benkay: now i need a pile of deals that this insurance will qualify me for to justify the expense
BingoBoingo: Klye needs another IPO...
assbot: Those who don't ignore history are just as doomed to repeat it as those who ignore history. Because both will have the same history.
BingoBoingo: "But here's where it gets insane. No one can accurately "estimate" how much is left in the bottle to any degree of accuracy, so we end up mostly only zapping full bottles."
BingoBoingo: is is done multiple times until the tech either dies of boredom or it gets busy again. Usually this means about 50 zaps. THEN the computer compares what was scanned to the inventory on hand, and if it is off by a certain percentage, it updates the inventory on hand..."
BingoBoingo: "A special DOS program (we only utilize the latest in computer programming technology at our pharmacy) is executed which prints a listing of barcodes representing 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. all the way to 100%. Then the tech or pharmacist scans a bottle of inventory, THEN shakes, quakes, and does a little magic dance to estimate how much is left in the bottle, be it 10%, 20%, etc., and then scans that barcode, hence the QUAKE-n-ZAP! Th
jurov: <asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno
asciilifeform: crypto projects that may not suck << where's the list?
asciilifeform: the final solution (tm) to heat problem
bitcoinpete: sitting in a lovely old bank building at the bar
kakobrekla: prolly even the bfl failwagon will offset that
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: CoinTerra, the People Garr pinned his "totes legit" badge on have a datacenter in the middle of the utah desert.
jborkl: Tha is constantly ongoin, just block withholding attacks on each other
BingoBoingo: I think in addition to miners housed in the desert southwest dying, we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence.
bitcoinpete: "Personal income tax revenues in April were 15.8 percent, or $7.9 billion, below the same month in 2013"
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete maybe send him a "Nomination for posts that might not suck : shut up, read assets logs for the next year"
BingoBoingo: The Iraq situation would have been less of a mess if HW Bush and the Saudis would have been cool with Bin Laden's plan for liberating Kuwait.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck is in charge across the pond, but he couldn't be less able if he tried. a regular bismarck in reverse, that guy
mircea_popescu: fda thinks it's a good idea to annoy the european elite in the gullet, which is prolly the one thing they care about
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Prolly best they don't mix.
mircea_popescu: quite clear message there
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of the recent cheese wars lol. i dunno who missed the "oh yurp, you don't want our gmo crops ?! we won't want your messy cheeses then!!11"
BingoBoingo: The question of the next few decades is how many corn plasmids are small enough to find their way into bacterium...
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, it should be interesting to see just what new plasmids become available for bacteria's game of bioshock now that there's all those genetically engineered crops around
BingoBoingo: And the American farm and Amrican locker room being bigger hotbeds for MRSA than American Hospitals.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The corn matter.
BingoBoingo: That is true. Microbes generally don't try to kill other microbes through folate though.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant the agricultural/synthetic thing a reference to an earlier discussion about how industry and agriculture compete for financing. you prolly recall it
mircea_popescu: (their only limiting factor is that human cells don't have a defense either, and rarely do you get a bonanza like tpi that's 5k as afine to bacteria folic process as to human for unknown reasons)
mircea_popescu: and yeah, some plasmids exist for circumventing some antibiotics, the sort that we've obtained "agriculturally" so to speak.
BingoBoingo: Most routes to drug resistance encountered so far have been a round a long time, because some population of bacteria in a species need the genes to survive. Bacteria don't just spread genes through reproduction though... Microbiology is like Bioshock. Staph can pick up a plasid and get superpowers.
mircea_popescu: in principle bacteria would have as good a chance to develop immunity to tpi as it would to penicillin. they're both antibiotics (granted, one static, the other cidal, whatever)
BingoBoingo: Other bacteria though tend not to have the luxury of waiting that long when they engage in chemical warfare.
mircea_popescu: the only way bacteria meaningfully exists from an evolutionary standpoint is that it passes itself on
ThickAsThieves: ''I saved for 45 years … It was my carer's pension and his disability pension,'' said the Sydney retiree.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The distinction is -cidal actually kills the bacteria. -static keeps them from reproducing long enough to have enough die of old age or allow your immune system to catch up. When it comes to adpatation and resistance it matters quite a bit.
asciilifeform: the notion that 'microbe will eventually adapt to anything' is a bit simplistic.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps on the grounds of my ignorance, i see little value in the bacteriostatic / bactericide distinction
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Trimethoprim is great in the way Sulfa antibiotics and doxycycline are great. They are merely bateriostatic agents. Combine the right bacteriostatic agents and you might actually kill some bacteria. Mostly though bacteria aren't adapted to combinations of them and it might take centuries for Bactrims list of vulnerable organisms to thing appreciably.
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: at my last work (us army) the management flew in one of the last remaining soviet phage experts
bitcoinpete: i remember reading about russian/soviet research into them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Phages are probably the only long term solution.
mircea_popescu: bodes well for the future, this.
mircea_popescu: i guess their victory was of such resounding nature in that battle that now hsbc is doing it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the reason we've found any substanital antibiotic this far is because some other microbe produced it as a defense and before we produce the chemical on an industrial scale, there are minority bacterial populations carrying genes for resistance.
ThickAsThieves: "HSBC is one of the leading international banks. Technology plays a big part of the banking world nowadays. The advent of mobile devices, bitcoin, crypto currency, access to internet, are change everyday banking. Create a position paper on the benefits of Bitcoin being adopted and being a part of HSBC consumer products. Pick a position in favour or against and please add your sources."
asciilifeform: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers%28lsero%29.pdf
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, their deployment in practice does not (a state of affairs asciilifeform periodically protests with a parachute example)
mircea_popescu: think in the following terms : the tools mpex will use any to defeat any attempt at enacting a sovereignity claim superior to its own certainly predate any such claims
BingoBoingo: Aspergillius is probably my favorite pathogen because it is a huge fuck you to stoners thinking they are all high and mighty because their weed is "safer" than my booze.
BingoBoingo: Well, the plasmids necessary for S. Aureus to become Beta Lactam resistant and Enterococcus to become Vancomycin resistant predate our harnessing either therapeutically...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or for Candida to accelerate the way Y. Pestis did...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for all you know, a world without listeria is the prerequisite for a better strain of herpes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder what the ecological impact of listeria's disappearance would be like.
BingoBoingo: http://www.gizmag.com/listeria-bacteria-sensor-food-borne-illness/32536/ << No one develops the Campylobacter version because chicken would never look the same again...
mircea_popescu: if he had a few slaves around the house whose lives and physical integrity depended on his good humour, he wouldn't find himself ossified in this form of compensatory idiocy.
mircea_popescu: these are the hidden costs of " welfarism" : that in order for its pretense to be maintained, the actuality of a caustic environment for the natural needs of the superior has to be enacted.
mircea_popescu: it is, but only because of the poisonous enviroment in which their socialist conationals soak them.
mircea_popescu: this is how people like me end up when they're 50, if they don't have the sense to bdsm etc
mircea_popescu: the same arrogant if clueless sufficiency permeates.
mircea_popescu: that's not even the objection. if you read his contributions in his own comment thread above,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: locklin is one of those folks who never penetrated the btc bozo field
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assbot: How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i can't see a reference to lockin's stuff without thinking of http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ anyway
BingoBoingo: There's more painful exercises in attempting to learn a programming language. In 6th grade I tried to learn Perl with pencils and paper...
asciilifeform: this is generally how 'enthusiastic' lisp-haters are born - they get to study it at uni, and match parens / indent / etc. by hand.
asciilifeform: punkman: if you study, e.g. common lisp, without SLIME, you're inoculating yourself against ever enjoying the language.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't hate it per se, but I'd rather avoid that learning curve for now
mircea_popescu: Those issues may be avoidable, but only at the cost of additional atomic instructions on both the read and write ends, which would significantly impair the performance." << this guy is a prime example of what i said of finance types being tech clueless.
mircea_popescu: 2) You cant tell when a reader is currently processing that tick, which means you could potentially write over the prior record when he has only read part of it, making the tick inconsistent (which is also bad).
asciilifeform: the only prescription is: barbarians.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the one time their excel copula calculation failed spectacularly and the whole firm went under because of it ? no arse was harmed.
mircea_popescu: finance types are possibly the most tech-clueless people you'll ever meet.
mircea_popescu: "Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that most HFT firms playing around with FPGAs are doing so because of slick-talking FPGA marketing hucksters. The more that perverse incentives change, the more they stay the same" << flanagan has a point.
asciilifeform: i cannot claim to have invented it (herr muller, 1956?) but might be the only one left taking it seriously.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I played with Singularity a bit when it was fresh. The "respectability farm" is the impression I got.
mircea_popescu: "Go with a straight-dataflow paradigm, where all operations are part of a dependency graph (and if your chip is large enough, exist at all times as physical objects which wait for their inputs to become available, and signal their successors within picoseconds of their output becoming ready.)" << tbh, this is not only grand in theory
asciilifeform: 'microsoft research' has nothing to do with the company's product pipeline
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't make the classic mistake of reading this as microshit product r&d
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that last time you dropped that link and the doubters in the thread, but now... If even Microsoft can pull off FPGA acceleration...
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not that I can think of atm. Numbers tend to influence how much I bet rather than whether I bet in the first place.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the same thought occurred to me
assbot: Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/ << More reason to suspect HFT types have been on this train for a while.
punkman: BingoBoingo: will publish source soon, any ideas for extended bet analysis or other tools?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Got two one pound packages still hot for $3.50, I love passing through the middle of nowhere.
mircea_popescu: but basically yeah, there's names which serve as marks of failure. something with goat involved, or nefario, or preston byrne or taaki etc can only fail
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives. << I had a disappointing lapse into Americanisms today. I timed my return drive poorly and passed the restaurants before they opened. Ended up getting fried chicken livers at the supermarket and eating them as I drove the rest of the way back.
mircea_popescu: d look forward to learning how we can work together."
mircea_popescu: "We (Dennis McKinnon, Casey Kuhlman, and Preston Byrne (the Project Ðouglas Dev Team)) do not intend, nor is our proposal designed, to replace or compete with the Bitcoin Foundation. Using traditional forms of organisational governance, the Bitcoin Foundation has played a critical role in standardising the Bitcoin protocol and encouraging adoption of cryptoprotocols use worldwide. We are grateful for its efforts an
assbot: The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "of course i own the whole block. i'm in a booth here aren't i ?!
mircea_popescu: i wonder if ticket sellers at cinemas have an easy moneymaker now : sell the building to forum investors.
mircea_popescu: "John (Peter Manglaviti) was essentially the public leader of NxT, he was the one who represented NxT's booth at several public conferences / expos and seminars and he was the man the public dealt with. " << bwahaha. HE WAS IN A BOOTH!!1
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams << the warrior forum in action lol.
mircea_popescu: <darlidada> 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked << the theory that any qty of nxt is worth any qty of btc has serious flaws.
mircea_popescu: let alone that the platform doing what the bitcoin foundation aspired to and never actually did is right here, and has been in business for years
mircea_popescu: <benkay> "blabla" << still not seeing code << they have a NAME right ? and it has like inclusive specxial characters in it and everything, right ? THEY HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY SHOULD CRITICISE THEM!!!!
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
kakobrekla: ;;rate darlidada 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user darlidada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=darlidada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darlidada | Rated since: never
penguirker: New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/
kakobrekla: get in the wot and all that jazz ?
benkay: keep calm and prepare for rectothermal analysis
pankkake: http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ <= flattr was one of the last easy ways to fund things semi anonymously (many grey area websites use it)
bitcoinpete: unlike the bitangels… and coindeskers
bitcoinpete: let's see if the bitgo kids respond
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I wish we'd come up with this idea, we could've IPO'd the idea
pankkake: "Scammers don't bother sending me a PM trying to get me to send NXT first, with my reputation this deal is BTC first."
benkay: I feel I can do this deal because I know this is going to boost the value of NXT exponentially.
darlidada: THEN people start to send him pm regarding the deal and when no one answear they freak out
darlidada: to be fair it doesnt come frome bitcointalk this time, but from the nxt community
darlidada: have you guys read about the latest crazy stupid story on bitcointalk ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0
benkay: "The hard deadline of 17 June 2014 means the Project Ðouglas Dev Team has not had time to test all of the functions we would like for Eris v 0.1. " << still not seeing code
bitcoinpete: the bet won't need a 3rd adjustment before bastille day
bitcoinpete: but not far off either
fluffypony: so institutional they need to be IN an institution
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asciilifeform: in other (not quite) news,
assbot: CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to SNATCH SNOWDEN The Register
asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/cia_rendition_jet_was_waiting_in_europe_to_snatch_snowden
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones interesting. punkman notrly. what japaneseis worthy of the hype ?
punkman: I wonder if jap beef is worthy of the hype
los_pantalones: this guy kenji is the best
mircea_popescu: "I aged a 107, a 109A, and a 109 Export in a mini-fridge (this one from Avanti) set at 40°F in which I placed a small desk fan in order to allow air to circulate (I had to cut a small notch in the sealing strip around the door to allow the fan's cord to pass through), simulating a dry-aging room on a small scale. "
punkman: probably gonna have to wait for the next one, but I might make it happen
punkman: but I gotta try the real thing
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, this is a passible definition of happiness : the best steak i've had was this year.
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the best steak you've had?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say it's the best i had, but certainly not ashamed of sharing it
los_pantalones: not the episode
los_pantalones: they used to do your dough technique
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones a yes, the guy has a point as to "proper" aging. you can't do sngle steaks
los_pantalones: makes sense given the context
assbot: The Food Lab's Complete Guide to Dry-Aging Beef at Home | Serious Eats
los_pantalones: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html
mircea_popescu: makes the hairs stand out more
pankkake: still better than the discussions I hear behind me
davout: if that's the romanian version of a tupperware meeting, sure
mircea_popescu: i suppose next topic is whether our husbands beat us recently, and how hard was it.
mircea_popescu: aging beef in dough is exactly thesame, sans liver (and mushrooms) and with much thicker dough : sear the steak, put it in a dough envelope, cook this and let it sit.
mircea_popescu: it's not too hard : boil liver, grind it into a paste with butter and spices ; sear a steak, cover it in sauteed mushrooms and the liver paste ; make a dough, put the whole thing in it, seal and oven.
davout: punkman: no, by aged, i mean really aged, like you have to cut the green parts off
davout: pankkake: if it isn't painful it means it's probably not very useful either
pankkake: the bitbet discussion was more painful
davout: i have this sadistic little satisfaction, knowing that log readers will have to endure this discussion about cheese and steak to be able to cross the log-reading from their todo
mircea_popescu: if you have problems swallowing it all they'll more than happily get you some (excellent btw) malbec
mircea_popescu: in general you have to do a lot of customisation to make restaurant food fit for human consumption. in their view, serving a two pound steak with three ounces of sweet potato fried in oil, and then a pound of chocolate with dulce de leche mixed in is perfectly adequate asd a meal
davout: also they seem smart enough to serve a bowl of salad as a side
mircea_popescu: but they also cook it quite well.
mircea_popescu: well it's possible you had it imported, in which case the shock won't quite rise to the level of epiphany
mircea_popescu: the beef steak here is so tender chicken seems game by comparison.
mircea_popescu: it literally is like europeans only eat 7yos, and there's a world of 23 yo bananas out there unbeknownst to them
mircea_popescu: much like you know, you think you know what a banana tastes like, but you're WRONG. you'll discover the full body of flavour of that fruit once you live in the tropics
mircea_popescu: much like i pity the fool trying to eat romanian beef.
mircea_popescu: i'd have killed young argentinian girls and sprayed their virginal blood all over it to win the argument
davout: i'd have argued the argentinian version doesn't have a soul
mircea_popescu: you'd never have heard the end of it
mircea_popescu: you tell me that you were here, and saw a local knockoff of a tin of camembert and you wouldn't have paid the $2.80 to see wtf is in there.
davout: what the fuck were you thinking
mircea_popescu: it's almost like i'm the only one that finds it hysterically funny or something
fluffypony: he hasn't started on it yet - he's busy till the end of the month, so we're still fleshing everything out
mircea_popescu: or what was the guy's name ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony hey, when were you talking about the summarizing thing ? was it the 12th ?
mircea_popescu: you made the vial dood, what do you want from me. when the time to open it comes i'll feed it to a cat and let you know.
mircea_popescu: pankkake well strictly speaking davout's the king here lol.
davout: apparently there's no king, bitbet is a court, in some sort of quantic superposition state
mircea_popescu: courts aren't either agents nor capable of intent.
mircea_popescu: you can definitely ask the king to tell you wtf it intends to do. because the king is a sovereign, and thus an agent, and thus can have intent.
davout: i don't know about other countries, but the law in france has this mechanism where whenever you need clarification on the law from the taxes administration, you can ask them to make a binding answer
mircea_popescu: (pls don't look in the logs)
mircea_popescu: can't follow around constantly reviewing and clarifying the wording every time reality twists some way or the other.
mircea_popescu: bitbet reviews bets exactly twice : when they're entered, and when they're resolved.
davout: what do you mean by "your touching the things" ?
mircea_popescu: because you gotta limit your touching the things. all business runs on the principle of limiting responsibility.
davout: i'm just curious about the point behind not clarifying bets when their wording leave some space to ambiguity
mircea_popescu: that's unfortunate. but you're not like the bitbet mod, in that... well, in that you aren't.
davout: well, because i'm like the bitbet mod, i didn't really realize it wasn't clear enough
mircea_popescu: in any event, bitbet comes last in the sort. you don't change your actions by what bitbet says it's gonna do. you do what you do, then when the time comes bitbet looks at it and calls it something.
mircea_popescu: davout because it's not dude. what the fuck do i know what you'll be doing next. if you were going to change the thing';s name why da fuck did you bet on it as it is etc.
mircea_popescu: that awkward moment when you write to a estudio de abogados named X, Y, Z and K and the next morning a reply awaits from Gonzalez X.
pankkake: I can create a source for volume info, from the raw trade data
davout: without a source for the "volume" information, it is not possible to univocally establish (vol > 100)
davout: "First and foremost, statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet."
pankkake: but bitbet mods clarified bets in the past
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking anyone to make me something, i'm asking how the bet resolves, clear resolvability is a desired property is it not?
fluffypony takes out his list and crosses mircea_popescu off as potential mother figures
mircea_popescu: i ain't your mother.
mircea_popescu: "refusing to make me tortoise soup, when asked well in advance, doesn't constitute good mothership"
mircea_popescu: the only approach is to make bets clear an' stick to it.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pull clarification. mods might push it, but you can't rely on that
davout: mircea_popescu: so you're saying there's no way to ask for clarification regarding a bet wording?
mircea_popescu: davout the supreme court does not offer advisory oppinions. it'll only consider cases where there's a real controversy.
fluffypony: but since Mono already has a cross-platform implementation of the CLR
fluffypony: just not the CLR (Common-Language Runtime)
ThickAsThieves: Yifu, that was the name, couldnt remember
fluffypony: they bolt an FPGA inside a server to offload specific tasks to it
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davout: kakobrekla: so what was the answer wrt the http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ resolution in the case there is only a rebranding, and trading happens at paymium.com ?
pankkake: I have contacted MSD and am providng them with copies of emails in which Ken Slaughter made all sorts of promises to me. I have enough in the correspondence he wrote me to nail him to a wall.
pankkake: just what I told them months ago, as "why it's a scam"