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dub: the emergency service arguemtn for pots is fast becomming irrelevant as teh network becomes less resilient
dub: I have pots signal on my dsl line but I couldnt tell you the number
asciilifeform: so they're slowly going extinct
dub: nobody has a hardline these days so its a valid offering
Mats_cd03: neat, ill have something else i can do with the device im ordering
asciilifeform: all u.s. providers, last i checked, charged exactly the same on femtocell.
asciilifeform: yeah, pay per minute for the privilege of using own hardware.
asciilifeform: before the telco 'network extender' gizmos were sold (incidentally, a scam - the telco still charges for minutes despite using the chump's own local wired bandwidth!) mitm-ing was demonstrated using 'software defined radio' (inexpensive board, does exactly what is printed on the crate)
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asciilifeform: e.g. the toy crypto of gsm
asciilifeform: but this isn't particularly interesting. the interesting part is that everything people speak of as 'inseekoore!' re: cellular comms, was baked in very deliberately - and publicly - at the start.
asciilifeform: other u.s. telcos have similar products
asciilifeform: if i like, i desolder the rom and introduce mine.
asciilifeform: ^ vendor declared victory after disabling easy firmware update mechanism on the gadget. board still has jtag port, removable flash, etc.
Mats_cd03: i was under the impression the equipment for this kind of thing was approaching <$1000
asciilifeform: incidentally, one can trivially bake the cellular mitm gizmo from consumer hardware. (exercise for alert reader)
asciilifeform: probably exactly this appears on the grant applications, yes.
Mats_cd03: like it costs the telcos money to staff people responding to LEO requests for access
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform sees monsters in the shadows
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was gonna answer 'but nobody used self-signed certs' - then remembered having done so personally at one point
mircea_popescu: basically, technology has already made the state impossible, just at the time bitcoin showed up but mostly unrelated to it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, they have very little option in the matter, as their safety strictly depends on this sort of secrecy.
mircea_popescu: now any terrorist and any tax evader has good title to refuse any sort of information sharing, much like the prosecutor's own men do.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the legal principle that dorks a la mari reid & her crew may be kept secret will logically extend to defendants, too.
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs << not that simple.
assbot: Major terrorism trial could be held in secret for first time in UK legal history | Law | theguardian.com
asciilifeform: this is also the answer for why 'heartbleed' was necessary, considering that usg has at-will access to root certs
asciilifeform: the next 'new york death ray' idiot won't play ball? won't make the necessary phone call? now it can be made... for him.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that there is theoretically no need for such a thing, considering that towers are more or less owned by usg
asciilifeform: (consumer pnohes make no effort to authenticate - whatsoever - so this is trivial)
asciilifeform: ^ turd concerns the use of a well-known mitm gizmo for cellular
asciilifeform: afaik, these 'robots' were originally intended for 'micromanagement' types to roll around a factory floor, pointing remote-controlled laser pointer at lazy monkeys, mouthing obscenities through speaker
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is the point?
kakobrekla: dunno then why silicon valley isnt silicon anymore.
asciilifeform: i suspect that: when they tape out a dud asic, they simply... take preorders longer.
asciilifeform: i can almost understand taking preorders if you're a broke, ragged dervish. but these folks have already exited that stage.
asciilifeform: 'The new, thicker copper layer did resolve the heat build up from the current flow. Temp has been reduced by 20C with the new boards.' (from jborkl, quoting bfl co. lamenting its troubles.)
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asciilifeform: (it was pushed as 'only for the lulz', note)
mircea_popescu: in spite of all the pretense as to "exchanges" and tips and whatnot, it'd seem 99%+ of all doges are actually held by the admin group
BingoBoingo: The trend says yes, but the externalities say no.
kakobrekla: the way of the road.
mike_c: yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.
Apocalyptic: to avoid these hoppers
mike_c: two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.
kakobrekla: someone hopping the diff?
mike_c: nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites
TheNewDeal: Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?
BingoBoingo: It helps to know the other bettors
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's mircea_popescu
TheNewDeal: 1K4Fs has virtually 60% of the no
mike_c: fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest.
jurov: to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price
mike_c: no way. they've all been capped?
mike_c: i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now.
mike_c: no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :)
BingoBoingo: No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there...
jurov: how many asics are there?
assbot: bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
BingoBoingo: I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage.
jurov: 33C in Sunday, otherwise less
BingoBoingo: Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement.
BingoBoingo: Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address.
mike_c: ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz
jurov: afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC.
mircea_popescu: jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares."
jurov: the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up
mircea_popescu: the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10
jurov: how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian
jurov: now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one?
mircea_popescu: the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty
mircea_popescu: whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government.
mircea_popescu: except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government
mircea_popescu: so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13
mircea_popescu: about the same 80%
jurov: fossils are heavily subsidised, either
mircea_popescu: but won't allow you to divest either.
mircea_popescu: govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future,
mircea_popescu: the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe.
jurov: is either side of that bitbet safe?
assbot: Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard
jborkl: I tried reading the actm thread and gave up,
jborkl: I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam?
mircea_popescu: but i mean what's the difference
benkay: why economics over thermodynamics?
mircea_popescu: there's not a third.
benkay: sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment.
benkay: "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest."
assbot: Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jborkl: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
jborkl: ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
Mats_cd03: some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake
jborkl: <asciilifeform> It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped
assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
benkay: mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets.
TheNewDeal: it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade
TheNewDeal: I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied?
assbot: Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk
jurov: they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid
BingoBoingo: The monkeyfish would make a great error message.
jurov: or rather 500 errors
fluffypony: I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die
fluffypony: jurov: what's the problem with that?
BingoBoingo: Slowly, hopefully it will take another century.
jurov: BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative.
BingoBoingo: It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original
kakobrekla: <mike_c> imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools
TheNewDeal: April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality...
TheNewDeal: bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison
TheNewDeal: yes the network is quite variable over short term
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities.
mike_c: imagine if they had three cans
BingoBoingo: I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now
assbot: Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas
mircea_popescu: does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc
pankkake: corporate CA is the usual trick
mircea_popescu: which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously
mircea_popescu: the latter.
dignork: mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system
mircea_popescu: "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat."
dignork: benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack.
kakobrekla: you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass
TheNewDeal: but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people?
kakobrekla: you can have it either way
TheNewDeal: I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same
mircea_popescu: no they're not
kakobrekla: you know they are finite, right.
kakobrekla: im trying to save on the btc addresses!
TheNewDeal: could I bet both sides at the beginning as well?
mike_c: *there
kakobrekla: correct TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: not concerned as much with the why
mike_c: have their been any?
kakobrekla: actually they are public.
mircea_popescu: well they're private.
TheNewDeal: or are they quite rare?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what was the bet?
TheNewDeal: ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ?
AncientAliensBTC: How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side?
mircea_popescu: whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down.
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mike_c: AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well.
mircea_popescu: on thetopic*
mircea_popescu: all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s
mike_c: anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic?
mircea_popescu: the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base.
Apocalyptic: "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet.
TheNewDeal: Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487
AncientAliensBTC: More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump.
mircea_popescu: functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way
mircea_popescu: it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so
benkay: <AncientAliensBTC> SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it
mike_c: mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic.
benkay: its the only sensible option
AncientAliensBTC: SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good.
mgio: in other words, sue him for the btc owed
mgio: he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward
mike_c: wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4?
benkay: the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot.
mike_c: what's the other option?
mircea_popescu: well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway.
mgio: ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is
mgio: thanks for the help
mircea_popescu: well, look at l1, talk to the people there.
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mircea_popescu: "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is <del>etc"
TheNewDeal: they the results of the proposition spam?
mircea_popescu: the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is <Del>glbse<del>btct<del>bitcoin whatever<del>etc"
mircea_popescu: they change about quarterly
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders
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TheNewDeal: whats the sham betsite?
mircea_popescu: roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me
TheNewDeal: updating the diff change estimate to 6.8%
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: it's the muslims that are the pirates.
mircea_popescu: dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar.
mircea_popescu: davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks!
pankkake: wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it?
TheNewDeal: the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally
TheNewDeal: while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo
pankkake: my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him"
mircea_popescu: whats with all the black people ?
pankkake: I wish I knew how ozbot found the images
jurov: if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished
mircea_popescu: decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ?
mircea_popescu: well the'll be in the log
pankkake: didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time
mircea_popescu: i sold out to the usg!
mircea_popescu: but think ofall the opportunities!
fluffypony: so now I don't get any email from them
fluffypony: I eventually just blacklisted their domain
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D
mircea_popescu: you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores.
Mats_cd03: when there's blood on the streets...
mircea_popescu: "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes.
thestringpuller: havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs
mircea_popescu: german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void"
mircea_popescu: benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap.
benkay: what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment?
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mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment.
benkay: isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions?
mircea_popescu: cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee?
mircea_popescu: what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why"
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight"
mircea_popescu: then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints"
mircea_popescu: the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything
mircea_popescu: This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria"
mircea_popescu: Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians.
mircea_popescu: the syrian expeditionary army in iraq
mircea_popescu: no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad
mircea_popescu: "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. "
TheNewDeal: I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now
TheNewDeal: knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through
TheNewDeal: except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases
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