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Cosmos: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ = yep, i just might
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service. << nah, i disagree.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, something like https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ did you mean, cosmos ?
Cosmos: Yea of course I thought of that, but the problem w/ blogs is, they are steeped in this culture/reputation of self-importance & personal author's life drama sht
gribble: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116835.20>; SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277hny/sec_charges_bitcoin_entrepreneur_with_offering/>; The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google "BTC doesn't care about the SEC. MPEx rules!"
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Seriously get of the forums and start a blog
Cosmos: Cuz then
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: you mean tipping isn't when you give someone money because you pity them for wasting everyone's time?
BingoBoingo: The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service.
BingoBoingo: I think you misunderstand the root of tipping.
nubbins`: "paid" is almost not the right word
Cosmos: excluding the 'personalities' and hero members etc
mircea_popescu: sure. my girl paid people once in the same way.
Cosmos: anyway the ppl who put websites in their sig's in forums..get paid by said websites....... for the free publicity/exposure......
Cosmos: if you scroll down, you see them, for mining share trading sites, for bet sites, and passive investing/ponzi
mircea_popescu: Cosmos you understand the basic idea that the value of a review strictly rests with the known facts of the reviewer,
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: I've had great results with the Bitbet referral links, you can ask jurov for more info
nubbins`: he also formatted some of the links by length
nubbins`: that's about the sum of it
Apocalyptic: Cosmos, what work have you exactly done, excluding the mere fact of putting variably relevant links to bitcoin-related services together in a huge list ?
gribble: Carl Sagan: 'Science Is a Way of Thinking' - Science Friday: <http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/12/27/2013/carl-sagan-science-is-a-way-of-thinking.html>; Carl Sagan Collection - CSI: <http://www.csicop.org/specialcollections/show/carl_sagan_collection>; Carl Sagan and the Cosmos Legacy | National Geographic Channel: <http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/cosmos-a (1 more message)
nubbins`: gribs is making a grab for the SR coins
Cosmos: @ nubbins yea man, I've done free work, if site owners like it, they can donate/reward for it, pretty straightforward ;))))
mircea_popescu: preferably in the terms of, "anyone who didn't obey mp blindly on the score got raped, sorry, insert quarter to play again" ?
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of the derp foundation : did it yet get around to pointing out that people who had stopped updating bitcoin pre 8.0 were invulnerable to heartbleed, whereas people who hadn't stopped updating lost all their key material in the interval ?
mircea_popescu: it may be he has a further job for an eager but diligent young man
mircea_popescu: well, ok, here's a tip : you've found the place where bitcoin actually happens. if you spend your next year reading the logs (they're in the topic) you'll be better off than if you spend your year doing anything else.
Cosmos: I can also still send the email at info@bb...us if you want
Cosmos: cuz I was looking to msg one of them
mircea_popescu: Cosmos hey there. and who might you be ?
nubbins`: too bad canada doesn't have an island in the caribbean
mircea_popescu: new foundland and labrador nude beach : "the only fur here is on your dog"
nubbins`: there's a very narrow range of acceptable temperatures here
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile you wereall "dude i WISH it were 9, i'd take the girls out to the nude beach"
moiety: o i thought there were, maybe everyones inside watching
mircea_popescu: there's no parades atm ?
mircea_popescu: prolly the start of argentina's nuclear arms programme
mircea_popescu: if iran kicks them out...
mircea_popescu: your name shall live forever in the pantheon of really evil mean spirited rich people
mthreat: the magic of inverted indexes
mircea_popescu: word in unix sense of the term ?
mthreat: well "urmomtc" won't match urmom (the stemmer isn't THAT smart)
mircea_popescu: mthreat history, as in, list them by reverse-date
punkman: mthreat, nice, what's it using behind the scenes?
mthreat: like google, without the pagerank
mthreat: right now they are ranked by TF*IDF (text relevance, based on term matches)
mircea_popescu: also how are they sorted ?
mircea_popescu: mthreat you telling me under pain of per-jury that there's a page and a half of instances ands that's all ?
decimation: " Using an exponential moving average and volume weighting of transaction data, Winkdex is derived from the transaction prices on electronic market places where exchange participants may first use fiat currency to trade, buy and sell bitcoins based on bid-ask trading (?Bitcoin Exchange?). "
mircea_popescu: btw, did the derpage foundation have any comment as to ubuntu dropping bitcoin from 14.04?
decimation: I'm not sure if the sec filing has been linked here http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514190365/d721187ds1a.htm
decimation: apparently there is "progress" in the winklevoss etf http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-etf-inching-closer-to-reality-cm358963
decimation: apparently Russia was listening to our conversation about native electronics the other day: http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736804
decimation: although, I don't recall a lawsuit against realtors who "sold" homes to people who couldn't afford them
decimation: mircea_popescu: "the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment." << that's a really good point. bring back the Hammurabic code for engineers, programmers, bankers, etc.
mthreat: ya.. I think either one is fine, but I've had no problem with PADI
mthreat: xmj: that's the one I did.. what do you mean - versus NAUI or what?
moiety: aww punkman! i think you should bring them inside.....
punkman: there's a cat with 4 kittens hiding in my yard
nubbins`: my wife, upon seeing the package i was mailing: "that's a fucked up last name"
mthreat: <+xmj> any SCUBA divers around? << yep, i do the SCUBA
artifexd: And thus I report that nubbins` has indeed delivered on the #b-a shirt.
artifexd: Then... seconds later... OH! LOL!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "professor bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: expect weather!
ThickAsThieves: Every bitcoin bubble peak has occurred during a new moon, the next new moon is on the June 27th, the SR USMS coin auction is on the 27th, the auction resolves the June 30th, professor bitcorn predicted Bitcoin would be $10 by mid-year.
ThickAsThieves: Alice attempted to prove that its patents were more than just an idea by pointing to the specific software steps that it had to carry out. But the court found that these steps weren't ultimately much more than "stating an abstract idea while adding the words 'apply it with a computer.'"
assbot: Googles quantum computer just flunked its first big test | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5824336/google-s-quantum-computer-just-flunked-its-first-big-test
ThickAsThieves: time to stir the pot
ThickAsThieves: probly a metaphor in there...
ThickAsThieves: it's just a funny thing about self-portraits, they hang in no one's home
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "men need to be a shade prettier than the devil gurning."
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://devilsadvocate.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inside-out.gif << ThickAsThieves actually that doesn't look bad /// the awkward part is i still have the art, it's in a custom acrylic frame i made with some nuts and bolts. It's this huge 4-foot ugly face me, collecting dust, facing the wall in my garage.
gribble: You rated user mthreat on Fri Jun 6 20:38:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: had coffee.
mircea_popescu: the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it monkeys are insulated by law from the ill effects of their bullshit "work"
mircea_popescu: decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.
mircea_popescu: decimation: but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works << tracking a small flying object is no trivial task.
mircea_popescu: not at the onset, but if you do well and hanbot sucks maybe i fire her and hire you instead
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. every sink in this place is on a different drip period
mircea_popescu: punkman if you go by wordcount nos may be ahead, but if you go by the actual measure of things, ie, total BTC bet on no vs yes, yes prolly prevails
mircea_popescu: mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis. << not to mention independently tested etc. more's ther point, mpif wants unalligned risks, which is 90% of thy that even makes sense
mircea_popescu: punkman I, The Strategy ?
mircea_popescu: moiety: how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD << he was talking to the "picking bets" line
punkman: no, I the strategy doesn't use information it wouldn't have
mircea_popescu: punkman: tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC << course this is after you know all the results. ain't rearview mirror the best artefact, second only to the save game wand.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :) << that convo with thenewdeal was an eyepopper to me.
mircea_popescu: so i guess this is the end of bitpay's business model. getting redditards that hound fiat busiensses to "take bitcoin" to drive your parasitic business model only goes so far.
mircea_popescu: "We found out that by using a little program that Bitcoin uses, which is actually BitPay, we would have received US dollars," Pietro Frigerio, general manager of the dealership, says in the interview. "It's like if you come into the dealership and you want to buy a Lamborghini using gold bars, we would not accept it. So you'd go out, exchange it, and you'd come back to us. That was how it worked [with the Tesla and the
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal:holy shit. Tesla was at 30$ last year? << ikr ? inflation!
mircea_popescu: the point to searching the logs is to get binding negatives more than anything else.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: assets search engine? already exists << no, it doesn't, because google is doing a shit job of indexing each log page, which my experts establish is because bad titling shceme, but rather than fixing that (as proposed about two weeks ago, it's in the logs, SEARCH FOR IT :D) and hjoping google fills in the holes (which experts say it never does once they're in, no matter what happens), a complete solution is m
mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: bitcoind sucks. << now trace to who wrote the sht in question.
mircea_popescu: if he's any good you get the rest of the day off and tomorrow you can start working on a whole new stack
mircea_popescu: now, if the manager says something stupid now, like "why the fuck are you going for xpath you hipster, just do the transforms by hand" THEN poerhaps you got problems.
mircea_popescu: ce Oracle when it's ready, so long as the database sends some decent form of XML. Once I get this data subsystem done, I can finish the business logic, which attaches to the nonfunctional demo you love so much.
mircea_popescu: vendor to fix it but they said 6 to 8 weeks for a patch, and our project deadline is sooner than that. I need to interface with the legacy system because even though the DBAs have ported things over to Oracle, they're still sorting things out and it's not reliable enough for me to make any meaningful progress. Fortunately, I've thought this through and abstracted the data subsystem well enough that I can drop-in repla
mircea_popescu: "I'm compiling a new version of libxml, so I can get the Python parser working. I need to do that because LXML, the Python binding, would crash under heavy load when I used the system default version of libxml. I am using LXML because BeautifulSoup doesn't have support for XPath. I need to do XPath transforms against the input because the legacy system we interact with doesn't send well-formed XML. We tried to get the
mircea_popescu: fuck you, if you don't recall why you're here you're red fucking riding hood here to meet the wolf, not a coder writing code.
mircea_popescu: benkay << i can't believe the guy actually proposed an inability to remember wtf he's doing and why as a sort of intellectual manliness.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going. << you fundamentally misunderstand revolutions.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills? << yes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: hm, can you connect to 0mq socket? << kako doesn't get enough sex so he's socketed all the things.
mircea_popescu: what is it with you bunch of ex brtish convicts over there!!1
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i forgot to add dogecoin creator jackson palmer to the list of .au scammers
mircea_popescu: benkay: the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125 << maybe it's so it reads right when you're drunk
xmj: people too lazy to fix their /etc/localtime.
mircea_popescu: who the hell is still on origin time after a month in a different timezone i wish to know ?!
decimation: mthreat your highest google result is the bbs interview - I like your model M keyboard in the background
decimation: are you going to make the logs searchable with his software?
mike_c: source code will have to be updated too obv, to add seeds.therealtco.org to the inital seed list.
mike_c: so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at the above IP address, we should have seeding.
mike_c: dig @54.197.241.190 seeds.therealaltcoin.org
decimation: I use the scare quotes for "buyer" because I'm not sure the word applies to someone giving money to someone in exchange for something they don't understand
decimation: it's hard to convince even the dumbest of the masses to pay more for less ... unless they don't know they are buying
decimation: well, a large chunk of "computer" "purchasers" have no idea what the hell they are buying, so I can see why they would do it
TheNewDeal: and somehow they continue to make a profit...
decimation: asciilifeform - I was spec'ing some Intel chips today, and realized that their marketing strategy (for all segments) relies on maximally obfuscating the functionality of their products
decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs?
TheNewDeal: here it is punkman, begin your hypothesis test on a fresh bet
decimation: they are automatically considered to be independent contractors even when employed and given a salary.
decimation: Congress took away the presumption that engineers can work as independent contractors, thus reducing their ability to be self employed.
decimation: "Introduced by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Section 1706 added a subsection (d) to Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978, which removed "safe harbor" exception for independent contractor classification (which at the time avoided payroll taxes) for workers such as engineers, designers, drafters, computer professionals, and "similarly skilled" workers."
assbot: 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: if you really want to move about mostly unbothered, I suggest a submarine. Or walk.
TheNewDeal: just quit the tortute already
TheNewDeal: I will happily trade my constant position location as long as I don't have to have another one of those updates. Do you hear me Big Brother? You've finally won
decimation: well, the data these guys use comes from "volunteers" who operate receivers attached to internet connection
TheNewDeal: if all flights were tracked so damn well at least I would have to wake up to another fucking Flight 379 update
decimation: except... " Blocking For security and privacy reasons information about some aircraft is limited or blocked." I wonder how you get into their wot?
decimation: MLAT In some regions with coverage from several FR24-receivers we also calculate positions of aircraft with the help of Multilateration (MLAT), by using a method known as Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA). ... That means that MLAT coverage can only be achieved above about 10000 feet as the probability that signal can be received by four or more receivers increases with increased altitude.
decimation: "mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report" << it's my understanding that you must file with IFR, which is generally high flight. Flying low in clear air (VFR) would be the ticket.
ThickAsThieves: i have a top around there though
TheNewDeal: where's the money to be made for those that mkfut ?
TheNewDeal: I never knew about the collateral cap on payout
mike_c: i believe withdrawal/asset transfers are the same
TheNewDeal: quiz question. If I were on coinbr, and then bought a MPOE account, what would he charge to transfer shares
TheNewDeal: mike_c my reason against coinbr is more of opportunity cost versus harboring any malice against the site or jurov
mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis.
mike_c: strategy like MPIF's is really based more on a belief about how the system works rather than statistical analysis.
mike_c: punkman: you can cut up the data you have into pieces. but I really don't think there's enough for much confidence in results.
punkman: mike_c, wanna make some synthetic data for testing?
mike_c: yup, i got that. just talking about the fees.
kakobrekla: the retarded standard is 2/20
mike_c: TheNewDeal: last comment from me, i'm really not trying to sell you. But that 'tiny percentage' you were talking about from hedge fund managers is usually 2%. which is the same fee as coinbr in your 10 BTC example.
TheNewDeal: is there a minimum for password protected bets?
mike_c: punkman: you should look into some of the theory about backtesting. like, you can't use the same data you develop your hypothesis on to test your strategy.
TheNewDeal: the thing I also like about bitbet is that you can pick off bets that are almost for sure winners, and look for a certain return
TheNewDeal: usually is a tiny percentage of what they manage
mike_c: ok. lemme ask this then. if you thought you could get a 20% return on coinbr in a year, would you invest 10 btc?
TheNewDeal: coinbr is restricted to MPOE stocks, and I'm very unfamiliar with them compared to those who trade
TheNewDeal: the return is sitting at ~9% over a 5 month period
TheNewDeal: let me throw out a hypothetical here
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mike_c: ;;gettrust TheNewDeal jurov
TheNewDeal: staying far from coinbr for the time being
mike_c: coinbr is full featured these days.
TheNewDeal: I don't have the capital to trade on mpoe
TheNewDeal: after 84'000 weight, there were only 2 Yes bets
TheNewDeal: I would rather earn a sure, small portion, versus risk a lot
mike_c: the majority were late when it was obvious.
TheNewDeal: The majority of those that bet Yes on May bet early
TheNewDeal: here's the thing
TheNewDeal: bet was started at the end of january
TheNewDeal: I bet at the end of march
mike_c: ok, so with your superior prognostication, what weight did you get on the may bet?
mike_c: TheNewDeal: everyone says that because 1) you can't draw a line from previous diff changes to future (see moore's law), and 2) despite this it just keeps marching up.
benkay: TheNewDeal: that TSLA bet is interesting - aren't we p.close to 250 already?
moiety: not the smallest window of time XD but i'll wait patiently :]
benkay: but also probably after the cardano ships
punkman: guy's doing some good there with that Jepsen thing
benkay: i'm not facing lots of writes but rather reads
TheNewDeal: part of the bet requires an actual decent estimate on what the diff will be at that point
TheNewDeal: tried to make a little hedge bet on with the next change and it backfired in my face
TheNewDeal: I wouldn't mind if the hash jumped off a cliff right now
TheNewDeal: this current potential change and the last
TheNewDeal: I guess the 12.44 wasn't that bad
benkay: TheNewDeal: mhm.
TheNewDeal: yes but this would have been a different situation, as bitcoin was $1000+ at the time
Mats_cd03: they get fucking bent over by manufacturers, mate
Mats_cd03: you think dealerships have the freedom to hold btc?
benkay: wow there's a fucking hack
Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: ^
kakobrekla: there ya go
benkay: i guess that's what you get when you sell directly - the freedom to take whatever
TheNewDeal: benkay totally confused me for a second there
Mats_cd03: from the way people pile on TSLA
Mats_cd03: you'd think he was jesus preparing to take the believers to live on mars
benkay: they just get a whiff and *blammmo* can't keep 'em off me
benkay: must be the stars.
Mats_cd03: i spent most of the last year doing firmware haxn in hopes id be good enough to apply for like jobs
Mats_cd03: i administered win machines and a few linux boxes for the nerds in the clean room at my last IT job
benkay: mike_c: you could be trying to run Jira yourself on the JVM. "not too little memory, not too much. just...right."
TheNewDeal: thought I was one on one with gribble there
benkay: "Code smells are usually not bugs—they are not technically incorrect and do not currently prevent the program from functioning. Instead, they indicate weaknesses in design that may be slowing down development or increasing the risk of bugs or failures in the future."
asciilifeform guesses it is the odour of perl used in confined quarters
gribble: Code smell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_smell>; Code Smells - Coding Horror: <http://blog.codinghorror.com/code-smells/>; CodeSmell - Martin Fowler: <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/CodeSmell.html>
benkay: lob it at a bunch of programmers, watch the sparks
mike_c: you know, without the annoying manager.
mike_c: somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going.
mike_c: ok. that computes. seems like a logistical nightmare though. who guards the dump truck with $400m in it?
asciilifeform: (same as other us currency)
mike_c: asciilifeform: so you're saying they filled up some duffel bags and walked out with $400m? that must have been heavy.
mike_c: who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills?
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mthreat: ok, or i can set up an http endpoint where you can POST irc entries as they come in
kakobrekla: ill set that up at some point then
mthreat: i haven't before, but if it's easy to do from java, then yeah
mthreat: cool.. i'll hit up said schmuck once it's live, and maybe we can have whatever process adds to the log also send it to the search engine, so it'll be instantly searchable
mthreat does this appear in the log
kakobrekla: given the bitcoin community state, id say that is unlikely
kakobrekla: well it could be that yes will pay for the next two years
punkman: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/ "Because the outcome is binary, if you bet randomly over a long enough horizon of bets you should break even (well, minus Bitbet’s 1% house edge)."
kakobrekla: short the world.
punkman: 0.1 is the magic number, 0.2 leaves you with only ~4 BTC net gain
punkman: total net gain is 36.3 BTC, then I subtracted 26.6 BTC that I would need for the 266 bets that had result = Yes