moiety: as an organiser, i find it rude telling me how to run things without a decent backup argument/reason and here are plenty that try. its just a hmnmo thx but i take note of the ideas
moiety: not at all mircea_popescu it's actually a good test for me, tells me how someone would be to work with. if the argument is articulate, it makes a huge difference right?
decimation: re: age: I've found that "adult children" are common in the us anyway
moiety: it across the board*
moiety: in terms of learning stuff here, i guess so mircea_popescu, but i have found in across board. there's some people i would hire that are half the age of those i wouldn't
decimation: re: public vpn: yeah but it keeps the ankelbiters away, kinda
benkay wriggles frantically in the sticky ropes
mircea_popescu: then WHAT DIFF DOES IT MAKE
benkay: homeboy is brokering insurance deals for the queer community left right and sideways. yet..."my clients".
decimation: I've always been confused why "device" makers don't integrate morse code into the phone/pad/whatever
benkay: my insurance guy won't even ride his bike naked in the naked bike ride
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that dataegg thing looks like the earlier nutso kbd
decimation: heh, the smart ones do
asciilifeform: this is eerily reminiscent of the discussion about folks who use their given names, vs. 'hard' pseudonyms
decimation: I think they market to military deployed overseas in countries that have firewalls
asciilifeform: decimation: among other reasons
mircea_popescu: "the leading provider of home technology services"
decimation: I guess I don't like the idea of my actual IP being spammed everywhere
asciilifeform: i still don't get the point of connecting to freenode using a spam proxy
decimation: for some reason the openvpn client on linux lags to shit constantly
mircea_popescu: they could have a big iron
asciilifeform: there were sane people:
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mircea_popescu: you only think that becaus they looked like a cona to you.
mircea_popescu: the first clams ?
gribble: Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC>; The Motorola StarTAC is Back, in Yellow - Gizmodo: <http://gizmodo.com/5672422/the-motorola-startac-is-back-in-yellow>; Motorola StarTAC 130 - lëkki: <http://www.lekki.fr/en/10-motorola-startac>
mircea_popescu: i dunno they were ever that interesting
decimation: just like 'computers' were varied and interesting, and then all converged to wintel shitbox
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and i recall the tests : morse is faster than texting.
decimation: right, that's my point about phones (ascii has pointed this out before) - they are all converging on iphone clones
mircea_popescu: i bet you most people could whistle more wpm than they natively type
mircea_popescu: fucking "innovation" consisting of everyone making the same 3 games and 2 apps over and over AND OVER again
decimation: I agree, but if you are going to eat turds they might as well have a good keyboard
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd rather have to whislte 8 baud into it than have to type on tha small shit
decimation: well, I would argue that physical phone keyboards are a better match for the occasional typing needed, compared to a touchscreen input
benkay: i grew up typing on them
mircea_popescu: the name is PHONE
decimation: mircea, are you saying the touchscreen is a better interface for typing?
decimation: most of them are plastic now
asciilifeform: much of the supposed speed gains of recent decade were achieved using 'instruction re-ordering'
decimation: even in more modern stuff there is this effect. Look at features that are dying off in cell phones
mircea_popescu: decimation> the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive << i bought new desktop cases here. i could punch a hole threough the things
asciilifeform: (incidentally, you can get usb fixtures that will talk to an isa card. unsuitable for the piano - no 'hard real time' guarantee on usb!)
asciilifeform: recently toured university's music lab. they have a player piano, similar to the well-known mechanical kind, but electronic - pressure sensors, a disk full of recordings of famous pianists playing. disk on ms-dos box. 386.
asciilifeform: the things that never upgrade - run on boxes that have never crashed.
asciilifeform: these will get upgraded. because they're already running on crashy turd, no big change
decimation: the symbolics stuff is certainly an example
asciilifeform: the 'heirloom computer' is old, old hat.
asciilifeform: i know quite a few people who use hardware built before or shortly after they were born, for which no 'modern' adequate replacement exists
assbot: Why the Best Days of Open Hardware are Yet to Come « bunnie's blog
gribble: The SCHEME-79 Chip: <http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334>; SCHEME+79 Chip: <ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/pdf/AIM-559.pdf>; Loper OS » Shards of Lost Technology, and the Need for High-Level ...: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46>
decimation: right I remember your post about sussman trying to dodge the "why did you give up" question
asciilifeform: (i've invented not one of these things)
hanbot: i barely managed myself, thing's built for the vertically challenged
mircea_popescu: none of the really tiny ones were open ot public
hanbot: mircea_popescu how did you fit through the doorways?!
mircea_popescu: (been there btw. imo not all that it's cracked up to be)
assbot: Winchester Mystery House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: well, the Winchester old bint built a castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House
mircea_popescu: was exactly the same thing, in its time's typeface.
decimation: right, but it wasn't The West Powered By Intel
asciilifeform: security is only one casualty of the crud flood
decimation: yeah but the difference is that those first 'explorers' were generally unable to dominate the world's market
mircea_popescu: we'll finally be in a position to put some fences up and make sense of the damned thing.
mircea_popescu: security wasn't high on the list of gold seeking miners, or of cowboys,
mircea_popescu: well, security was not the first priority. it rarely is, when going over new space.
asciilifeform: the 'computer industry' loves the crapfest, though. ('employment!' see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 etc)
decimation: this is a pretty simple thought experiment, and the obvious conclusion is that computers (as they are now) are hopelessly insecure
mircea_popescu: i mean you're basically asking, "suppose you could be killed by trying to fuck scorpions in the tail. do you suppose fucking habits would change ?"
mircea_popescu: they would have to
asciilifeform: everybody can get behind the impalement of author of 'heartbleed' but problem goes deeper.
mircea_popescu: basically, "self-seeking" addicted college kids being given the reins of the country.
mircea_popescu: all in the name of "open society of knowledge" and "progress" and generally speaking the mistaken view that exploring the space of opportunities is more valuable than staying in one piece
benkay: i guess tho that's an artifact of operating in an environment where they're not held liable for their work?
benkay: i always figured that was the insane war chest they have and the mountain of paper under which they'd bury anyone.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: but he's not wearing an overcoat, he's got a nice pair of slacks and a collared tee, and everyone except the weirdos in the corner are drinking with him.
mircea_popescu: the notion that derps imagining themselves involved and part of and etc still treat hearn as anything but vomit behind a bar is perhaps the best argument against democracy.
mircea_popescu: all in the name of the "needed" pki, which was never needed by us, it was needed by nsa.
mircea_popescu: he also merged heartbleed into the codebase.
mircea_popescu: hearn didn't just fuck the db and get bitcoin forket
benkay: the people who wrote PHP's rand?
benkay: i'm way out of my domain on this, but who gets the spike? devs on openssl and bitcoind > 0.6?
mircea_popescu: as if this were any kind of argument. as if crops don't fail exactly the same way. etc
mircea_popescu: it went something like, "if a lock fails that lock can be replaced, but if software failed ALL a company's products fail at the same time so there's nobody to absorb the costs"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish i recall who wrote the example with the locks, in favour of software tort immunity
mircea_popescu: as if bitcoin'd suffer from a complete ban on all the tard venues, or computers from a complete disappearance of bad software
mircea_popescu: rms and co really meant "bad software" but just said "software", and "plain language" being what it is, who's to know the difference.
benkay: nah, torch anyone who implemented it in their own codebasen. no crime in releasing shit to the world, only a crime to put that shit in your cliquot
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how it was argued for software responsibility immunity in the 80s : that ALL software failures are clearly of a coal-abl etype, and so not granting immunity would make software "impossible"
mircea_popescu: benkay> two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle. << dumbass approach imo, but hey
benkay: so while best practices are a thing and brokers do get put to the coals, as with all regulated things only the dumb and most obviously rule-breaky are going to get their feet torched. i can't imagine it being any other way with programmering - the smart ones will shift the blame to the dumb ones, who will take the fall. age old story.
benkay: two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle.
benkay: the people doing the sale failed to do it on their own at 900k, so this vulture swooped in, started ratcheting the price down and as all the buyers trickled in said something along the lines of "I know that this isn't really what you're looking for, but how about I give you a call sometime next week and I'll show you some houses that might fit your budget and expectations a little bit better".
benkay: house immediately downhill from the 'rents went on sale for 900k, reasoning being "well it was built by and inhabited by Dr. Hawthorne of this grand street a few blocks over who also built the insanitarium at the top of said street which is now a seminary"
benkay: <mircea_popescu> decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.
mircea_popescu: btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ?
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/The_new_woman--wash_day.png << genderbendin' in 1910
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you buy this or similar unit, make sure it eats 220v. these, unlike pc power supply, aren't omnivorous.
mircea_popescu: The BitPay prompt for payment seems awkwardly designed to me, particularly in that the text version of the payment address is very tiny. << I heard this in the form of "wow, they're really trying to stop you from copying pasting it huh". no idea wtf they;'d be thinking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you only have surges, never dips, ferroresonant gizmo would also work. but they're loud.
mircea_popescu: On and off, Ive had the urge to acquire physical Bitcoin coins to give to family and invest/collect them for myself. I have never purchased any sort of collectible coin before, nor have I ever purchased precious metals. << weird what btc does to people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gxt3' is still sold. and of course there's a dozen or so other vendors who sell similar units.
asciilifeform: this kind of gizmo works by running rectifier (mains to 48v dc) at all times, connected to cell bank, and on the exit, inverter (48v dc to local mains voltage ac) likewise at all times
mircea_popescu: by now i'm drastically past the threshold of doorman telling me apart "you know i've never seen so much computer equipment since i work here"
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. power surge during write operation -> destroyed boot.
moiety: "can guess faster than they can learn" lol perfect
mircea_popescu: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725987 (the entire plain words) conundrum, bitcoinpete got me the best in for the best example known to man. http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/#comment-791
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/
moiety: i see the loss of BB was too much for cosmos
Cosmos: I brought entertainment & then I faded down to a speck of nothing
mircea_popescu: plus, girls like the half hour movie torrent time
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mircea_popescu: (not even kidding, i got the top package of everyone, loadbalancing it)
mircea_popescu: all of them.
Cosmos: we'll be beset w/ another mainstreamer flood, from Jul 4th Independence
asciilifeform started crackpot career by reading at&t unix as described in 'lions book' and setting out to 'take out mistakes' - then noticed that result is... empty space
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess you'll get to find out what the swat vans are for soon
asciilifeform: and some mistakes (the need for a compiler) aren't so easy to take out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ianal, but it'd seem cribbing is better. rather than writing from scratch and inventing a new mistakes-space, they just take out some mistakes of a well documenterd space
mircea_popescu: the purring one for you, prrolly
asciilifeform: decimation: russia/native cpu << see earlier 'elbrus.' wake me up when they cough up own os, rather than cribbing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, there have been so many ties
BingoBoingo: How long is one of these football games anyway?
Cosmos: @mircea No, that was after bingo muted me randomly, so I copied the stuff I'd pasted afterwards, that didnt appear here, this whole statement of mine was in reference to YOU mircea not me obviously lol
mircea_popescu: maybe im the one that least hates alts
moiety: and yet still would not exist had there been no preceeding bitcoin Cosmos
mircea_popescu: but they're in cold storage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'haxxing' article - if you want something other than lamers for the butterfly collection, cut apart those dead mobos & disks, rather than read server logs
Cosmos: yea they're just rip-offs cept for those that don't use btc tech at all..but, some still have good, relevant, unique applications, and quite a few have presented astronomical % gain opportunities, just cashout to BTC b4 the dump and keep multiplying it.......
Cosmos: it's heresy to talk of BTC in cryptocointalk, for instance. heresy to spend more than a couple words about alts, (they're all 'shtcoins') in bitcointalk, for instance
Cosmos: 2 widely-chasm'd camps, hating each other
Cosmos: like, there's this huge, funny rivalry
mircea_popescu: like all the big cats, bb likes to play
mircea_popescu: echo is the girl that loved narcis
gribble: Echo | Define Echo at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/echo>; Echo - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/echo>; Echo - definition of Echo by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Echo>
Cosmos: ppl will see the 'echo' note, and immediate echo by gribble or whoever, so... the troll from it won't work..? dunno what other reason they'd echo for lol
moiety: excuse us while we don't weep for the loss of your great hopes
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BingoBoingo: ;;google site:thedrinkingrecord.com baseball
mircea_popescu: people that follow sports can't be given a ton of power either ?
Cosmos: Maybe I won't register after all, my great hopes for this chan getting non-negligibly crushed the minute I saw traditional sports talk
mircea_popescu: nobody is there.
mircea_popescu: corrientes, which is a major avenue, is COVERED in swat vans, fire trucks, miles of it from the center.
Cosmos: asked cuz it didnt the first time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they lost ?!
Cosmos: that's a mathematical impossibility, i'm afraid
mircea_popescu: so interested bystanders can just get the number
mircea_popescu: moiety i think they just do phone number footsole tattoos now
moiety awaits the deserved "mug" forehead tattoo
mircea_popescu: i've never loved baba gnoush as much as i do here. i'm up for it brakfast lunch and dinner, it's crazy. these folkjs eat nothing but meat.
moiety: ahh, never apparently. At the end, I was told there wasn't the initial "falling in love"... i was a convenient wallet/housekeeper/etc mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/
Cosmos: no thats the most awesome thing
Cosmos: tv is the champion of average, excused mediocrity, the scourge of original thought & achievement
mircea_popescu: heartbreak results, in the lucky circumstances where the girl didn't go invest 9 months into the theory.
mircea_popescu: moiety guy "falls in love", tells girl, she believes him, two years later he grows tired of the tediousness of it.
Cosmos: tv represents the Western garbage, the consumerism, the ads, the complacency, the mainstream conformism
Cosmos: now you rly talk of the epitome of intellectual laze
mircea_popescu: moiety should i ask you how oft were you the unwitting girlfriend of such greatness or better hold my peace ?
mircea_popescu: maybe learning isn't the right word.
Cosmos: yea nubbins, I've lost 13k in last 8 years learning the hard way, how to trade
mircea_popescu: that's the only reasonable path.
Cosmos: leading the scientist team
Cosmos: I'm supposed to be the boss
mircea_popescu: so you're intellectually lazy and prefer to dream shit up rather than do anything.
Cosmos: and it wasn't the case at all
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im making the losses to cover for all of em
nubbins`: isn't it funny how everyone on irc is a "trader" and they all make money
Cosmos: Indeed, the 4chan way
gribble: Error: "then," is not a valid command.
Cosmos: & then, started trading
mircea_popescu: Cosmos so what did you study then ?
moiety: You really should be getting yourself authed too
mircea_popescu: Cosmos im not claiming. im actually authed.
Cosmos: i mean, that you in this IRC, is the actual Mircea, thats super-googleable personality, you know
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://projectplatypus.pbworks.com/w/page/19140696/A%20Man%20for%20All%20Seasons << actually there's script iyc
Cosmos: the alt called altcoin itself?
mircea_popescu: he was asking you about altcoin, not about all that other crap.
mircea_popescu: Cosmos this is like the 3rd thing you completely missed :)
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Cosmos: ~ E N C Y C L O P E D I C A L T C O I N S D A T A B A S E ~ * = Virtual CryptoCurrencies marked w/ "*" symbol are not currently listed on Cryptsy/MintPal's BTC-/LTC-Denominated Markets at the moment, & are thus pending larger-scale community adoption. ꜝ = This symbol denotes that the name or acronym entered for the CryptoCurrency in question is merely a personally-preferred colloquial term, and not the actual ter
nubbins`: i know michail1 and maybe Blazedout419 are into them
nubbins`: tat, sorry, got your message. gold ones look cool but i don't really keep up with them
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know the quote i had in mind ?
Cosmos: The forum crap I just did for like
Cosmos: help me then
mthreat: damn you passed on the milanesa
nubbins`: we easily forget that 25 is the new 15
Cosmos: the school implication
moiety: the crypto ones are usually pretty dead and you won't find more wit than here
mircea_popescu: Cosmos do they have confirmation bias where you go to school ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, im taking the mutual entertainment bit seriously.
Cosmos: is there any cryptorelated IRC channel
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah apparently it's all of the west of south america + central
nubbins`: fun fact, peruvians call their tongue "castellano" as well
Cosmos: It's the psychology of 'return the favor' - when wanting something, ask/suggest being given a minute fraction of it, to make the other party comfortable about your humility and more likely to actually give the whole amount you ulteriorly desired in the first place
mircea_popescu: no, but ima lay it on all the frigid uruguayan chix
nubbins`: did anyone win the chess tourney after?
mircea_popescu: the avatars of youth.
mircea_popescu: yes i get it, you were kidding after the fact, like that xfg or w/e his name was.
nubbins`: see, that'd be a good cover story for dov charney, if it weren't for the fact that he was strolling around a clothing factory naked ;(
Cosmos: I thought they'd be dressed
mircea_popescu: and they were naked.
mircea_popescu: she was not, either.
mircea_popescu: the two have nothing in common except for western ignorance.
Cosmos: The strong don't fear power, those with true integrity, like Buddha, and Gandhi
mircea_popescu: power is taken, not given, little grashopper. and your humble nonsense makes you both the most dangerous and the least likely to succeed character.
Cosmos: Given power, I will try my best to give as many deserving people as possible, better opportunities for improving their lives
Cosmos: I do not think I personally deserve much (ego) therefore I am near-incorruptible
nubbins`: you tip someone, you'll get above-average service. you bribe someone, you'll get standard rather than sub-par
mircea_popescu: whereas tips fall squarely in the charity thing
Cosmos: you donate because I will change the world for good