BingoBoingo: Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones...
asciilifeform: (what did the corpses have in common)
asciilifeform: they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle
asciilifeform: the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency)
asciilifeform: at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here!
decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well?
decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well
BingoBoingo: Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats
asciilifeform: what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before?
decimation: how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island)
decimation: her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop
asciilifeform: that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two
BingoBoingo: Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so.
decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water)
decimation: for example, I read this story in the morning paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25730375/estate-of-late-state-health-director-files
BingoBoingo: Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/
asciilifeform: don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though
asciilifeform: decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s
decimation: re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason
decimation: I think unisys bought the main library vendor
asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows
BingoBoingo: And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving...
decimation: I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors
decimation: I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd
decimation: I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison'
BingoBoingo: decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit.
asciilifeform: the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support
decimation: old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers)
asciilifeform: (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.)
decimation: this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas
decimation: these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm
BingoBoingo: Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane.
asciilifeform: AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx
decimation: well, the can be "replaced", FAA style
asciilifeform: proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced.
BingoBoingo: Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35
decimation: well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware...
asciilifeform: there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work
asciilifeform: i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age
BingoBoingo: So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts?
asciilifeform: re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months?
decimation: Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30.
asciilifeform: what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret:
BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz.
asciilifeform: and, of course, the owner.
asciilifeform: the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu)
BingoBoingo: A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more.
asciilifeform: the man is in his 80s i think
asciilifeform: not sure if he has any left to sell these days
asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.
gribble: The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0>; The Price is Wrong - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6Uz67u4xM>; The Price Is Wrong Bitch GIFs on Giphy: <http://giphy.com/search/the-price-is-wrong-bitch>
BingoBoingo: ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics...
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."
decimation: ascii as in super mario brothers?
asciilifeform: decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck
asciilifeform: (in approximately the same way emacs does)
decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target
BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.
decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests
BingoBoingo: Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks
asciilifeform: the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null.
asciilifeform: educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to?
decimation: something other than market forces are operating here
decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set
BingoBoingo: And now the world burns
decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl
BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5
asciilifeform: and other unspeakables
asciilifeform: not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows
asciilifeform: at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios'
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....
asciilifeform: and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk
asciilifeform: the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc)
BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...
BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"
decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island
decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"
decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware
asciilifeform: decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem
decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware
asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones.
asciilifeform: the difference is not irrelevant in practice
decimation: it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/
decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows
asciilifeform: i suspect they only test under winblows
decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?
decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook
BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room
BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.
BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.
asciilifeform: the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter...
BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...
BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check
asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.
BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?
asciilifeform: [insert the tired old mozart joke here]
asciilifeform: (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs)
asciilifeform: in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right
BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...
benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.
asciilifeform: ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook
benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?
mircea_popescu: so grep the log for unique ips
asciilifeform: 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.'
asciilifeform: (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist)
BingoBoingo: Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked.
asciilifeform: mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests :
BingoBoingo: Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else...
asciilifeform: gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia'
BingoBoingo: Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age.
BingoBoingo: The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II
gribble: George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: <http://orwell.ru/library/articles/ABomb/english/e_abomb>; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/05/business/la-fi-mh-orwells-atomic-20131104>; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: <http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html>
asciilifeform: ;;google you and the atomic bomb
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase.
BingoBoingo: And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity
asciilifeform: modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam
mircea_popescu: and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic.
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage
asciilifeform: mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason)
mike_c: asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no?
mircea_popescu: jborkl welcome to the internet.
jborkl: My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours
asciilifeform: gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive.
mircea_popescu: plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon
mircea_popescu: mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but
mircea_popescu: mike_c just the seeking part.
mike_c: what, it plunks in the middle?
mircea_popescu: mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses
mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014&bots=true#488932
dub: benkay reinforces another jew stereotype
BingoBoingo: Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now...
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ =====
asciilifeform: so they all got rocketed.
asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/10/the_official_live_thread_of_the_south_carolina_and_virginia_primaries.html
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet...
asciilifeform: can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method
BingoBoingo: I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked...
BingoBoingo: Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations.
asciilifeform: consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay.
BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters.
asciilifeform: what other shirt has 'obvious' price
BingoBoingo: I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports...
BingoBoingo: I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away.
mircea_popescu: the historyof nonsense is still scholarship
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it <<
asciilifeform: ^ the piece in question
asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'
asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'
asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'
asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'
asciilifeform: not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...)
asciilifeform: and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation
asciilifeform: folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor
asciilifeform: that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it
asciilifeform: that narrowed the candidate list to 1.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad
BingoBoingo: Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists.
BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs
BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free
mircea_popescu: anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ?
BingoBoingo: Oops thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: Were we still looking at the back part of July?
BingoBoingo: I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes)
BingoBoingo: One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D
mircea_popescu: mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too
mthreat: mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here
BingoBoingo: mircea_inglesa: I have a feeling the Argentines are going to start refering to Bitcoin as Money Inglesa before too long...
mircea_popescu: about 4% of the monetary mass in circulation sold out, bitcoin dropped from 5.3 to 4.5, and people were in agreeemnt that it's prolly the end
mircea_popescu: this is an article about the black monday, which you're prolly mostly too young to remember.
BingoBoingo: Jobs to revive in the serene republic http://www.birchingtonheritage.org.uk/articles/dogacre.htm
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: Stop!... Shovel time!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? << no. because it'd be racist.
mircea_popescu: "Based on a statistical analysis of the recovered passwords, Hýa constructed two character sets that stood the best chance of quickly cracking the remaining undeciphered passcodes. The shorter of the two contained just 28 characters: acdehiklmnorstu01234579!-.@_"
mircea_popescu: Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. << yeah the shatter factor is a problem. also, god help you if you're trying to carry say a 20 lb bag of them in the street.
assbot: Eduardo deCastro, CEO, receiving the wafers! | HashFast
mike_c: well, they know better
mircea_popescu: and on top of it, they get all butthurt when they're treated to a heapful of stfu and go read the logs for a year on the FIRST announcement.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" << fucking exactly.
mike_c: mthreat: amzn doesn't count, they aren't trying to make money.
mike_c: aapl is under $100 now! totally a good reason for the stock to shoot up 20%!
mircea_popescu: im actually mildly short on us crapola, from google to the rest of the "Tech" sector.