mircea_popescu: pretty sure it survives intact since the old codex.
mircea_popescu: what are these people, retarded ?
mircea_popescu: "The freedom to apply for a job at your partner's workplace without worrying that others will think you only got the job because of your partner."
GunPlay: my nick comes from playing first person shooters a lot back in the day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most amputees around here any more... Tend to be amputees because of conditions manifesting in the skin.
assbot: Human Leather Exclusive Products - Exquisite Wallets, Belts, Shoes
asciilifeform: http://www.humanleather.co.uk << almost
mircea_popescu: so here's a business idea : go by hospitals with trauma centers, buy amputated parts off amputees in order to cure the skin and make real human skin items
assbot: The Male Programmer Privilege Checklist
benkay: but i guess the shit's too expensive for the students, as there's not a school-aged soul in the place during work hours
benkay: i stop in, figuring - hey, art school, coffee, wine, surely there will be some cuties around
benkay: the local art school - Pacific Northwest College of Smoking Cigarettes and Being a Hipster opened up a new dorm downtown with a neat little cafe in the bottom.
benkay: at one point, one of the side goals was to leave a hole in the internet when i got disappeared, but now i'm just working on getting out of dodge.
benkay: i don't really care to put my life online either.
mircea_popescu: lol when's the last time i said something about that.
assbot: How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you’re talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: so can keiser. you were here when the a/b trick was explained no ?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> because it makes it more difficult for the mediocres. // pardon? i thought reducing asymmetry made for more efficient markets.
mircea_popescu: because it makes it more difficult for the mediocres.
benkay: i'd rather write emails instructing clients on the correct course of action and get paid for such than...blog.
benkay: man do you just write a post and then purge it from your brain?
benkay: the teacher
mircea_popescu: but i'm 69% dagny so perhaps we got something there.
Diablo-D3: I dont hide mine either
BingoBoingo: 2 Death No 4, 37 Small, prolly really set the stage...
BingoBoingo: There's still time for life to try something bombwise in a sustained manner.
BingoBoingo doesn't know who could have seeded the death pot...
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10769.11 GH/s
benkay: well gosh am i really talking to the real mp?
mircea_popescu: you can probably not take a whole week doing it, but then again most schmucks wouldn't last a week anyway.
mircea_popescu: exactly how beaten up should a would-be robber/etc be before he's been beaten up too much is a matter the courts never quite carved out.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> only thing missing is bitbets about mpif nav << building the finances of a nation here naimean ?
mircea_popescu: it goes like this : you wanna play with the adults, you gotta wear adult breeches.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, you're running into what i'll call from now on the andreas proble,
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> access to Coinroll. Now I have harm threats and guy says he doesn't care I'm neither owner nor have access to Coinroll's wallet. I have to pay up from my personal money or I won't live... << so tell him the same lol
Namworld: mircea_popescu, if it's not too indiscrete to ask, with the fortune you've accumulated in BTC so far, haven't you received threats/extortion demands so far?
Namworld: Most news article about Bitcoin and especially "what is the future/good for BTC" is stupid, fluffypony
Namworld: One thing I know I'd have to disclose is any income/profit, obviously. The taxman will want a cut.
Namworld: Maybe one could prosecute me because it's not registered. Maybe some zealous prosecutor could try to argue I'm an owner. But it wouldn't make much sense. It wouldn't close the business nor prevent operations.
Namworld: Aka, I can't own/operate most BTC things in Canada without license. But there's never been anything preventing investment in legal foreign companies...
Namworld: It's not different. I can't operate Coinroll in Canada, hence why I refused to take it over. Scrat offered it for free to me and someone else. Me being in Canada and other in US, we refused.
Namworld: I'm surprised jurov/wao haven't received threats already. I'm sure they'll start coming in from random people soon enough.
jurov: benkay gotta put some specially crafted bet related to mpif to close the loop
Namworld: It's not gonna magically make his money appear. If he's serious he can just come to beat me and rob me, but it wouldn't be really any different than any other house robbery.
Namworld: I told him basically just that. That's his threats are pointless and not at the right target.
Namworld: @justusranvier Yes about exchange rate, apparently so. I've told the guy he didn't make sense. I'm not the one owning him and if he wanted to extort someone, there's better targets that are just as public.
davout: Namworld: meh, if the guy is that retarded how do you expect him to gather your address from your facebook
justusranvier: As the exchange rate of Bitcoin increases, so will the incentive of those who are inclined to use extortion, kidnapping, ransom, lawsuits, etc in order to obtain it.
Namworld: They all sounded alike... not sure if I should laugh, or fear a retard actually showing up... Even if he comes for me, the guy will still be a retard.
Namworld: access to Coinroll. Now I have harm threats and guy says he doesn't care I'm neither owner nor have access to Coinroll's wallet. I have to pay up from my personal money or I won't live...
Namworld: There was a guy who at first claimed his son gambled his BTC on Coinroll, it's illegal, refund it. Was very insisting. Then another claimed Scrat stole the money and laundered it on his website (no idea how he knew the address his "stolen" BTC went to was a Coinroll address). Then some guy threatening legal action to me directly, having dug up my info. I told him I don't own or have
mircea_popescu: dude these pics i made yest kick all conceivable ass
fluffypony: Facebook is the devil
Namworld: Normally I'd think the guy is a retard because I'm not the right nor wealthiest target in this... but that's what makes it worse. I imagine a retard could well decide to go gangster and show up.
nubbins`: better call the cops
Namworld: The worst way to beg for money.
assbot: the wrong way to beg for money
mike_c: i don't think he spent his last $ on the coins.
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 7554622.7432 USD and would take the last price up to 1005.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 755.4623 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.0805 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 12234.28 bitcoins, for a total of 14798736.0877 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0354 seconds
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm leaning to suspect that as well. That the reason he isn't talking price yet is he doesn't want to appear to have overpayed
jurov: then i dunno
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10005.56 GH/s
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Bugpowder: I know the tech is solid, he just quit job with market leader to found the company, and will partner back with them.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "if you're watching it, you're in the demo"
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: That's why most restaraunts hire dishwashers, so people can realize their dreams
Bugpowder: If anyone wants to put $50-250k+ into a real near field microscopy startup at the angel stage, let me know.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, like, engineers love the immiggrant Tesla's story, but he only ecked out a meagre living from some patent royalties and that's it.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, yeah, you and Benkay have the same philosophy here.
ninjashogun: I also consider hte logging here and its interpretation to be absolutely psychopathic. Like you guys have never picked up the phone and networked with anyone.
ninjashogun: Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you guys. You're free to do whatever you want. If anyone wants in on the funding that is being raised I was asked to post a prospectus, it'll be in the other channel and you can review it.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: And then there's the people who built shit *gasp* with their own sweat and money
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo, it's why I don't mind doing traditional things. All of the great companies built in America since hte Great Depressoin, including the entire Internet and softtware, etc, tech sector, was done under securities regulation.
ThickAsThieves posts a "Do Not Feed the Trolls" sign.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: The thing is to us you sound astoundingly like Usagi
ninjashogun: Jurov, I am only interested in personal financing, not in my assets per se. The use is on the two companies, one of which isn't even incorporated.
jurov: ninjashogun: he had only the purest and noblest intentions, you remind me of him
ninjashogun: by "as well - I'll speak to him" I mean that I will appreciate the intro, I'm happy to speak with him.
Bugpowder: Just watching the livestream
ninjashogun: jurov, I don't see a log for Usagi when I open the scrollback, so probably I haven't spoken with him.
ninjashogun: However at the moment both businesses are doing "well" (at the preseed stage), the second (services only) business is gearing up really well and it's time to incorporate, etc.
ninjashogun: Hi, Mats_cd03 and I have talked as well, but not on skype or anything. At the time i think I was just focusing on the newer business with you Mats, you would recall that I was talking in terms of a loan I think.
ninjashogun: The bid that I'm soliciting is for an x repayment.
ninjashogun: Ah, the list of expenses is a joke :)
ninjashogun: jurov, 0. I didn't even mention it to them.
ninjashogun: anyway that's all for me. just came here to address the PM's.
ninjashogun: I've also connected with other real-world VC's/founders from here. So it's a mixed bag.
ninjashogun: Benkay and I talked on skype extensively btw, you can ask him anything about me, he'll know the basics.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, the reason is that a mod from another bitcoin channel got (in his words) 23 PM's from people in this channel. After someone posted my offer here.
ninjashogun: by cost-control I mean someone trusted (nobody from this channel obv) can actually wire the checks, to e.g. incorporation costs, legal costs around closing the round, etc. You would have to like and be involved with real-world, VC-backed startups to be able to participate meaningfully.
ninjashogun: the funding is $30K within the week, it can be to hard trusted escrower (who does cost control). It's being spent on two startups, one of which has a client but is not yet incorporated, the other has discussed very high valuaitons with (real-world) VC's.
mircea_popescu: aegis pretty sucky to have to group all the possible variations. got aeg1s ?
ninjashogun: This channel is the most trollish I've ever seen. Anyone is welcome to participate in my funding round on -otc though, as long as they want to connect with me in real life (I don't deal with pseudonymns)
mthreat: mircea_popescu: it was crazy. I'm looking forward to more crazyness when they play belgium
aegis: Hi all... sorry for the nick changes... I was grouping nicks that some scammers were using earlier.
ninjashogun: But I have absolutely no gov't affiliation of any kind, and 15 minutes on the phone with me can tell anyone everything about me.
ninjashogun: And then when I realized that you guys have a ton of money and (I thought) in earnest working on products, offered services.
ninjashogun: i'm a startup founder, I now have 2 startups I'm doing. (That's what the small funding round is about in the other channel).
ninjashogun: I'll just state my interactoin with you guys for the record:
ninjashogun: hey, so I don't know if it's related to my offer the other day or what by an op in another channel got about 23 PM's from people in this channel.
BingoBoingo: It's like LVHM, it sell the pretense of being or being in a thing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Many merchants are shitty on Alibaba, but... A lot of people like consuming and reselling shit. << wasn't this essentially the pitch of ebay too ?
assbot: The Events of Failday pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-events-of-failday/ http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ etc
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin payments on Expedia exceeding their expectations, “I think we’ve already seen what we’ve needed to see..."
BingoBoingo: Huh, even with Death owning the board, life is still a value purchase
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why they're despised in bitcoin. well... this'd be why. stupidity does it.
ThickAsThieves: The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, a White House watchdog group that condemned the Obama administration's phone surveillance program earlier this year, has released another report ... According to the board, though, it's completely legal.
mircea_popescu: so the next fucktards aren't gonna know.
mircea_popescu: and he ain't putting the by now years old trilema article al over his shitty "service"
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record : Bitcoins Reserve / sam lee need to a) read the fucking history. this retarded shit happened once to bitpay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cannon car would be a major danger for the one bhind it << the one behind also fires. and so on, to the end of the column. don't stand there...
benkay: so obviously the correct solution was to machine and harden our own .25M bearing races to decouple torque on stability fins from airframe.
mircea_popescu: "Following the overtaking of Lees email, the attackers processed a password challenge, which then provided them with a list of all of the passwords that had been previously listed within the browser. They then retrieved Bitcoins Reserves domain register, and then proceeded to add another DNS record that gave them access through Google to the companys admin page for their apps account. "
benkay: vortex shedding was imparting a torque on the airframe, inverting control and confusing controller.
asciilifeform: why the rotating vanes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but your cannon car would be a major danger for the one bhind it
asciilifeform: consider the children's toy 'newton's cradle.'
asciilifeform: incidentally - it is, in principle, possible to build a car which could survive a crash intact. not by rigid construction (driver would get blended anyway) but via: momentum transfer. eject something out the back... a la 'recoil-less rifle.' work it out.
mthreat: it's amazing the fuel cells don't rupture in F1 cars
benkay: an acquaintance crashed a Ford "Mustang" into a tree one time. the crumple zones are so well-distributed around the car that the cupholder crushed his unopened cola can, dousing everyone in the car in a fine mist of sugar water.
asciilifeform: 'electronics' by forrest l mims contains a recipe for just such a pill. first baked in the early '50s.
mthreat: then shat it out
mthreat: mark webber had a thing about how he swallowed a pill that monitored his body temps, etc, during the race
mthreat: since that is what they want to measure
mthreat: i don't know... probably close to the driver
mthreat: asciilifeform: sounds right - racing seatbelts are designed to "rip" a bit on impact to absorb some of the force
mthreat: and the driver was ok, maybe some bruising
mthreat: last F1 accident I remember, tehy said the sensor said 26G
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah they did stop being difficult :D
asciilifeform: i suppose they get 10 - if hit a wall!
asciilifeform: (rocket-propelled, otherwise you only gotta worry about 1G)
benkay: did so by example: "now on this other actually tightly-coupled gps imu an acquaintance built, he actually used the IMU to maintain a lock on the GPS sats while under...10G acceleration".
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ok.. do you know the guy who wrote proofofexistence.com is from bsas?
benkay: had to explain to someone that their 'coupled' gps-imu thinger on a phone was not coupled in the strict sense of the thing.
asciilifeform: as exemplified by the iconic russian iPnohe.
asciilifeform: (a pnohe is not necessarily a phone. could be any gizmo with the customary 'amazing! smart!' feature set.)
asciilifeform: mthreat: you don't even need a genuine physical one, just whatever diddles the appropriate field in the pnohe
mircea_popescu: mthreat we need o get the ba registrar of deeds moving already
mircea_popescu: way to go on hitching the derpy equalitarian aggenda on sluttery.
mircea_popescu: emale sexuality in this way; even women and men who advocate liberated female sexuality, are sometimes guilty of using it against other women because the insult is so readily available and so ridiculously ingrained in us."
mircea_popescu: "For the record, I dont think that a female who has frivolous and frequent sex with different men has any cause for shame, at least not if shes doing it because she enjoys it and because its making her a happier and better citizen of the world, and if she is doing it for other less helpful reasons, then those reasons are what she should be dealing with, not the symptoms. Sadly, few people actually view f
mircea_popescu: maybe she just meant "swallowed the snake"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/femen-12.jpg << 'praise be to those who vanquished the dragon' << wtf
diatonic: neither are balls
benkay: ovaries are not where the thinking happens
benkay: No one calls a male past the age of puberty “a good boy.” // lies - i called a guy a "nice kid" just two days ago.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 11007.33 GH/s
benkay: pull more money out of the markets and dump it into your friends' idiotic startup scams.
BingoBoingo: OMG ATC diff going to the Moon!!!
mircea_popescu: for a long time they've been bitching
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: so is this a thing, you reply negatively to a tweet, then poster deleted op and retweets anew, disconnecting your comment from their feed << that sounds like exactly the sort of thing you'd see on twitter.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/mps-guide-to-boat-travel-from-upon-the-very-boat-in-question/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when they last changed a lock? 1790?
mircea_popescu: so everything here takes the same brass skeleton keys pretty much. i have a 2`800 grams pile of different keys ;/
mircea_popescu: meets the definition of tangible.
benkay: what was the rationale, mircea_popescu - that since it was a purchase with a 1-year buyback agreement you could book it as opex instead of capex?
asciilifeform: 'human dishwasher' << one item i keep expecting to see from the chicoms. looks precisely like the mechanical kind, but has a nice little fellow living inside (first eats scraps, then washes, then returns to his compartment. convenient sewer hookup for both!)
benkay: yeah, the argument was about buying vs leasing.
mircea_popescu: davout argued it to death when it was first introduced (about 1 year ago, s.mg was iirc the first to an0 report, and i wanted an example)
mircea_popescu: not that i like the electric stuff anyway
benkay: on an entirely different topic, mircea_popescu would you explain the tangibles line in the S.MG report?
mircea_popescu: (it was suspended, sorta pointing towards sink, originally. send the bish to wash dish, get scalded bish randomly)
mircea_popescu: so talking of ways one doesn't exactly expect to die : i have a gas boiler here. gas isn't really that commonly used in ba, and i guess they don't really get it. i notice that sometimes when i turn hot water on it sputters. super is like "well ya gotta let steam get out now an' again".
kakobrekla: not a tit but nevertheless
mircea_popescu: Do u have any personal imformation of BVPS owner?They are fraud.They started buy back at a very low price 2 monthes ago,and it's non negotiation.I can get less than 3 btc.I accept that.And they say they will pay before june 30th. But I havent got any payment till today.
assbot: Sotheby's London Hits High Notes with 93 Million Sale - artnet News
mircea_popescu: http://news.artnet.com/market/sothebys-london-hits-high-notes-with-lb93-million-sale-49285 << romanian painter guy from cluj sold
terp: its all ready the hippy mecca
terp: what are these crazy californians doing legalizing bitcoin and marijuana?
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
empyex: benkay: Next conference starts in 9 months and 15 days. Estimated cost today: 2.04106878 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
pankkake: 80mm's okay… I hate the smaller ones
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-lovely-bones/
asciilifeform: and sure, there's a fan
asciilifeform: pankkake: you won't find this on a 'consumer' ups because their inverters aren't rated for 24/7 run
asciilifeform: pankkake: this particular unit has a plug on the back for arbitrary number of cells
pankkake: I'd rather invest in something with a big battery; I want the thing to stay up if I'm not there
asciilifeform: and whether you really need your computer to run
asciilifeform: pankkake: the nice kind (double conv.) runs rectifier and inverter at all times, with the battery sitting in the middle
pankkake: yes, that's what the two I have seem to do. they go to battery sometimes even when there's no visible power cut
asciilifeform: pankkake: the consumer boxes are typically 'switchover' - you're connected directly to the mains, except when the reading drops below mark and the inverter kicks in.
pankkake: well, the cheap ups I got at that time was enough, though it eventually died :)
asciilifeform: pankkake: this is the pill for it. the only voltages that ever come out of a double-conversion ups is zero (dead battery) or the specified (120 here) ac, sinusoidal to 1%
asciilifeform: pankkake: i moved to a street where the entire place shares a transformer. so, abysmal mains quality.
asciilifeform: pankkake: this is one of those monsters where the inverter runs constantly. so, around 80% efficient.
pankkake: I have UPSes but only the passive ones
mike_c: <+ThickAsThieves> yep, like GS unloading all their NFLX this week << no no, there's an invisible wall between the trading desk and the rating guys. they have NO IDEA what each other are doing. really, they promise!
mircea_popescu: there's no alternative.
pankkake: https://www.contrepoints.org/2014/06/29/170453-bce-la-subvention-dont-personne-ne-parle found this very interesting, sorry for the French. it explains how the ECB lends money so they can go the "private sector" but does not check/punish if it does not happen
mircea_popescu: argentina;s in a better shape these days.
mircea_popescu: the govt's own banks are desperate for cash tho.
ThickAsThieves: like issuing BUY status and then selling
ThickAsThieves: yep, like GS unloading all their NFLX this week
mircea_popescu: if you're supposed to be rich and the plebs poor, telling them to buy etc also everyone benefits.
pankkake: if I tell women they should swallow, everyone benefits. if I tell they should buy the thing I plan to buy before them, I lose
pankkake: there is every reason to withold good trading advice and publish bad trading advice
mircea_popescu: it makes zero sense, but women like to belong, and this is driven into them deeper than reason. so... they listen.
ThickAsThieves: of course maybe thats how they want me to think
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> what are you, dumb or something ? probly, but i dont feel the sting just yet
mircea_popescu: go play the slots.
ThickAsThieves: The growth in customers accounts, for both Coinbase and competitor Blockchain, continues to grow at a pretty torrid rate. Mr. Armstrong said the company is seeing growth in its user base of about 3-4% a week, and has jumped from 100,000 accounts a year ago to about 1.4 million now.
asciilifeform grunts, adjusts track width for the 601th time.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: gpg key signing party; half the users that showed up were running windows << lol!!
mircea_popescu: tell the guy, not me.
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mircea_popescu: believe it or not you're the first to mention it.
GinAddict1: also, does anyone know fdroid and do you like it as an alternative to the play store?
GinAddict1: thanks thestringpuller