justusranvier: The spooks want Total Information Awareness. Zuckerberg is paid to get as many people as possible to opt in to surveillance.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's lots we agree on :D
mircea_popescu: so what, the reason i don't; buy an android tho i could afford to buy the engineer designing it is that... wait for it... it never occured to me to get... internet weather ?
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the most fucktarded business model i ever read.
mircea_popescu: drug of sorts users who may be able to afford data services and phones these days just dont see the point of why they would pay for those data services. This would give them some context for why they are important, and that will lead them to paying for more services like this or so the hope goes."
mircea_popescu: According to a TechCrunch article, Zuckerberg's vision for Internet.org was as follows: "The idea, he said, is to develop a group of basic internet services that would be free of charge to use 'a 911 for the internet.' These could be a social networking service like Facebook, a messaging service, maybe search and other things like weather. Providing a bundle of these free of charge to users will work like a gateway
mircea_popescu: this was in the contract.
mircea_popescu: yesterday i had a girl over, and the local girl and the new girl managed the use of the kitchen together.
justusranvier: Before the State took over and made things rediculous
mircea_popescu: the eastern sages, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even going there, we supplement "meaningful" to serve his position.
asciilifeform: justusranvier: let's try degenerate case. 'mr x owes mr y the following amount, in satoshis...' [followed by a 100MB turd from rng]
mircea_popescu: so by this measure marriage contracts are the most complex contracts that can exist.
justusranvier: If a contract is fully specified in some tangible form, then the amount of entropy in the explaination is inversely proportional to the simpleness.
mircea_popescu: and they are still verbal today.
mircea_popescu: how do you score simpleness then ?
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: I consider marriage contracts to be relatively simple, especially the verbal ones before the state started getting involved.
mircea_popescu: in the news : whatsapp revenue climbs to record 3.8 bn for quarter 2 (about $8500 per user), making the ~250mn profit trickling down to facebook slightly better than what it'd have got if it simply bought gilts for 20bn.
mircea_popescu: one of the best things about a lot of floor space and stuff like parquet is that you can go for long chair rides
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "Well see why nobody uses arbitrarily-complex verbal contracts in practise by looking at what happens when something goes wrong." << this is nonsense. marriage is always and in all places the most complex contract, and almost always verbal.
mircea_popescu: and there we go!
pankkake: I watched it because of the music
thestringpuller: yea. I have no idea why the fuck I watched it.
thestringpuller: ^- there we go
thestringpuller: with the rapist kids with aids?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller but u dun have to.
cazalla: does anyone know a Shane Stevenson, Matthew K (don't know last name) behind the recent cointree.com.au exchange?
moiety: i didn't even notice the floss... not gonna lie
hanbot: i'm having a hard time getting past the juxtaposition of butt and flossing o.O
moiety: ihave these ones http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mDx0wlUQZZ0W1p4BvqSl7Gg.jpg i wonder if i could do a swap?
mircea_popescu: he does have the cutest butt doesn't he.
moiety: i could stick a red light in the window see what happens i guess XD
moiety: yeah lol curtain poles... there were just blinds up before when i moved in
hanbot: now there's a catchy pasta name
hanbot: and no, it's not for "helping" with anything other than ostrich impressionism
hanbot: was watching logs, wondering if they eventually went out and asked the homeless people what they thought of that chart, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "Frankly, its time to put the scary parallels between now and 1929 to rest. This isnt 1929. Not even close. Anyone who tells you differently is talking nonsense."
mircea_popescu: pankkake: author of the article kills himself, 6 bullets in the head << 6 mysterious bullets to the head that'll make you believe there's a god ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that was the one most lulzy piece of lulz i have seen in my entire life. ty vm.
mircea_popescu: "Its like putting a disturbed, isolated teenager in front of violent first-person shooter video games all day. If we know that most Americans are scared to invest in their own future, whats the reason to fuel that fear even further? Sadism? Or just plain exploitative greed?"
mircea_popescu: clearly. i blame asciilifeform. he wrecked the us economy.
mircea_popescu: The reason why this bothers me is twofold first, it frightens investors into making poor decisions big decisions that will have a major impact on their mental health and financial condition well into the future. Second, the more we see this kind of pornography, the more likely it is to have an impact on crowd psychology and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. "
mircea_popescu: " Daniel Wiener, chief executive at Adviser Investments in Newton, Mass., blamed the Internet"
mircea_popescu: "Heres a look at the chart comparing point moves and percentage moves. On a percentage basis, this spooky comparison doesnt look quite so frightful."
mircea_popescu: that was some numerous email slamming back then.
mircea_popescu: yeah dude totally, recall the email slamming of 1959 ?
mircea_popescu: "I have been in this business for over 43 years, yet I do not ever recall getting as slammed with the same email as many times as I have about"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i like how the original title included "scary" but then editors took it out
nubbins`: tough to ship, i always thought they got those things made locally
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ;;later tell thestringpuller you mean like life-size cardboard cutouts? the kind you'd find at a Lord of the Rings premiere?
ThickAsThieves: then, proof! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/26/time-to-officially-stick-a-fork-in-that-1929-chart/
ThickAsThieves: i love how their main argument is that the % is much less severe than portrayed, like everything would be daisies if the market dropped 40% or whatever
assbot: Why the 1929 Chart Is a Bunch of Nonsense - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: i guess the crash is imminent, there-is-no-bubble propaganda: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/14/why-the-scary-1929-chart-is-a-bunch-of-nonsense/
ThickAsThieves: passphrase functionality on brainwallet.org, I used the random button to create the addresses."
ThickAsThieves: "I was an idiot and assumed that the "random" button on brainwallet.org was truly random, but it clearly is not. My coins were taken by someone who is clearly smarter than myself and this is completely my fault by creating Bitcoin addresses on a website that I assumed was safe. There's a $20k life lesson that I'll never forget, that's for sure. Also, to elaborate, I did not use the
BingoBoingo: Peronism, The Falkland Islands, Financial Shennanigans, Argentina is basically the Eric Cartman of International Intrigue
mircea_popescu: argentina paid its conversion debt and is going to stiff the vulture funds.
mike_c: well, they made money on a fiat basis :D
mike_c: it's not even a share of s.mg. it's a share of a unit of havelol's smg fund. but the discount is counterparty, plus the difference of havelock investor opinion vs. mpex investor opinion (or IQ).
benkay: mircea_popescu: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/06/17/bitpagos-raises-600000-seed-round-to-boost-bitcoin-use-in-south-america/?KEYWORDS=bitpagos another for the DERP
mircea_popescu: smartiferous should totally be a thing. the ooze of ferrous craneus
assbot: Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition
mircea_popescu: At the risk of stemming the stimulating debate revolving around OGNasty's smartiferous proposition "losing money on various bitcoin investings is teh road to riches,"
ThickAsThieves: i wanted the price to be murky
benkay: my goal is to have at least 5 in the top-of-all-time
ThickAsThieves: but if it were ubiquitous in the game, itd get used
mircea_popescu: depends who buys it. if any non alligned buyer actually makes a serious offer, upwards of 25mn. if nobody gets involved and the original plan can proceed, 15mn or so.
ThickAsThieves: problem is no one i know in dota uses bitcoin, and oddly a couple weeks ago they just all stopped signing on
ThickAsThieves: how much do you guys think the SR coins will auction for?
mircea_popescu: pankkake: understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions << perhjaps, but you gotta understand, there's no game in the world that's cheaper than 1k.
ThickAsThieves: happens to the best of us
ThickAsThieves: curation of original content, convenience -- the new equivalent of a good TV channel
cuwirebeard: And just as govts burn(ed) books theyll burn...internets!
ThickAsThieves: i had their mifi
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did say the case tho. i mean, grow, sure, fine. doing what ?
ThickAsThieves: i think they can surive and even grow in the long term, i just wouldnt invest in them long term
ThickAsThieves: it wont be long before TV is computer and channels are websites, etc, just as netflix gains ground, theyll gain competition from all over
mircea_popescu: it left one of the largest craters in dotcom history.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know what tried that ? the original company hiring the pierce muppet as a male twink escort.
ThickAsThieves: they justw wont grow as quickly as market wants
mircea_popescu: "Young male founders must all be drinking the same Soylent. Either that or they have a hard time
" USING THE NOGGIN ?
ThickAsThieves: they arew going to go down to 390
moiety: gpg is the only encryption for me :D
moiety: i wouldve like nubbins` to print a top with #bitcoin lower back and then wee shorts with -assets on the arse
ThickAsThieves: a set of shirts, where one shirt has a can and half a string, and the other shirt has the other can
punkman: maybe another tshirt for nubbins to print
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters. <<< ahahaha epic
chetty: that is like the like worst article evea
mike_c: you know what makes an article easier to read? italicizing the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: i don;t think they have cunts in this cuntry.
mircea_popescu: there we go
assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/ << i got my cards.
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/29313f/why_do_you_invest/ for more lulz. I mean, there's a clear objective demonstration that investing on havelock is a pretty sure loss, and they… ignore it
mike_c: hah. that is humor. "At first I started investing in these things because I thought I was actually helping the bitcoin ecosystem. It turns out I've been helping the twat-waffles of the bitcoin ecosystem."
BingoBoingo: Dude buys thing, then buys thing again from himself
kakobrekla: >I'm not unable. I'm unwilling. There is a difference. I won't bother you with details of licenses and fiduciary duties, blah, blah, blah... Instead I will just say that any recommendation I gave could be viewed as a conflict of interest due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security. Therefore, I am not willing to give you a recommendation on a specific investment, only to educate you so th
ThickAsThieves: The stock was priced near the top of its range at $24 a share and quickly rose to $30 in early trading, meaning the company is worth a little more than $3 billion.
pankkake: I'm not sure the concept will ever be practical but I'd really like it. that's why I like full grown PCs
ThickAsThieves: as the GoPro IPO was today
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/26/5845930/google-turns-on-its-crazy-modular-phone-in-public-for-the-first-time
jborkl: thestringpuller : Thank you also
jborkl: Hi, got your message thestringpuller
pankkake: but anyway, gamers were mining quite early, but perhaps they sold early too
ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing) /// it's kinda surprising how little Bitcoin has penatrated the gamer community
BingoBoingo: I don't think any of the line books that tried e-stuff were able to keep it up
pankkake: I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing)
pankkake: understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions
BingoBoingo: But Bitbet had to stop the bleeding
BingoBoingo: The comments are the best "I admire their "give up" attitude." "Not enoug people give up"
pankkake: BingoBoingo: at least they decided to end it early
pankkake: oh, I hate dropbox, I consider that everything you put there is public
assbot: The Laundry Quarters Delivery Startup Is Dead (And in Hell?)
BingoBoingo: OMG the better alternative to CoinBase died http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-laundry-quarters-startup-is-dead-1596481798/+laceydonohue
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well other than the frequent dropbox security breaches let everyone know you have a wallet.dat
moiety: jesus they can't be helped: "i need an online wallet" "don't use an online wallet, use dropbox!" *facedesk*
ThickAsThieves: the song is sorta like AMAZING COMPANY
moiety: i can now thank BB for two of the most awful things i have ever seen and cannot unsee
BingoBoingo: It really is the worst socialist propoganda I've been exposed to.
moiety: do you really wish you had seen it form the start? 35 seconds was enough for me to want to peel my own skin off
ThickAsThieves: so picked up the movie halfway in
ThickAsThieves: no, i ran out of other things i felt like doing
moiety: half? did you try to exit the plane half way?
ThickAsThieves: the everything is awesome song is pretty awesome tho
ThickAsThieves: i watched half of the lego movie in a flight
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because you run a dogecoin cam site on the side?
moiety: why the fuck have people been telling me this movie is good?
moiety: jesus christ is the dogers in lego form
BingoBoingo: moiety: You didn't watch the horror video did you?
pankkake: thestringpuller: with the url, I was thinking "this may be a json like doge but that's such a silly thing why do I even think about that"
benkay: <mircea_popescu> it just doesn't pay. // how is this not a default? am i missing the sarcasm?
moiety: thanks. i hope it's enough. i was trying to be as connected as possible over the move.
ThickAsThieves: kako why arent you in the picture?
kakobrekla: >“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters.
pankkake: wait their lanyards say "fucking amazing"
assbot: The Bitcoin Economy's 'Backbone' Is Bitstamp, An Exchange Run By Two Young Slovenians - Forbes
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/government-sale-bitcoin-establishes-fungibility-precedent/ Regardless of the morality of pre-trial asset forfeiture, the sale via auction of approximately $17 million worth of bitcoin by the USMS will establish the first governmental precedent for bitcoin fungibility, which could become significant for future bitcoin-related cases involving ‘blacklisting’, or ‘tainted bitcoin’.
ThickAsThieves: it hit a little under 1200 in the past year
ThickAsThieves: my guess is you can squeeze out about 10% of an altcoins market cap if you sell no faster than 10% of the time it's existed
Duffer1: there's only 18.4 btc buys on mcxnow
pankkake: it's the power of asshole pumping
pankkake: I got banned from /r/litecoin, and before that had posts stealth-deleted. they're bagholding so hard!
ThickAsThieves: thats how they git ya!
ThickAsThieves: but similar in that he's doing what makes sense to him and fuck otherwise
Duffer1: i like the nature of elons projects
pankkake: is he the new steve jobs?
ThickAsThieves: BRK.B shareprice just hit the top of a longterm channel, but it's a steep one so it could get to $135 still
mircea_popescu: artifexd can []bot take a search and return the result from bitbet ?
ThickAsThieves: i was trying to chart BRK.B today because of the new bitbet, it's well-priced
mircea_popescu: obviously there's no reason to distrust new york.
mircea_popescu: ok, sorry everyone! the order shall fire at, lemme see here
ThickAsThieves: and then a day later my price is below needed?
ThickAsThieves: the difference with not firing the ipo when you said you would is i gotta spend more time watching the orderbook to get in, which i suppose could be your plan, letting bids swell
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's like, "tvs from 59.99". doesn't mean any tv in the shop is 60 bux
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/anonibet-talks-bitcoin-foundation-membership-world-cup-contest/ " company decided to formally support the Bitcoin Foundation"
mircea_popescu: other than not doing what i had intended / you thought i said! what i actually said however, is starting on.
ThickAsThieves: other than not doing what you said
mircea_popescu: anyway, the story is, was gonna do it yest but wanted to have bitcoin active so waiting a little for mike.
mircea_popescu: i must be a native asshole the way i phrase these things, i had fully intended it be done yest, but look that it actually supports eventual reality.
mircea_popescu: well it listed on the 25th
ThickAsThieves: i meant the ipo
mircea_popescu: there you go tat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
chetty: long live the breakage
mircea_popescu: i'm an intellectual, and therefore a critic.
ThickAsThieves: Government warns of 'merciless' retaliation if US doesn't ban the actors' comedy
assbot: North Korea threatens war on USA over 'gangster filmmaker' Seth Rogen and James Francos Kim Jong-un assassination movie - People - News - The Independent
ThickAsThieves: has the topic of this NK comedy movie been brought up here?
ThickAsThieves: maybe your vision for the world has horrible implications
chetty: the cycles will go around, probably wont be MP but hitler will come again, someday
mircea_popescu: the problem with being hitler is that you can actually reach this point where you've read too much to be one.
ThickAsThieves: maybe it took the bullshit of our current state for someone to inspire to create Bitcoin, in turn, maybe you are the next Hitler
ThickAsThieves: observing the ebb and flow of necessity and invention
mircea_popescu: where's that hobbes quote about how everyone's life is basically the result of surrender to the state, which may at its option dispose of it ? thus everyone's a slave ?
chetty: The court said Thursday that President Barack Obama exceeded his authority when he invoked the Constitution's provision on recess appointments to fill slots on the National Labor Relations Board in 2012.
mircea_popescu: a free man is exactly NOT the guy who has to make a deal as to anything with anyone. none of this "to fly on the plane you must turn off your portable perfume dispenser" bs.
mircea_popescu: just like an artisan is exactly NOT the guy who has a three ring binder telling him how to move and what shovel to use when, as per company policy
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's my understanding that it's that apportioning that's the cause of evil.
mircea_popescu: famously plato tried to bribe the jury with 30 minae in socrates' case
mircea_popescu: the greeks didn't have it. it was an all or nothing affair.
mircea_popescu: there's this constant negotiation and apportioning of things.
chetty: the counter party risk is something we really need
mircea_popescu: now contrast this with the very invasive modern style, as epitomised by the us system : you're allowed out of prison as long as you promise to not x y z
mircea_popescu: if not, the accuser was.
mircea_popescu: well basically, anyone having a problem with someone could sue before the city. the arguments reduced to "the other party sucks". if the suit was successful the other party was banished (killed, originally, but then they softened).
moiety: ThickAsThieves: I've heard some places are taking taxes out automatically without saying so, is the 91 equivalent to some income tax rate or such? << totally can't pinpoint exactly. in one breath they say it's their fee, in the next it's the banks but i've never had fees from my bank for incoming before. lesson learned.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/
ThickAsThieves: So to distill your post, are you saying that we give up freedom for i-cant-believe-its-not-freedom because it's easy/comfortable/safe and now you want some real-butter IRC because you tasted real-butter bitcoin? Or are you just pointing out that people typically think they are more free than they really are (or, at least, willing to acknowlege).
mircea_popescu: the collision was, some guy made an order, trilema came back "pay x". he didn't. months later, other guy made order, trilema said "pay x" same x.
mircea_popescu: sounds like the guest. put your cookie back in.
pankkake: it's the guest credits
ThickAsThieves: my cookie didnt work for a few days, then it did, but now i only have 4 credits left, or maybe thats' just the guest credits
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if i'm the guy who had the same trilema credits hash or whatever as someone else
assbot: The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ << request for arguments.
ThickAsThieves: Convicted Heavy Metal ‘Christian’ Singer Admits Being Atheist, Duped Fans to Sell Music
BingoBoingo: chetty: You call the stupid dudes basic bitches
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2955z7/who_the_fuck_sent_108_btc_to_the_correct_horse/ < rofl
pankkake: especially since it would be wrong to say replica then!
Azelphur: If you say "set the jumpers on that drive to replica" nobody has a fuckin clue what you are on about
Azelphur: the annoying part is that master and slave have been around since the dawn of time, it's a technical term and you can't just go write random bullshit, this is what people don't seem to get
ThickAsThieves: So the manipulators on BTC-e dont even need to schedule pumps anymore
Azelphur: oh god not the slave and master thing again
pankkake: maybe they code in Django and are upset
pankkake: but they used Slave and Master
ThickAsThieves: "PAMM technology allows a trader to open a "Slave" Account and follow a trading strategy of another professional and experienced bitcoin trader (Master)." "Using PAMM Account rating, charts and feedback from other traders you can easily tackle the tough task of selecting a successful and professional Master to follow." ~BTC-e
pankkake: protect us from Anglo-Saxon culture, homosexuals and the free market, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they regret 1984 isn't a thing. either as depicted in fiction or as enacted by the soviets, they want the dull gray concrete damn it
pankkake: and the French are clearly afraid of everything
pankkake: that's what I tell my fellow Frenchmen. the right is fairly popular, but also fairly socialist
mircea_popescu: is actually also one of the most rabidly conservative.
pankkake: not that it will change in any way how I shop. more money for amazon in the end… lol
mircea_popescu: i find it very amusing that france, one of the most socialist places in the history of the world,
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pankkake: intern, slave, what's the difference? :)
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I wonder if community manager is ever a real job. I've only seen interns do it << it's generally what you hire slaves under training collars to do as their first thing.
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