pankkake: The overwhelming evidence for the past year is that even if Ken Slaughter had good intention to produce miners, doing so was beyond his skill and organizational level and he soon began lying to us all.
benkay: i have learned so much...veritably do i reel from the things i have now taught myself to never do again
benkay: pretty sure i just did the biggest whole-app refactor of my life.
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mircea_popescu: goes up 400% in like 3 days, then -70% over, predictably, fourish weeks
Apocalyptic: it did somthing like +400% at the previous diff periode
Mats_cd03: new domain but the site sucks; lots of whitespace to my right on a 4:3 screen
mircea_popescu: they don't have a bitcoin price to pump up
mircea_popescu: new domain, nary a word. the end.
assbot: LadyTerra15877 ree. no cost, no obligation. It might be the most important thing youdo this year !
asciilifeform: sucks for the aficionados.
asciilifeform: the thing, as i understand - is dead
mircea_popescu: guy ran off with the code.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> why the lament page instead << she cnat coed.
asciilifeform: if her hands atrophied from grief, sure there's some fellow willing to do it for a %
Apocalyptic: because theatrality
asciilifeform: why the lament page instead
bitstein: Ah, cool. Well hopefully I will see you in April then.
mircea_popescu: the small world.
mthreat: bitstein: i'm living in argentina now, so i haven't been around there for a while
mthreat: bitstein: just checking, i met you at one or two of the bitcoin meetups at central market
mircea_popescu: i vote best drama of the week award.
hanbot: where's the footage ffs
asciilifeform: as with all such stories, would be interesting to read the 'enemy' side
hanbot: I continued to work on Collarme.com and even answered work emails while I was at the hospital in labor.
mircea_popescu: so this collarme thing is basically... couple broke up, then the girl's new boyfriend insited on a contract... quite drama-y
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bitstein: I shared this with bitcoinpete the other day. It's been a very influential essay for me since high school. It explains what I appreciate about groups like #bitcoin-assets. You guys should read it: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html
mircea_popescu: mod6 the 0's are kinda funny. and also you know, maybe one day Ms
mod6: mp: i'll work in a change so that it'll show bids/asks sub 1000 on the book command, instead of the 0s.
mircea_popescu: artifexd we prolly need a Bots megapage anyway. so this could go in botlist and then bot commands could be further down the page, as a list
artifexd: Shall I put something on there about it showing all bets created and bets placed in ##bitbet-rt ?
hanbot: maybe the hipsters'll start spelling it that way just for you mp.
mircea_popescu: artifexd mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?
mircea_popescu: mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: wiki would be the place
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mircea_popescu: actually, it should go in the wiki tbh
mircea_popescu: someone should put on their blog a complete guide of all the commands for all the bots
mircea_popescu: hmm how did you get the volume again ?
mircea_popescu: curious if they end up collector's items lol
nubbins`: not unpopular so far, either
thestringpuller: okay sorry was confused there for a second
mircea_popescu: not a matter of that dude, it just depends on how the bond is structured. as the bond is structured, so it is reported.
thestringpuller: ah, and of capital pool that is used to operate? (like the mpoe bond)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller should be. "1. distribute all income."
thestringpuller: random: i guess the accounting standard for the zero asset corporation is self explanatory?
thestringpuller: +bitcoinpete> digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win! << watching game of thrones when I read that, sorry i is no good with these things they call words
thestringpuller: go to r/bitcoin. digitalbtc is one of the top posts. bitcoinpete already destroyed it in the logs...
asciilifeform: (see the 40% figure)
mircea_popescu: but quite in line with the presumptious ignorance of redditards. they also think they know things about politics, and even imagine they influence it.
asciilifeform: the notion that public knows anything about distribution of hash cycles - is a bit strange.
kakobrekla: not going well together
mircea_popescu: the over 50% that sent todd in a tizzy was also what's published.
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> ... everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca << it's a religion... apparently in 1978 when they won the world cup, it was big a distraction as the government was kidnapping, torturing, and killing 30,000 "desaparecidos".
mircea_popescu: * mthreat watching it too << dude everyone here was watching it, it was uncanny going down the streets and seeing everybody in all the eateries, bars, restaurants, everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> thankfully, they made $1.6m from the share sale << kinda pathetic i guess.
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles << why ? they wanna compete in the ghlobal markets.
BingoBoingo: Coin Terra's data center is in Utah. I wonder how much hash they have out there in the desert...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves had it, look at the hash explosion
BingoBoingo: The simplest test for having a minimal level of participation in this channel is now, when realizing you can't speak can you ask someone online to offer you voice. It's such a low barrier to entry that... If the Horowitz guy could not solve that problem...
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here. << :p
thestringpuller: didn't know though there'd be a trilema post
benkay: thestringpuller: it's coming next month. see logs ;)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what happened to the MPOE may statement?
mthreat: so when i say neighbors, I mean _all_ the neighbors
bitcoinpete: at the half
nubbins`: think of the respect that kind of coin would buy you
bitcoinpete: digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win!
bitcoinpete: "Legal requirements for the listing will make digitalBTC “the most transparent bitcoin company around”, according to a spokesperson." << and the biggest! fastest!
benkay: of course asciilifeform will tell me that someone came up with the notion in the fifties and everyone forgot all about it
bitcoinpete: "DigitalBTC, which began as a mining operation but also engages in bitcoin trading and is developing retail and consumer applications, debuted on the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX) this morning as Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC) (ASX code: DCC)."
bitcoinpete: so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles
benkay: Mats_cd03: it's a mathematical formalism for talking about systems that evolve over time in response to inputs.
bitcoinpete: it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke doods who can't download and backup multibit
nubbins`: it's the smouldering rage of thousands of broke nerds
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nubbins`: i meant the magical type of tux
Mats_cd03: no but parts of the jsonrpc code is written
benkay: if only there were a reactive ncurses thing
punkman: there must be something better
benkay: ui in general is 10x more annoying than other things
artifexd: Yeah. They don't happen often enough to consolidate, yet.
benkay: there may be better approaches, artifexd
benkay: considered reporting when a bet total ratchets past integer btc at stake? in the same vein as the ticker bots accumulating trades under 1B
artifexd: I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here.
benkay: <kakobrekla> <benkay> talk to kakobrekla it's his ruleset < only if you are in wot and authed but dont reach the levels. < grand refinement
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell vexual yes that's interesting zone right there hmu
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thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com the zero asset corporation
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there a zero asset corporstion blog post?
asciilifeform: chetty: mp is rather like a surgeon - if surgeon could cry, he could not work - somethinglikethat
chetty: "Some babies (aka fetuses) get their brains sucked out at birth. Others (aka Fulbights) get their brains sucked out at Berkely." (anonymous)
chetty: MP makes me sad, I can see the truth of much but it is hard to swallow happily, and that I guess is what drives the libs in the end. Truth hurts
mircea_popescu: the general of moscow
asciilifeform: until he pissed away the realm
asciilifeform: civilized man has to overcome his OD on coke, or reddit, or whatever, to make the jump.
mircea_popescu: one does not bother to call another barbar unless the another said something that really scared our one.
mircea_popescu: as is generally the case.
asciilifeform: and the 'civilized man' - not so much.
asciilifeform: the supposed 'savages' get it.
mircea_popescu: i vote for "other reason" : because it's fucking dumb, that's why.
asciilifeform: (amalrik, 'Will the Soviet Union Survive 1984')
mircea_popescu: the empire wanted (correctly) its sovereignity invested properly
asciilifeform: 'Whether because of its historical traditions or for some other reason, the idea of self-government, of equality before the law and of personal freedom--and the responsibility that goes with these--are almost completely incomprehensible to the Russian people...To the majority of the people the very word 'freedom' is synonymous with 'disorder' or the opportunity to indulge with impunity in some kind of antisocial
asciilifeform: to the folks who didn't get dinged, he stood for... order. the empire having its shit together in some form. etc
asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now.
mircea_popescu: and then, kinda is constantly scared by and trying to escape his own creations
mircea_popescu: somehow ends up in the laboratory of power, obviously he pushes that ftizic trotsky aside. why not ?
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asciilifeform: ;;google "great chiefs of the iron age"
mircea_popescu: the mental model for stalin is roughly speaking a 15 yo country boy.
mircea_popescu: the man was not grand in any sense. he was merelysimple.
mircea_popescu: all extant ones that i know of are written by dumbstruck idiots who think the man was somehow grand
asciilifeform: 'Great Chiefs of the Iron Age'
asciilifeform: give it another century.
asciilifeform: by butchering the staff
asciilifeform: incidentally, stalin's '30s purges are almost universally misinterpreted. he was trying to close down the meatgrinder.
asciilifeform: problem, as seen in soviet example, is that you eventually run out of 'class enemies' and the meat grinder is still standing, well-oiled. then you have korolev doing time
chetty: no, but I ain't volunteering to march off to zoolag either
chetty: <mircea_popescu> which is really not hard to do, take everyone that was involved in any manner in the government of an european or north american country past 1940/uhg
mircea_popescu: problem is, even if you put obama on the glory chair, he might not be able to remember who the fuck was in his cabinet
mircea_popescu: and their families
asciilifeform: in fact, this is sorta how the 'prior art' worked.
mircea_popescu: which is really not hard to do, take everyone that was involved in any manner in the government of an european or north american country past 1940
asciilifeform: well, depends on what's a good candidate. does the exhibit need to be pretty to look at ?
mircea_popescu: the death of sir thomas moore, a fine example.
asciilifeform: we're rather long on christians and short on lions.
mircea_popescu: feeding the christians to the lions was perhaps insufficient, but nevertheless in the right vein.
asciilifeform: (or at least the spain pictured in 'homage to catalonia')
mircea_popescu: plenty of them.
chetty: usually its the socialists and their various cousins that do the 'camps' thing. Can you think of a historical time they got the bad end of that deal?
mircea_popescu: how do you say fascists in russian, except to denote not the folk that derped with hitler but the folk that dared propose the solutions to human problems are to be expected from groups rather than individuals ? and in english.
mircea_popescu: there should be a term, incidentally.
asciilifeform: 'would you, could you, in the zoo?'
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the gulag shall be quite public. webcams everywhere, with ample explanation as to what the criminal did.
mircea_popescu: the actual risk is that they're getting rounded up and sent to extermination labour camps.
mircea_popescu: they should be happy to merely disappear
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thestringpuller: "Maybe motherhood isn't for you...have you considered adoption?"
thestringpuller: since that seems to be the case, they try to plan a pregnancy for once then the OBGYN asks, "Well how many abortions have you had?"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i only fuck whores anyway. they're no longer fertile on the grounds of all the countless abortions back when they were 16.
thestringpuller: trilema us father's day edition (jk)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know exactly what mathematical contrievance you have in mind, just not convinced that it applies here
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is a very good formalisation of what i mean by "not analysable" : imagine a set of numbers which includes an order property, but excludes the highest and lowest member in any subset.
asciilifeform: if he can't do his thing because he's worn a zombie collar from birth and knows his place in the uranium mines, we're at 10.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't include the margins of any subset
asciilifeform: i'd say, if mr. newton can't do his thing because the city burns every tuesday, we're at '5000k'
mircea_popescu: no matter how they may be defined
mircea_popescu: this is part of the non-differentiability, it does not contain its degenerate cases.
asciilifeform: e.g. we don't know the ideal temperature for a living planet, but we can be pretty sure it isn't 10K
mircea_popescu: the problem of merit is not analysable.
mircea_popescu: the domains are not discrete ; the functions defined on them are not monotonous nor even differentiable.
asciilifeform: so the question becomes, how vigorously to shake.
asciilifeform: you want to find the valleys. so you shake it.
mircea_popescu: isn't this the probabilistic thing that finds the shortest path going through one city or we ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the space isn't discrete tho.
asciilifeform: btw, anyone following the discussion who is unfamiliar with 'simulated annealing' method of mathematical wizardry, should open a book and quickly become familiar
mircea_popescu: merit only exists in a measuring context. the choice of a measuring context is political.
asciilifeform: well, herr newton, etc. rising up from the ranks
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mircea_popescu: hm, 16 core cpus are cool just because you get to watch the colored lines if you feel like it
thestringpuller: the other shirts I had printed were medium in fruit of the loom, my lanky arms make it uncomfortable sometimes XD
thestringpuller: i'll do a large then
mircea_popescu remembers when people were pissed off at hashking on the forum for stealing all their bitcoinz, and some forumer said he sounds like he's 14 and he sarcastically said o no he's 15. formonths afterwards ppl were like 15 yo stole our monyz!!11 in all seriousness.
thestringpuller: i'll take the optinal channel label!
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thestringpuller: oh nubbins` do you have a mockup of what it looks like with the #bitcoin-assets printed on it?
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nubbins`: thestringpuller: no rush. pm your shipping info when ready
kakobrekla: what is the bots name again
mircea_popescu: <FabianB> <+mircea_popescu> FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11 <-- i guess i should ask kakobrekla to include empyex in the list of voiced bots << o ya kako please add empy
thestringpuller: oh well nubbins` it'll get there evenutally
thestringpuller: how much for the shirt now?
nubbins`: you can't really tell, but he's wearing dockers and a leather belt
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KRS1: guess it was the "way" he did it
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nubbins`: compassion == me letting her stay there thus far
chetty: give the poor woman some water
fluffypony: nubbins`: do you live in the Bronx of Canada?
nubbins`: there's a very high-looking woman sitting on my front step
chetty: you didnt write it down on paper and store elsewhere either I guees :/
Mats_cd03: ive forgotten the passphrase
FabianB: Mats_cd03: did you loose it or did you forget the passphrase?
Mats_cd03: i forgot the private key associated with gribble :s
kakobrekla: <benkay> talk to kakobrekla it's his ruleset < only if you are in wot and authed but dont reach the levels.
thestringpuller: happy fathers day mircea_popescu
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309073.msg3315672#msg3315672 // but how are you going to get the pools to support a hard fork that would allow their participants to cheat?
FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11 <-- i guess i should ask kakobrekla to include empyex in the list of voiced bots
mircea_popescu: the problem still remains, that merit isn't a thing.,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and there'll be plenty of folks ready to help << clearly.
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asciilifeform: and there'll be plenty of folks ready to help
asciilifeform: so where's the 16-virgin ?
mircea_popescu: (napoleon's "general's baton" bs is nothing but the reimplementation of the gracchi's reforms, 20 centuries prior)
mircea_popescu: as a six year old boy he's gonna be your father regardless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'll forever go to this spiel.
mircea_popescu: it's not voltaire, it's the french retard club, montaigne, saint simon, rousseau etc.
asciilifeform: benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity << the funny part is that the russian left (pro-american. if you want to actually understand post-collapse ussr, gotta understand why left->pro-us) went right back to this spiel
mircea_popescu: the problem is that russia never was and likely never will be actually up to the task.
mircea_popescu: that the 1800s quaint concepts of the superiority of the west, naive faith in the benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity, all that germanophillia etc
mircea_popescu: that on the 2nd pass they eventually had enough and followed is reasonably understandable.
asciilifeform: mr mold likes to crank it all the way back to... voltaire
mircea_popescu: europe has had naught but turmoil. the russians ended up taking it in the ass twice for this reason, and painfully too.
mircea_popescu: but look at the matter : ever since napoleon implemented the idiotic idea that people generally should have a voice merely for having been born,
asciilifeform: much as it must've sucked to be on the receiving end of the beast - much of what people like to gripe about re: soviet ham-handedness was, as you might say, 'forced mistake.'
asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'
asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow indeed. The offenders, are,
asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of what so-called
mircea_popescu: (where it means boy. spoken the same way)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the term is actually... orcadian!
mircea_popescu: (the uruguayan is SO MUCH BETTER too)
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform re zaraza : www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Y8kylOsF0 (the original, uruguay)
mircea_popescu: im playing moscopol tangos in the crisp argentine air, and chasing their splendid ciruelas with my splendid imported plum juice
asciilifeform: (famous letter from tito to stalin, found on the latter's desk after his death)