pankkake: otherwise, it's in my namecoin profile: http://oneid.io/pankkake http://dns.dnschain.net/id/pankkake
mp_a_colonia: (or for unsafety, in the same way)
fluffypony: you have to auth once and then it's listed as your BTC addy, afaik?
pankkake: perhaps I should add it to gribble, though I don't want it as an authentification mechanism
fluffypony: good point - I suppose the only time I pay attention to sigs is when I'm looking for something
pankkake: I just feel like the one in the signature is too obnoxious and might actually reduce donations
fluffypony: pankkake: I enjoyed their post and then found their donation address from their profile or from their signature
pankkake: fluffypony: yes, but was it because of the signature? I've got some donations, but that was not from that, and the donators made themselves known
mp_a_colonia: fluffypony, if he had the sense to keep the 2k btc from that disastrous silver sale back a year ago he's got plenty of btc to matter yes.
fluffypony: pankkake: I've donated to gmaxwell and a couple of others who have made particularly insightful posts
fluffypony: asciilifeform: the difference being that Pietila actually does have a reasonable shitload of money (which presumably comes from using daddy's bankroll and not completely fucking it up)
mp_a_colonia: fluffypony, i get the exact same thing yes.
fluffypony: I get the feeling he comes from wealth, which could lead to the "trying to get daddy's approval" complex
fluffypony: meh, mp_a_colonia, those threads sound like the typical eccentric stuff I gloss over for lack of caring - anyone who has a large amount of money (and a relatively large amount of Bitcoin) is allowed to be a bit weird. I definitely think that all is not well upstairs, in the truest sense of the words, but that doesn't make him an outrightly threatening (by virtue of the power they wield) or dangerous (by virtue of ignorance) individual.
mp_a_colonia: i don't have the "right" to free speech. i merely speak freely.
mp_a_colonia: i accept no such thing. i have my freedom, and i'll force it down the throat of anyone getting in th reway.
mp_a_colonia: neither works tho. inasmuch as you accept a right, you accept implicitly that someone was in a position to grant it.
pankkake: it isn't regulated, we can't go there!
pankkake: while our modern societies are the first in theory, we're close to the second, and that's at least how the French think :(
pankkake: I forgot what the term is, but you have two ways to define rights; positive or negative. "you may do everything except X" vs. "you may do nothing except X"
mike_c: <+mp_a_colonia> mike_c, btw is btc live yet? << getting there. data is crunching.
mp_a_colonia: "When you just put institutional investors in a pool that excludes high-frequency traders, they have a hard time trading with each other. There's not, it turns out, all that much natural liquidity." << This << red
fluffypony: mp_a_colonia: not much, I tried searching the logs for Risto's name and bitcointalk username, but didn't stumble across anything special except general lelz
mp_a_colonia: fluffypony, i dunno how much of the history you know
fluffypony: mp_a_colonia: I avoided the sauna, although the outdoors hottub was great when it got a little chilly
mp_a_colonia: fluffypony, was the sauna secure tho ?
fluffypony: I must say, Risto is really a nice guy, and the whole thing was a lot less batshit insane than expected. I think he has very little self-confidence, and makes up for it by being flashy and trying to be as ostentatious as possible, but he's a fairly clever trader and pretty harmless, all things considered.
mp_a_colonia: punkman: mike_c, is there a reason it doesn't have any sort of time weight when buying shares? << you may not remember this, but yoiu were here when wol was born. specificlaly, mike_c was derping about how you could have better weighting than the bitbet time stuff
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: http://twitter.com/fluffyponyza if you want to take a look at the handful of tweets I pushed out
mp_a_colonia: there's like an excavator and major wall bumping
mp_a_colonia: so i think they're tearing down this building as we speak.
mp_a_colonia: omfg the uppity tortilla is copying me!
fluffypony: because it was more of a gathering than anything super organised
fluffypony: but my VPS provider disk crashed and the offsite backup isn't offsite
fluffypony: actually I had the liveblog on a backup
mp_a_colonia: he promised but then scammed.
mp_a_colonia: o look fluffypony. how was the conference ?
mp_a_colonia: benkay: the girl's recently gotten rather militant about our sleep schedules - i'm interested in the topic at large. << which way ?
ThickAsThieves: they should invent a better way
mp_a_colonia: their payment prolly got held
mp_a_colonia: asciilifeform, why u n ovoice the noobs!
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Apocalyptic: maybe not for that worth of potential loss, but people do it everyday with the gribble's WoT, without insurance and screening
ThickAsThieves: "They vote left, but click right." pretty good
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell thenewdeal thanks! have fun camping!
ThickAsThieves: great, now Motley Fool is joing the NFLX parade
pankkake: they did what you did :)
ThickAsThieves: so GS comes in and calls an overbought/overpriced stock a BUY, and the whole market follows along?
ThickAsThieves: motherfuckers http://www.bidnessetc.com/22360-netflix-rallies-premarket-on-goldman-sachs-upgrade/
ThickAsThieves: but it worked, i made the price go up with my chart
mike_c: i'm sure they will eventually. possibly at govt pace though.
ThickAsThieves: it seems the USG should make it all public
mike_c: bitcoinpete: that research seems to be tough. we still don't know what anybody bid. you'd think the losers would at least say how much they bid.
mike_c: it's going to be embarrassing if reddit finds out the price before b-a.
bitcoinpete: the incentives here, in this bustling prairie town, are more muddied
bitcoinpete: but the incentives are at least transparent
bitcoinpete: pankkake: given the byzantine legal framework, finding shortcuts is likely the only thing making business there possible
pankkake: if corruption is cheap in the way that the bad laws actually don't stop business, is it better?
ThickAsThieves: Free trips paid for by private groups must still be reported separately to the House's Office of the Clerk and disclosed there. But they will now be absent from the chief document that reporters, watchdogs, and members of the public have used for decades to scrutinize lawmakers' finances.
ThickAsThieves: to the core!
cazalla: thestringpuller: i think it was lag + otp page was cached
davout: talking with PSPs directly is another option
pankkake: if you build it, they will come?
davout: it's not really the plan to go after merchants one by one
pankkake: I would have thought they would be under your radar already
davout: pankkake: you know the people?
pankkake: the newegg of France (well arguably we have two toe-to-toe, ldlc.com and materiel.net)
pankkake: then MAYBE I'll spend my bitcoins
thestringpuller: cazalla: Only if there is a ton of lag and gribble gets more auth request
jurov: and the merchant solution was announced yest
ThickAsThieves: well shit i didnt even see the new name
ThickAsThieves: newegg.com finally on the bandwagon i see
kakobrekla: >PAYPAL: You can use the donate button to raise money for a sick cat, but not poor people.
jurov: lol "questioned whether ProtonMail is legal and if we have government approval to encrypt emails"
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pankkake: extra: what is there to see?
pankkake: re. the rolex, some years ago some apparently famous French guy whose name I forgot said if by 50 you had no Rolex, your life was a failure
assbot: The Wisdom of Crowds: Chapter Three, Part V
TheNewDeal: the guess*
TheNewDeal: otherwise our guess could be off by multiple standard deviations
decimation: alright, a significant number have the skills, perhaps a majority
TheNewDeal: decimation, why would you say all humans have the skills
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell bitcoinpete I'm waiting on bitbet to resolve before sending funds. If it happens before around 8PM GMT on July 1st, I'll be able to make the payment then. Otherwise I will be camping in until Sunday, July 6 (at the latest) without an internet connection.
decimation: nearly all humans have the skills, equipment and experience to make an educated guess about such things
decimation: asciilifeform: wrt "crowdsourcing wisdom": usually I find that the proofs offered by the proponents are simple parlor tricks
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Asks are thin, I merely offer liquidity.
decimation: asciilifeform: more Carlyle: "Statistics is a science which ought to be honourable, the basis of many most important sciences; but it is not to be carried on by steam, this science, any more than others are; a wise head is requisite for carrying it on. Conclusive facts are inseparable from inconclusive except by a head that already understands and knows."
TheNewDeal: just in case price jumps up really quickly, or whats the point?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sell at $10,000/BTC for half of a Bitcoin
jonvaage: What's the phrase? Sometimes a person's sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.
asciilifeform: breeding - as in actual breeding of organisms who feel they live in vain if they aren't milked. as we did to, e.g. cows.
BingoBoingo: Chumps see no cost to their reproduction
BingoBoingo: Of course they breed chumps.
jonvaage: BingoBoingo: Exactly, they just serve as highly effective educators by reducing information asymmetry.
BingoBoingo: jonvaage: The nice thing is that over time the scammers become less relevant of necessity
asciilifeform: 'If of ten men, nine are recognizable as fools, which is a common calculation,' says our Intermittent Friend, 'how in the name of wonder will you ever get a ballotbox to grind you out a wisdom from the votes of these ten men? Never by any conceivable ballotbox, nor by all the machinery in Bromwicham or out of it, it will you attain such a result. Not by any method under Heaven, except by suppressing, and in some
TheNewDeal: at least, that's what they taught it in an engineering statistics class
BingoBoingo: Honestly I dunno of many people who improved the Bitcoin "ecosystem" moar than Pirateat40
asciilifeform: and what does one need to smoke to see the pluses of the concept of letting competitors vote on whether you can spend your coin ?
BingoBoingo: jonvaage: F.MPIF thedrinkingrecord.com
assbot: Voting Pools: How to Stop the Bitcoin Thieves
jonvaage: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2013/12/06/voting-pools-how-to-stop-the-plague-of-bitcoin-heists-thefts-hacks-scams-and-losses/
jonvaage: TheNewDeal: OT = Open Transactions
assbot: Bitcoin in the Beltway - ZHOU TONGED - YouTube
bloctoc_: yep, I'm pretty sure this is the biggest threat to bitcoin right now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZcvniWtTBI
TheNewDeal: what is the OT jonvaage?
jonvaage: I'm planning on helping overhaul the OT wiki starting later this week
assbot: The Accutron Revolution - Accuracy Through Electronics 1960-1977
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you know of any leads they would be appreciated
jonvaage: bitcoinpete helped the process along thanks to his blog.
BingoBoingo: If quarts drove 37.5k beats per minute there would be no problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your complaint is with the geating on electro-mechanical clocks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: quartz resonator in electronic clock (or for that matter every other piece of digital widgetry) is a tuning fork
jonvaage: I'm from Austin, and a few of my friends recommended this channel and so I got set up with the WoT last night.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Value of tuning fork watch is like value of a Mazda miata. Not priced ostentatiously, but there is something about the good that afficianados can appreciate.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I only appreciated the difference working at a watch stand changing batteries in other people's machines.
BingoBoingo: The quartz 1 beat per seconds and the mechanical 4-12 beats per second are an abomination to the eye.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Actual smooth movement of the second hand. The lack of such a thing is why I tend to pluck the second hand off of many watches.
BingoBoingo: Of course, but aesthetics can justify a lot of things. Atomic clocks aren't that expensive, but not wrist portable. Quartz an dmechanical movements alike have become sweat shop products. The tuning fork electromechanical stuff though has to be sought out as it lost
asciilifeform: this is where the old tech conclusively, truly, lost.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My desire for tuning for watch is timekeeping purposes and aesthetics. It is a technology that should have continued instead of fading as it did.
asciilifeform doesn't get the point
BingoBoingo: On my list of things to own eventually list is a Bulova with the "tuning fork" movement.
BingoBoingo: Honestly given enough pawn shop visits the most impressive pieces can be foun for ~$100-200 (Movados without the retarded Museum dial and others)
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asciilifeform: ;;google the last psychiatrist rolex
BingoBoingo: <ninjashogun> 6) I will buy a suit, a used Rolex submariner, and travel and meet with a respected VC I have a warm intro to. (This part is secret and a bit embarrassing, let's not pastebin it) << Why the fuck is the Rolex anything resembling necessary
asciilifeform kindly requests that muppeteer change the muppet routine a bit. this one is getting old, fast.
BingoBoingo: I have to say though I wished more makers would follow the Rolex model of using bracelet pins that are acctually screws
BingoBoingo: I can't get over the Rolex Submariner's pointy bazel
bloctoc_: the graphics setup is pretty sweet thought. I assume it's so he can build a kick ass flying horse for eulora?
bloctoc_: If I ever put together an investor deck (which I won't) I swear to assbot that I will ask for a "new suit and used rolex submariner"
RainMan28: yeah, for anyone wanting the tl;dr version, ninjashogun has been soliciting a $30,000 investment daily in bitcoin-otc for the past few days and doesn't seem to be who he says he is. Maybe just a scammer, but maybe something other than that too. Not sure.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask RainMan28!~RainMan28@unaffiliated/rainman28. Trust relationship from user benkay to user RainMan28: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=RainMan28 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=RainMan28 | Rated since: Fri Jun 6 17:17:21 2014
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Caerian!~caerian@cpe-184-56-179-89.neo.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user benkay to user caerian: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=caerian | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=caerian | Rated since: Fri Feb 1 15:14:20 2013
gribble: User 'RainMan28', with keyid F2825626E97847CF, fingerprint 30AD187AF62F6E7AA829B02AF2825626E97847CF, and bitcoin address 1MpuiLaZdk7JHtbic9C5Js95DdCBNyGcuA, registered on Sat May 31 17:50:39 2014, last authed on Sun Jun 29 03:04:52 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=RainMan28 . Currently authenticated from hostmask RainMan28!~RainMan28@unaffiliated/rainman28 .
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: The only thing that might make WoL substantially better would be Klye having ATC
asciilifeform: from the u.s. school of rectothermodynamics: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/massachusetts-high-court-orders-suspect-to-decrypt-his-computers
assbot: ClubOrlov: People on the move
cazalla: but i played soccer as a kid not to mention the fact australia only returned to the cup since 06 so the past 3 have been enjoyable
cazalla: i hate sport but the world cup is something else
benkay: although can't complain about the .02 btc per 'footie' bet bitbet's going to pull down
BingoBoingo: cgcardona: The thing about "equity" work is that even if they become big, on the route to becoming big they will prolly find ways to dillute their eariler payments of equity a la Dogecoin
xmj: cgcardona: (it went so far that France sent a plane carrier along with the accompanying ships)
xmj: cgcardona: then, in the 1960s, the reverse happened - the USD price set by the government was below what the market would've raised.
xmj: cgcardona: that was in the 1930s, maybe 1940s
cgcardona: I appreciate the feeling
xmj: cgcardona: the problem with the US government setting the gold price that at first, having gold priced way over market rates, that created a huge inflow as everyone scrambled to sell gold to the USG at inflated prices
cgcardona: benkay: thanks for the words of wisdom regarding getting clients to pay. got someone emailing me right now asking for 'equity' work and you're words were just what I needed to read.
benkay: it's a shame, as they spent 10k on just upgrading this shitstack to django 1.not-quite-current
Mats_cd03: they're going to start over alright
benkay: i'm also billing for the cliquot necessary to get me through this mess.
benkay: "hey your previous developers left a great big fuck off steaming pile of shit on the floor of your production instance. it's going to take me a while to clean it up. you'll pay."
benkay: it's far better than the corrupted vcs repositories on this staging and production server a client handed to me
benkay: i got distracted by all the tied up babes
benkay: http://ist1-2.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/5/2/0/5/52058/K/E/y/7/KEy7/bdsmHD_826_TheRed_m.jpg
assbot: Keg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mp_on_a_pony: how's life on the run?
assbot: Gold Reserve Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mats_cd03: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act i imagine hes referring to this and others like it causing price per troy to go up?
ThickAsThieves: not the USG
ThickAsThieves: even themn,
ThickAsThieves: they are providing a signal in this moment
xmj: ThickAsThieves: do you know your history, in particular what happened after the us govt set a price for gold in the 30s -- and the opposite, in the late 60s early 70s?
rithm: CC all the biddersd quick!
ThickAsThieves: maybe theyll email it out by mistake
ThickAsThieves: the auction didnt seem to promise any privacy or whatever
rithm: i mean if you won you might as well pump it to the price you paid amirite
ThickAsThieves: depends, USMS did not explicitly say they would announce winning amount publicly, but people already have FOIA requests in
rithm: i'm guessing the winner
cgcardona: who exactly will announce a price? surely not the USMS right? wouldn't it be barry and/or another bidder?
ThickAsThieves: if they announce price today, i imagine market will move toward that price pretty vigorously
rithm: set your asks for "the moon" and kick back and drink a beer?
rithm: The agency told CoinDesk that 45 registered bidders participated in the event, and that 63 bids were received over the course of the auction,
ThickAsThieves: i meant 46 in the 2ndMkt syndicate
bitcoinpete: cheapskates pullin the group down
ThickAsThieves: i expected the syndicate to lowball
cgcardona: so is the traditional wisdom that the market will swing upwards to match auction price sound advice?
cgcardona: guess there were some really high bids or he underbid (unlikely)
ThickAsThieves: they were like no way
ThickAsThieves: i was telling the traders Silbert wasnt gonna get any coins
cgcardona: chax: you'll need to get GPG/PGP keys into the WoT in order to voice yourself in the future
cgcardona: that's why we do 1/2 time here and 1/2 ttime in the bay
cgcardona: i didn't get to go into the valley this time though. too busy w/ work
cgcardona: we actually drove ot the top of the hill yesterday to overlook it https://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/483409146088140802/photo/1
mthreat: did you do the kalalau trail?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: northerner*
bitcoinpete: it's close enough for a northener
cgcardona: (if you consider santa cruz "the bay area". many don't)
cgcardona: bitcoinpete: great :) thanks for asking. Wrapping up this chapter and preparing to move back to the bay area
cgcardona: Figured this would be as good a place as any to get some insight into the unfolding of the auction
bitcoinpete: cgcardona: how's island life these days?
ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> pretty cool that the diff is 512k though. 512s everywhere /// 512 is my spirit number
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: what was todd saying about the torontonians?
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pankkake: pretty cool that the diff is 512k though. 512s everywhere
mthreat: shit, they are: http://www.americanbanker.com/issues/178_85/new-venture-aspires-to-be-the-sothebys-of-bitcoin-1058805-1.html
assbot: So basically at least USD$20MM of bitcoin buying demand went unsatisfied in the auction and will look elsewhere to buy bitcoins i.e. market
assbot: Announcement: The SecondMarket / Bitcoin Investment Trust bidding syndicate for the US Marshals bitcoin auction was outbid on all blocks
mike_c: not going to happen, but, bingo's summer heat theory may be playing out :)