punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
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benkay: the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they have these in usa. with the added twist that the 'official' rules change regularly, requiring purchase of 'fresh' decks
asciilifeform: playing cards. you can play traditional games with them.
kakobrekla: what are the rules?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they're perfectly normal playing cards
ThickAsThieves: plus time to set up all the files
asciilifeform: just about everyone i showed the pics to, for some reason... wanted that one.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeagh, he can print them on rice beads
ThickAsThieves: i love how the graphics are so shitty
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yes I recognise the same
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wasn't nubbins` in the same boat ?
ThickAsThieves: basically illustrating the hostory of our window into bitcoin
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i didn't have the time to log into rift even past two weeks
ThickAsThieves: if i can make the time
mircea_popescu: that doesn't make them less of a waste of, presumably, valuable brain gasoline.
asciilifeform: people are obsessed with technical 'solutions' because they cannot afford the actual working solution (suitcase, airplane, new passport)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that is entirely besides the point
asciilifeform: the proposed legal defense, though, will work about as well here as it would've in ussr.
mircea_popescu: many many MANY genius minds wasted most of their time in pursuit of similar nonsense.
mircea_popescu: are a waste of the presumptive solver's time.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as bitcoin taint. attempts to solve this inexistent problem, just like all the other attempts to solve inexistent problems in the history of human engineering
mircea_popescu: no, it's the truth.
asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'libelling a faithful servant of the king, that'll be an extra two years on the stake'
asciilifeform: inquisitor: 'ok, find me the fellow who bought. he'll sit on this here stake, next you yours, and will tell the truth'
mircea_popescu: if they ask you who you sold them to, you give them the name of the prosecutor in charge.
mircea_popescu: it's moved to another address. so ?
mircea_popescu: sothe 10btc is... moved to my wallet, from which a diff sum is spent on whatever, baby squirrel tears. so what now ?
ThickAsThieves: most americans have tainted all their coins by now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd guess: much of the panic re: btc 'taint' etc. comes from u.s. folks, who can be sent to the gasenwagen on very loose - rather than hard, 'scientific' - evidence.
mircea_popescu: it's sad how many promising young minds are ruined by the predilection of young minds for bad associations
ThickAsThieves: or "they are asses"
ThickAsThieves: Evan Duffield has given much praise to the Dark Wallet project that was spearheaded by crypto-anarchists Cody Wilson and Amir Taaki, but stated that "it's not a completely decentralized approach.”
ThickAsThieves: no, they are mis-writing
ThickAsThieves: “I believe the central problem with Bitcoin is that the public ledger, although a remarkable accomplishment, also allows a gross invasion of personal privacy by permanently listing all transactions the users have ever done publicly.”
ThickAsThieves: The brainchild behind Darkcoin, Evan Duffield, explained his motivation for creating this privacy-oriented crypto-currency:
ThickAsThieves: which i think they changed to Open Bazaar
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped << anything having taaki involkved and not being a scam ?
mircea_popescu: myeah. giving the site ot mr evil doesn't hurt anything on a plaintext site.
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mircea_popescu: so basically, for as long as other people cook, crowdfounding can continue to make the tomato roses.
asciilifeform: the ransom of 'blender' (cad package) ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean nonsense gathering a pile of cash
mircea_popescu: is there any actual anything done via crowdfunding so far ?
mircea_popescu: remarkable how similar the start and end of civilisation are. sorta like the start and end of man's life.
mircea_popescu: a will to power as the only qualification ?
ThickAsThieves: "Same here. I think IQ is bullshit and is a way of the gevernments to bracket us. Qualifications are a load of crap too. Who need a piece of paper to tell people that they can create the next "E=MC Squared"."
ThickAsThieves: benkay consider they all think hanbot is mp
Azelphur: asciilifeform: oh, then I'm confused
asciilifeform: Azelphur: that was the correct photo
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Azelphur: asciilifeform: that site served me the wrong image the first time I loaded the page...so confusing
asciilifeform awaits the epic rampage of a future mr. heap.
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asciilifeform: (it is not necessarily clear, to a man innocent of the concept of specially made feed for cats, why he should not dine on a can of tuna with a cat printed on the label)
mircea_popescu: for the record, had occasion to punish girly to cat food only diet for a week or so.
mircea_popescu: other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be healthier eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldnt quite go there, but the impression was made.
mircea_popescu: In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each
asciilifeform: e.g. lawyers, accountants, builders - people who wouldn't have had any dealings with programming otherwise, and - by many accounts - haven't since.
asciilifeform: somehow, 'hypertalk' was well-liked by serious users. why? theory: it lured a bunch of folks who were 'on the right side of the camel's hump' to begin with - into learning elementary programming
asciilifeform: it was made to torture sinners in an apple-themed hell
asciilifeform: not the script lang
asciilifeform: 'please press any key' - 'where is the any key'
asciilifeform: the most elegant example of the agony of 'plain language' is: attempts at computer programming systems which purported to use such.
mircea_popescu: i use the plainest language of anyone i'm aware of, and yet people claim you need a degree to argue with me. wtf is that all about.
mike_c: you can't. nor can you specify the tax code in plain language.
mircea_popescu: it's not going to (nor can it) notify the innocent.
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more dangerously : a term of art that has a common speech homophone will only notify those in the know of its status
mircea_popescu: mike_c and the "not a lot of jargon" thing is roughly like the vietnam forest without a lot of vietcong in it.
asciilifeform: s and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your own mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up fr
asciilifeform: 'I have never seen unintelligent or children of average intelligence muster the intellectual power that causes them to believe their own mind to be better and more trustworthy than reality, although the enjoyment of every kind of magic and fairytales and mystic and wizardry is a sign that many _wish_ their minds were better than reality at a certain age. I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it i
mircea_popescu: there's nothing plain about language just like a measurement isn't the thing measured.
mircea_popescu: mike_c "plain language" is the conceptual equivalent of "measurement in se". how long is your desk ?
mircea_popescu: basically the problem of intelligent people is that the knowledge needed is so vast... i could readily render the pretense and nonsense of it, but i don't have the time/patience to hang out in every nook and cranny.
mircea_popescu: My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early 80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having tax code readings and discussions.
asciilifeform: but (can't recall) either tax authorities are not limited in this way, or they ruled that the machine was not really 'tool of trade'
mthreat: i saw that building after he hit it. It was the IRS building, and he targeted it on purpose
asciilifeform: (summary: fellow worked a bunch of ancient software consulting gigs. owed $maxint in tax somehow. told that his little airplane would be sold to pay the debt. went spectacularly postal.)
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mircea_popescu: there' sa list of stuff
asciilifeform: ~what a nice car costs. but, the bureaucracy!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i live next to a field full of these things. the fellow i used to rent from owned one. about 40k usd.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: just phoned them - they'll increase my free limit to 30kgs << fuck them, assholes. seems all short distance is covered by this sort of low service "low cost" bs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so then, maybe you're running the local bitter loser group, and the fleet sailed long ago. who's to know.
benkay: it's not that bad a move from their perspective, mircea_popescu. if they want to chase milli+ contracts that run only on .NET and POJ, that's a legit business move.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i never saw proof they scammed anyone, if that helps.
ThickAsThieves: they seem to be Casascius kinda thing
mircea_popescu: "you dumb fuck, i have to hear from random passerby';s how utterly you suck at your job ? go fuck a goad in the market, you're never working in this line again"
mircea_popescu: sane boss approached with this, if it can be documented, cans the underboss that same day.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Heretic coin seems dead https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg6551501#msg6551501 <<< these people are so retarded it bleeds right off the page. on one hand derps wonder why nobody mines/cares about the coin, and hnt at conspiraci. on the other, guy trying to slel 3mn coins, no news in a month. GEE FUCK I WONDER WHY IT IS NOBODY MINES IT
benkay: where's the ROI?
benkay: just 'cause their boys want to hack with me doesn't mean i get to tell their old firm what to do.
mircea_popescu: seemingly you're the new boss.
mircea_popescu: so at this juncture you send the boss's boss a link to this log
benkay: and i'm sitting over here not exactly swimming in work but definitely a bit busy helping people who trust me to run the technical side of their businesses, and definitely overwhelmed by the talent seeking work with me.
benkay: separately, a local company'd killed off their division of programmers who work in this particular stack due to the 'difficulty' of finding them. several of these devs left their employers due to the boss' unwillingness to put steel behind the right technical decisions with clients.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: BingoBoingo: didn't you know that the biggest Australian export after resources are bitcoin scams? (inputs.io, hair dresser ipos, kenilworth and on it goes) << i've often thought of this. add patrick harnett and a whole other bunch of new zealand folk
benkay: so last night i'm at the user group thing, making friends, introducing people to each other, the usual shit necessary to keep a user group's momentum up, and not one, not two but three people on whose skills and capabilities i've been sold for a while come up to me gently asking about opportunities to contract
mircea_popescu: im sick of reading nothing but my own stories in the logs
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, please, by all means, even the story cunt a bit
mircea_popescu: the gay just won't wash away :D
mircea_popescu: in spite of which she did everything all night long, i took her to breakfast and then dropped her off in the arms of her mothar.
mircea_popescu: neither did she. i have more tit.
benkay: i also had nothing to bring to the table for those years. arguably still don't.
mircea_popescu: past desperate attempts at cockblocking by the entire collected "alpha" population. apparently my chick's unstoppable and really fucking scary to boys.
mircea_popescu: with the kitten. who, mind you, gets up in a cab and drives away with two guys who are clearly foreigners, barely speak the language, and she's just met two hours prior in a bar at a bdsm munch.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile unattached in-their-own-oppinion dom guys tell me all about how alpha really they are, and then we leave.
mircea_popescu: tells us all about how she's tried being a 2nd subbie in a relationship and it was ok but they ended it amiably and she's not looking for anything
mircea_popescu: there's this chick that looks just about 12 (and later confirmed her weight as 43 - !!! - kgs) that takes a liking to my girl, they chat, i buy them wine,
benkay: not that i found any worth my time to begin with, so i don't even have a sample of potential masters to compare to each other.
mircea_popescu: benkay and willing to, is the bitch.
benkay: i spent my early twenties looking for a man worth my loyalty and then gave up.
mircea_popescu: the why is that for an entire generation now they've been trained to falsely believe that hierarchy is arbitrary and evil, that submission is against human nature and forcing the inferior to submit inhuman etc scl.
mircea_popescu: 'More interestingly, many Americans no longer even understand the concepts of loyalty and treason?again, not surprising, since for a few generations now they have been ruled by traitors, whose routine acts of betrayal are designed to benefit just about anyone?from Israeli arms smugglers to Afghani heroin dealers?except the people who supposedly elect them to office.' << that's not the why.
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mircea_popescu: moiety: https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2011/09/why-didnt-julian-assange-use-pgp-properly-when-handing-over-cablescsv-file-to-da.html << re this ? the first website on the whole internets to actually publish cables ? my blog.
mircea_popescu: the displacement of which bitcoin is keystone is really pretty large.
mircea_popescu: decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars" << "yeah but how about you don't have tax dollars to give in the first place"
asciilifeform: (some fool dug up the site not long ago)
ThickAsThieves: i'll have to get it from one of them next time
asciilifeform: the infamous desert burial
mircea_popescu: these things DO happen
mircea_popescu: by the way, re the intel thing and atari : in 1983, game consoles sold like 3bn dollars' worth (in 1983 dollars, like ten trillion today). by 1985, it was 100 mn (9x% drop)
ThickAsThieves: it would by the raiders
mircea_popescu: if we voice chatted it'd be like the bdsm brunch.
ThickAsThieves: they use Google Hangouts
asciilifeform: idiots still have bitcents remaining? thought they've been vacuumed up by now
ThickAsThieves: so i've been getting lost in the world of day traders lately, found some google hangouts where people do screen shares and voice chat about charts, etc
asciilifeform: where was the latter in, say, '85 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow << can't imagine how that'd work. by now the stack is quite ample : x86 running windows to connect the owners of bitcents to reddit.
ThickAsThieves: they just renamed a school in Jacksonville
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ThickAsThieves: all to spare the ego of Uncle Sam
mircea_popescu: under the guise of "protection
ThickAsThieves: there ya go
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mircea_popescu: they;re somehow in danger too ?!
ThickAsThieves: The Chicago Blackhawks declined to comment about the Washington Redskins' loss of trademark protection Wednesday
ThickAsThieves: the gov gave them an easy revival, rename, rebrand, cool new name and jerseys and fans
ThickAsThieves: the redskins are very lucky actually
mircea_popescu: roughly since the disatrous p1 math accelerator.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've not bought anything intel the past 20ish years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.) << sadly. which is why everyone's on amd, really.
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asciilifeform: the circus performs: http://blog.cari.net/carisirt-yet-another-bmc-vulnerability-and-some-added-extras
mike_c: BingoBoingo: cancel the celebration party.
fluffypony: if you like maths and cryptography you may find our ongoing peer review of the CryptoNote whitepaper interesting
benkay: danielpbarron: or for that matter if the addr in question's never been seen on the network, and you're not idiotic enough to associate it with any IP that could be associated with you.
fluffypony: danielpbarron: taint analysis - it's the reason that coinjoin and mixing isn't considered safe
benkay: i'm telling you that it's adequately doable right now that the sidechannels are the real risk, and that no amount of blockchainery is going to ameliorate your sidechannel risks.
fluffypony: well we'll see, I think time will tell whether untraceability is a desirous thing
asciilifeform: they... suborn your cook. who poisons you. blockchain - didn't help! cry?
benkay: okay so the story is that i get busted for buying badTunes credits because i sent coins to the badTunes address?
fluffypony: stolen goods? they just care that you bought it
benkay: the posession of illicit goods is what enforcement cares about, right?
benkay: k - but what about the package interception?
fluffypony: the blockchain won't reveal you did
pankkake: also the idea here is that by default everything you do is hard to track
benkay: so the dealer can't say i sent coins to that address with monero?
fluffypony: and then you launched forth into a circuitous argument
fluffypony: and then you said that Monero was SOL
benkay: the coin salesman
fluffypony: but you've just explained the problem in your example
fluffypony: drugs are not the only use case
benkay: you're not actually doing the attack surface analysis man
benkay: and all the btc blockchain shows is that some random addr got some coins at some point
fluffypony: the Monero blockchain won't reveal your balance, when you spend, how much you spend, or on what
benkay: so...assume they've suborned one of my regular coin sources?
fluffypony: gubmint suspects you are dealing in illicit books, so they setup a sting to sell you BTC - they are now able to watch you spend those coins on said illegal books
fluffypony: either way
fluffypony: benkay: when you are "buying coins offline" you're buying them FROM someone, no?
fluffypony: and then when you buy your illegal drugs or your very legal banned-thing-in-the-country-in-which-you-live you send it TO someone from those fresh addresses, and they can figure out who you bought it from
benkay: sending them to fresh addresses.
fluffypony: what are the solutions? coinjoin? mixers? stealth addresses? hoping that the recipient never leaks the tx id?
benkay: lol what are the solutions going to disappear?
benkay: fluffypony: it's not a use case for the vast majority of users, and for those who actually care solutions already exist.
benkay: wow integer btc hitting the wc bets
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fluffypony: try a transaction, look at it on the blockchain explorer, and then see what useful info you can derive at a mixin of 0
pankkake: but as always, the useful/working things could just be ported to Bitcoin
fluffypony: kakobrekla: of the whitepaper...
kakobrekla: IGNORE THE PARTS THAT DONT WORK
fluffypony: it has DEFINITELY lowered the gap between CPU and GPU miners
fluffypony: benkay: ignore that part - the PoW is up for discussion anyway
pankkake: you can run multiple wallets on the same node etc.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: So you descriminate against most derps then, reddit will nevar let you hear the end of it.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: doesn't even use the Bitcoin protocol
fluffypony: but when XMR is rocketing then often Bittrex is slow to catch up
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: Poloniex has the most volume
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Isn't monero the same bullshit since it isn't Altcoin, the only worthwhile altcoin
fluffypony: I'll be over here in the Monero corner giggling evilly
pankkake: is this the closed source altcoin that just repackages CoinJoin?
ThickAsThieves: conveniently occurring just as the price topped
pankkake: apples are ok, unlike the horrible things mentionned
benkay: i'm interacting with the system gpg binary like god intended
BingoBoingo: Why not. Seed the PRNG with randomized hippo matter.
benkay: Diablo-D3: i'm eating biscuits and gravy and it's the best thing ever
kakobrekla: why not a lion or a hippo then!
kakobrekla: only in the morning.
davout: kakobrekla: "yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that." <<< if you follow this logic, all APIs would be better off using some binary protocol instead of JSON :D
kakobrekla: yes but 99.99% of the time its used by machines, so lets optimize for that.
ThickAsThieves: <+punkman> last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers ///i look forward to those bettors finding their way here to complain
pankkake: using gpg gives you the option of multiple schemes
kakobrekla: with the message size? not really but shorter is generally better (but not for sake of security)
davout: the hot chicks do
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ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> I already linked to the github repo for it /// i'm not sure what that means, tell me what to do!
ThickAsThieves: <+bitcoinpete> "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives." /// Stop being mean to Litecoin! (I just proposed a new bet that Dark(coin) will defeat Lite(coin) :)
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.// ah, i assumed i needed to place some sort of text file at the domain to get picked up, but i am somewhat comfortable with DNS so I can do that too if needed
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pankkake: railzand, why not in the WoT, mate?
bitcoinpete: ya, mpex has the fakiest volume around
pankkake: who is this new member of the cult of mpex? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658661.msg7412826#msg7412826