asciilifeform: phun phact: when the seekrit skvirrels in wash. dc weld the manholes shut prior to Führer-motorcade, they just spot-weld little tabs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.'
kakobrekla: <mdev>you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge
kakobrekla: <mdev>you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system
teward: he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/eligius-please-pay-my-200-btc.328351 << dude the amateur law&order bullshit going on in that thread is beyond the pale.
mircea_popescu: namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.
mircea_popescu: the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for TheButterZone.
asciilifeform: ;;unrate TheButterZone
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.
mircea_popescu: it's on the web lol.
mike_c: the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way
fluffypony: I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do
fluffypony: log.b-a isn't the only log
mike_c: log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.
fluffypony: even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs
mike_c: well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"
mike_c: ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain
mdev: but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts
mircea_popescu: to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.
fluffypony: selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day
mircea_popescu: if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.
mircea_popescu: sure there's plenty depending what you want.
mike_c: i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.
mircea_popescu: mike_c include the date.
mike_c: dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 19 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
mircea_popescu: sorta like the ex surgeon now hospital director
fluffypony: the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with
fluffypony: neither is "developer"
fluffypony: also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?
fluffypony: jerrod something or other
mircea_popescu: i would hope mpoe-pr is in there ?
mircea_popescu: "Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."
Blazedout419: Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll
Blazedout419: I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao you unrate TheButterZone
mircea_popescu: hey there.
mircea_popescu: you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week
kakobrekla: ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)
mircea_popescu: generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D
kakobrekla: well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it
mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.
pankkake: FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?
pankkake: I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)
mdev: just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well
mircea_popescu: the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.
mircea_popescu: mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.
mircea_popescu: they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc
kakobrekla: just picking the fees.
kakobrekla: so once you buy that shit, they are out
Dimsler: what are they going to do?
Dimsler: how the hell does that matter
kakobrekla: they sell you 'vrtual chips'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear
kakobrekla: they dont have to buy it back
mircea_popescu: how else would they sell it lol
kakobrekla: how else would they be 50%
pankkake: the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!
mircea_popescu: i thought the earlier 200 btc scandal was over pps
mdev: if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway
BingoBoingo: mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.
assbot: To all of the deepbit whiners.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.
assbot: For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bq4ia/for_the_love_of_bitcoin_stop_mining_at_btc_guild/
kakobrekla: x<BingoBoingo> Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days
mircea_popescu: of these three, exactly one did a hardfork
mircea_popescu: pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild
pankkake: also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too
mdev: I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!
mircea_popescu: <mdev> them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D
mdev: stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it
mdev: I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on
pankkake: like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.
pankkake: stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?
Apocalyptic: from what I gathered
mdev: I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month
pankkake: keep in mind 51% attack = 51% *attack*. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest
mdev: bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london
mdev: apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted
BingoBoingo: Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo
jurov: we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained
kakobrekla: yeah, that is the vodka BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.
jurov: that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.
pankkake: jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Ssateneth: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#717939 << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.
kakobrekla: well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)
mircea_popescu: cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.
BingoBoingo: Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.
kakobrekla: >As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.
assbot: BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)
jurov: kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now
Mats_cd03: does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?
mircea_popescu: Namworld the original is always best.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.
mircea_popescu: if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.
mircea_popescu: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"
assbot: Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire
BingoBoingo: I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...
BingoBoingo: mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight
asciilifeform: and they call us (folks who glue own linuxen from toothpicks in bottles) crazy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.
mircea_popescu: NOW we know what that was for. all these years...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: click the remaining 2
BingoBoingo: I just hope there isn't a dexkansas
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, if there's an r-kansas...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.
jurov: otherwise it just silently drops connections
midnightmagic: and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()
kakobrekla: the funny part it is, it wont.
kakobrekla: i raised the limit now so you can do your thing
kakobrekla: wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround
jurov: kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?
TomServo: looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too
Apocalyptic: oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
Ssateneth: Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets: http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.
Ssateneth: I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.
asciilifeform remembers turning on light in kitchen in old flat, middle of night, all the creepy crawlies came out
Blazedout419: they saw it and knew i dont spam
Ssateneth: Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.
Ssateneth: Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Ssateneth!ident@unaffiliated/ssateneth. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Ssateneth: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Ssateneth | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ssateneth | Rated since: Fri Jul 13 00:36:40 2012
midnightmagic: So, L2 in buddy's case there.
Blazedout419: i didnt even spam here is the silly part
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
Blazedout419: they saw ratings and sent back
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.
asciilifeform: ;;rate TheButterZone -10 sockmuppet
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
benkay: nobody understands the wot ffs
Blazedout419: now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT
benkay: Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150
Blazedout419: just explain the scam part
kakobrekla: ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue
Blazedout419: everything is public with them
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012
Namworld: Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.
Blazedout419: then tell me why it is a scam
Blazedout419: enlighten the dumb folks
Blazedout419: unlike most of the ones I see
Blazedout419: I like to watch the securities though
kakobrekla: then that x amount barely counts as an investment
kakobrekla: on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron
kakobrekla: its the forum investor
benkay: monte carlo all the butts...
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
decimation: "fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"
nubbins`: yah, did you see the address?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: he did say 'can anyone make gold leaf on black' - sure. now he can.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: rope (or keyring, whatever) through the borehole on upper left hand corner.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: well he did say 'no you draw it'
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: pcb photo positives
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it's a snapshot of gerber mask. if he's crazy enough he could send this out for fab.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: aye. 5 minutes of wank
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.
benkay: <kakobrekla> >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/13/bitangels-the-loudest-noise-you-never-did-hear/
asciilifeform wonders who the first bozo with scratch-off btc business cards will be
nubbins`: hang them on your belt
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/
asciilifeform: no bag needed if you thread a rope through the holes.
asciilifeform: they're likely to cost ~$5 each, though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll stuff it in a gerber for you, if you can crank up the minimal line thickness to 0.2mm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want gold leaf, have these... pcb etched.
Mats_cd03: working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass
mthreat: i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around
mthreat: the "8" looks like a snowman
mircea_popescu: how the hell is it not readable
asciilifeform: i'd use something readable for the fp
nubbins`: art deco is the new modern
ThickAsThieves: lol, pink or otherwise black paper
assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/
nubbins`: "The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."
peterl: I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise
nubbins`: thestringpuller:
nubbins`: street advertising is very effective with the right message
diametric: Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with