fluffypony: I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures
fluffypony: the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ?
ansc: interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link.
mircea_popescu: that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have.
gribble: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/>; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies..
mircea_popescu: "Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha
mircea_popescu: i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1."
mircea_popescu: "o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa.
mircea_popescu: guy just hands you the key and walks off.
mircea_popescu: ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant
mircea_popescu: people do stupid sht like that all the time, too.
mircea_popescu: no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway
fluffypony: and use them online for a month or two
fluffypony: I've been wanting the same
mircea_popescu: i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe.
mircea_popescu: actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card.
assbot: The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is
mircea_popescu: davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc.
BingoBoingo: Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely
mircea_popescu: evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible.
BingoBoingo: I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army
mircea_popescu: a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government.
mircea_popescu: "I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get.
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant.
assbot: Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are.
BingoBoingo: The latter it seems from my limited knowledge
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ?
assbot: The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube
mircea_popescu: well you can't cutthe knife
BingoBoingo: Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation
mircea_popescu: so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men".
xmj: as in, The Market For Lemons ?
mircea_popescu: the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech
mircea_popescu: costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it.
mircea_popescu: serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public"
fluffypony: and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation.
fluffypony: so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested."
BingoBoingo: The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are.
gribble: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com the hottest idea in bitcoin
pankkake: I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog
fluffypony: I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish
pankkake: Vexual: why still not on the wot?
mircea_popescu: I have an idea, I said, I know the guy who wrote that letter. Ill write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies. << the wot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go.
mircea_popescu: - Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years.
mircea_popescu: - the full loan is due back in two years
mircea_popescu: Bill said, Well lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default. Here were the other terms Bill said.
assbot: Crabs in the Bucket
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond
BingoBoingo: Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast...
jurov: Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them?
jurov: "Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads.
assbot: The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post
jurov: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/03/the-secret-service-wants-software-that-detects-social-media-sarcasm-yeah-sure-it-will-work/
pankkake: (translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts)
pankkake: Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way
mircea_popescu: how many are they anyway ? 20mn ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were.
Apocalyptic: well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow
mircea_popescu: funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing
Apocalyptic: will bring the hoppers back
Apocalyptic: it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget
mircea_popescu: how did the volume go again ?
BingoBoingo: All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ?
mircea_popescu: they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago
mircea_popescu: on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE"
fluffypony: but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts.
mircea_popescu: One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks theyre profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!
mircea_popescu: god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho
mircea_popescu: i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD
BingoBoingo: Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)
mircea_popescu: the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle
mircea_popescu: Mark Serbu told us, I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, Screw you, New York. People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.
mircea_popescu: luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field
mircea_popescu: "by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."
mircea_popescu: o well say it like that then
fluffypony: having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves
mircea_popescu: or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?
mircea_popescu: over about the same timeframe
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so
mircea_popescu: "They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.
mircea_popescu: moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.
mircea_popescu: that's the definition of self limiting
mircea_popescu: pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former
fluffypony: well I had my say on the thread
pankkake: "their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)
Vexual: but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique
Vexual: and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time
fluffypony: "aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."
assbot: BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room
Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far
Vexual: nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month
Apocalyptic: the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too
Apocalyptic: apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY
Vexual: they will still not afford it
Apocalyptic: so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt
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Mats_cd03: 21:29 <•TheNewDeal> gribble quit it with the ">;" crap << your client sucks, mine parses it correctly
cazalla: knc bet might just get there heh
mircea_popescu: knc kinda delivers don't they
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moiety: i thought so too TheNewDeal
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: most people don't watch memento the full way through or complain it doesn't make sense either
moiety: how on earth did that man get the two confused
moiety: oh nubbins`, i watched quite a few films when i was internetless. This is really good: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ (also shutter island and inception but i think i'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen those yet)
moiety: this cow needs some time in the park
asciilifeform: dovetails nicely with the discussion of recombinant cocain-excreting e.coli.
TheNewDeal: most definitely the latter
nubbins`: the meat is so tasty
asciilifeform: some of us live for the unicorn hunt.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal << this reduces to saying there's nothing to live for.
mircea_popescu: check it out, google has managed to erase history. the only winner of nurenberg doesn't exist in the brave new world.
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nubbins`: unfortunately, picking a good sovereign likely requires you to pass through the hands of the worst sovereign of them all (int'l border control)
asciilifeform: 'you commit atrocities with the sovereign you have, not the sovereign you wish you had.' (apologies to mr bush)
mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pick a good sovereign and stick to it.
nubbins`: more for following the wrong ones
TheNewDeal: gribble quit it with the ">;" crap
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/>; The Last Psychiatrist Archives: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html>; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html>
asciilifeform: ;;google the last psychiatrist
asciilifeform: by and large, they 'are only following orders' - as described by, e.g. TLP. but still.
mircea_popescu: medical profession maybe not, but the "mental health" "professionals" definitely.
asciilifeform: (likely that, in the future, folks will view today's medical profession in much the same light we see herr mengele)
asciilifeform: if before dr. mengele got to him - there was - certainly not after.
asciilifeform: in this scenario, the 'cerebral' work was done for you - by the folks who built the plant which churns out pseudoephedrine by the gigaton
TheNewDeal: or you just have to know people that steal a gigaton of the precursor?
asciilifeform: (the hicks don't start with a bag of carbon, a bottle of water...)
asciilifeform: it is again - when the one-step precursors are unavailable
mircea_popescu: now they have a reality show abvout it
mircea_popescu: people thought organic synthesis is a cerebral endeavour
mircea_popescu: people microbrew, god love them.
asciilifeform: a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal... an agro product << point of the second (e. coli) gedankenexperiment isn't that the planet needs a gigaton of coke (perhaps it does, but i digress) but would be to profit maximally off the 'demonetization.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say this on the basis of what.
asciilifeform: coke market in the us would be like meth market << nope. bioreactor (aside from somebody having to jump the hurdle and produce the transgenic critter in the first place) is a considerably more cerebral undertaking than grignard reaction in a garage.
mircea_popescu: if this were true coke market in the us would be like meth market
asciilifeform: could easily become the same kind of 'agro product' as... insulin.
mircea_popescu: so your gedanken experiment could well be carried out in a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal.
asciilifeform: (coke is no more difficult to churn out by the gigaton than, e.g. progesterone. do you see it at local pharmacist for a penny a dose? didn't think so. because it is a kind of chemical / international fiat currency. with all of the features that come with such.)
mircea_popescu: fun fact : psychiatrists with child practices occasionally get to see cases of prepubescent kids that anally masturbate with their shit and end up with serious constipation issues
moiety: they have started bowel screening here for the 50+. you get cardboard sticks and instructions to shit on your bagged hand and smear it on a chart with said sticks, which you do over the course of X days and send it off to the GP
asciilifeform: columbia << not a military giant who can make the 'demonetization' stick globally.
BingoBoingo: The only significant problem with MAOIs was they prevented selling the patient other drugs... at least drugs that aren't amphetamines
moiety: i had a patient that was on so many conflicting medications his liver was shutting down. every time i saw him, he was thinner and felt worse and they just wouldn't do anything. i'm worried what happened to him since i left
asciilifeform notes similarity to the software 'industry'
asciilifeform: i've met folks taking 5+ psych meds, mostly against... each other
asciilifeform: the basic formula of antidepressant market: 1) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722631 2) side effects are a gift from the gods: 10 side effects - 10 kinds of pill you can now sell.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Here Bupropion is used frequently when people discover aspects of the SSRI side effect profile.
gribble: Old Nardil Vs. New Nardil - Emsam and other MAOIs - Crazy Talk ...: <http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/5897-old-nardil-vs-new-nardil/>; Nardil and Dry Mouth - Depression: <http://depression.emedtv.com/nardil/nardil-and-dry-mouth.html>; Drug Ratings for NARDIL - Ask a Patient: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, well at least it has been since MOAIs fell to the wayside.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the basic idea behind the 'antidepressant' market is at least as mistaken as the phlogiston theory. so what kind of result can be expected.
moiety: bupropion is given rarely here as an antidepressant but more as an anti smoking thing, as its not licensed in the same was as in the us
asciilifeform: btc folks who expect to 'can have problems' from daring to demonetize the dollar should contemplate gedankenexperiment - what'd happen to a nation that 'demonetizes'... cocaine. (that is, establishes dirt-cheap production & distribution.) if your starfish doesn't quiver at the thought of the 'problems you can have' then...
moiety: i get the kitten post now. good work mircea_popescu lol you need to source some ar ones.
asciilifeform: which is the way usg likes it.
assbot: Bupropion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They founf a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor in Bupropion. Note the substitution that was made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
mike_c: the latter.
asciilifeform: this is why the 'optimize for patentability' process is an inevitable crock of shit. when the scamz0rs can't enclose the commons - they torch them.
asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
asciilifeform: in both examples, ordinary opium is the champ
Mats_cd03: brute force all of the things. see what works, rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'let's take a drug that's been known for 5,000 years, but is too much fun; nip at the structure a bit until we have a - anti-diarrheal, cough suppressant, etc. that's almost as good as opium.'
Mats_cd03: i may have used it a few times to punish a thief in the office
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: interesting case of the kind of thinking that gave us, e.g. DXM
assbot: Loperamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mats_cd03: for future reference, the no poo pills i was referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loperamide
moiety_: are they yours?
TheNewDeal: what if he is accomplishing both at the same time
mircea_popescu: they'd have like beer parties dedicated to discussing just how fucking just not done such deeds are.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i had something similar in romanian a few years ago
mircea_popescu: they don't usually do anything useful, but it's never for lack of pretending like they tried.
mircea_popescu: mike_c in general i find us kids can be more or less trusted to go through the motions / respect the formal parts of the spec
mike_c: well, effects would be: 1) do they do the work (maybe they have to send you a pic?) 2) does anyone read it
asciilifeform: the locals
mike_c: hm, that is interesting. seems like it will be difficult to measure the effect.
mike_c: ooh, now I'm the curious one.
asciilifeform: shame or not, there still exists no universal replacement for pdf (unless you count postscript)
asciilifeform: i get up for one day into meatspace, and back - and now 'rentacoder' is back from the dead?! or what is that 'fiver' thing
Naphex: who writes these titles o.o
BingoBoingo: Nice, what campuses are these?
mircea_popescu: so i took fluffypony's advice and hired a coupla dozen fiverr kids. since pretty much the only thing they seem to be able to do that's useful is put up/distribute flyers on their campus, im having a coupla dozen do that
mircea_popescu: lol all the mpex css modders!
assbot: Why Are These Bears Having Oral Sex?
kakobrekla gets off the fail train
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for the tips! i made a few amendments at those points.
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FabianB: hmm.. thinking if i should let empyex tell thestringpuller to get the mpsics right instead of letting it default to raw depth
empyex: thestringpuller: It's starting to sound like Wal-Mart in here.
empyex: thestringpuller: Commands: '$avg' '$conference' '$depth' '$depth <mpsic>' '$email' '$help' '$moo' '$mpexlag' '$post <pastebin-url-with-signcrypted-mpex-command>' '$proxies' '$traded' '$unconfirmed' '$vwap' '$vwap <mpsic>'
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/17/turkish_media_ban_media_in_turkey_stopped_from_covering_isis_abductions.html
FabianB: jurov: should i remove it from the list of proxies for now?
jurov: no,for the proxy... that's why it is down
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
fluffypony: that should be the default