: For a while, Shared Send was the only option. Then SharedCoin was introduced and for a while they were both available in the blockchain.info wallet.
ThickAsThieves: "There used to be something called Shared Send, which was an actual taintless bitcoin mixer and not just a CoinJoin plausible-deniability transaction obfuscator.
jurov: btw, how it went with the robin?
asciilifeform killed the last two mice in old flat with own hands, still had to... clean after
mircea_popescu: the only ones under your own control.
mircea_popescu: i ordinarily punish people for things they perceive are "well outside their control"
mircea_popescu: something sans pareil in all otherapproaches.
mircea_popescu: it encourages the mice to organise and clean up your kitchen
mircea_popescu: blaming the mice is an excellent strategy.
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asciilifeform: ;;google don't blame the mice
asciilifeform: mice belong in mousetrap, yes. but the kitchen remains filthy.
mircea_popescu: i will blame the mice.
mircea_popescu: mike_c mind making the columns on your splendid tracker red and green ?
asciilifeform: TLS/SSL bug... hasn?t been found for over 16 years << don't blame the fscking mice...
mike_c: honestly i would rather see a btc investment that bought commodities rather than real estate. with the REITS I feel like people are expecting a BTC return. no one would think that with a commodity fund (similar to x.eur).
asciilifeform: (anyone seriously thinking about bidding up Ga should remember that it is a strategic metal - radar sets live and die by GaAs diodes. so anyone who fucks with the supply is liable to Can Also Have Problems)
davout: thestringpuller: "France sounds annoying." <<< wait until you hear french people
asciilifeform: if you have two electrodes, put a current through it, while surrounded by electromagnet, it will move x cm up the ring in response to Y amps...
asciilifeform: you could weigh the metal purely electronically
asciilifeform: but in that case the ampoule could not be full. you must be able to tilt it, to expose electrode (perhaps a scammer simply placed a resistor there)
asciilifeform: well, 'fake' in this case is, achieve the melting point, with a well-conductive substance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the definityion of a fake is not being useful.
asciilifeform: that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium
mircea_popescu: i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things.
mircea_popescu: more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about
asciilifeform: the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand)
jurov: just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks
jurov: there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of
asciilifeform: at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame.
asciilifeform: there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think
mircea_popescu: but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency
jurov: if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for
jurov: if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately
asciilifeform: jurov: and it can stay in the bottle.
asciilifeform: jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density.
mike_c: "The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date."
mike_c: that might be raising $100m, not the valuation
pankkake: GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter
mircea_popescu: godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ?
mircea_popescu: in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis
mike_c: in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it.
mircea_popescu: jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps
mircea_popescu: mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to
jurov: and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself"
jurov: whether we authorized it
mike_c: circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video)
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise this at the time.
mircea_popescu: you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right
mircea_popescu: "allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key"
mircea_popescu: "The biggest reason why the bug hasnt been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. "
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thestringpuller: Well their shipping practices.
thestringpuller: I don't sell outside the US just sending you and MP cookies.
thestringpuller: Don't they open packages at customs?
pankkake: just sell your cookies on the darknets
thestringpuller: fluffypony informed me yesterday of the harsh import laws
thestringpuller: yea davout we are in R&D got held up. the chef is going to bonnaroo this week. Took me a lot to train him.
davout: thestringpuller: oic, weren't you supposed to send me a cookie for some reason i forgot?
los_pantalones: so you think bitstamp is the market rate ?
los_pantalones: but i want to know what you think the going price is
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what rate do you think is market rate?
thestringpuller: my business runs in fiat and I want to migrate the operating revenue into btc
fluffypony: davout: apparently even their Enterprise packages for > $100k daily are flat fee and not %
davout: thestringpuller: what is it you're doing ?
xmj: thestringpuller: have you looked into coinvoice?
thestringpuller: i'd rather just have a continuous supplier like a miner I can just pay
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yeah, they've been doing flat pricing for a while already - https://bitpay.com/pricing
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what is market rate?
davout: the fees can explode depending on your business and your fraud profile
thestringpuller: I guess I'm just bitter since back in the day I could buy BTC pretty much at market price with 0.5% in fees.
thestringpuller: so they finally are doing flat fees
fluffypony: thestringpuller: Bitpay is 1% on starter, else $30/month no fees
fluffypony: now is the time to move away from liquidity and go towards solidity
thestringpuller: The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors...
fluffypony: did they ban China?
thestringpuller: Damn the US fucked everything up for Bitcoin users here.
pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous
fluffypony: needs moar context in the bash, ah well
kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING
jurov: there's laughter in every slaughter
pankkake: actually there might have been a year ago, when I wasn't very active
pankkake: the logs are public but I don't remember that much
fluffypony: you just have to be here and read the conversation
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user drawingthesun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=drawingthesun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=drawingthesun | Rated since: never
fluffypony: ;;gettrust drawingthesun
gribble: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
fluffypony: ;;get trust drawingthesun
fluffypony: !up drawingthesun
jurov: dare they try in eastern eu
jurov: so they just send you stuff and expect you to eventually pay later?
pankkake: danielpbarron: i've seen a few of those cases; overly enthusiastic towards things they don't fully understand
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg7231252#msg7231252 at least the whole thing made someone smarter. not sure about the rest of them though
jurov: punkman there's <name>.dot-bit.org or such
punkman: do they have something more low level? so you don't need a plugin for every app
Apocalyptic: they have one afaik
punkman: I guess .onions are in the same boat though
kakobrekla: who issues tlds there
kakobrekla: do buttcoin then
jurov: One or more of the domain names in your order contain a registered trademark. DAFUQ
jurov: the .partners