Dekker3D: Geek toys aren't the most user-friendly
Dekker3D: Welp. Someone logged in using indiancandy (mind the lack of the 1) and it isn't my friend.
Dekker3D: Well, that depends on how smart you figure them to be. There's a lot of smart and dumb folks who ended up with a lot of money.
Dekker3D: While they might think that there's at least some risk to having too much CO2 in the atmosphere
Dekker3D: I mean, I consider myself to be more of an english-speaker than a dutch-speaker, despite growing up in the netherlands
mircea_popescu: nah, people who speak english as a second language actually are in the better position i imagine.
Dekker3D: I thought you meant "people who speak english" which would include most of the better-educated people of any country.
Dekker3D: I forgot that a lot of english-speakers are in the US. Durp.
mircea_popescu: and that the us guy has a government giving him money, which won't survive.
mircea_popescu: that the poor indian has the skills to survive as a poor indian, which the us guy does not
mircea_popescu: there's little difference between a poor indian and a middle class us citizen today, except
Dekker3D: I'm not sure if I understand the link between this TL;DRish article and english speaking people. If bitcoin won't help the poor, then wouldn't it be mostly non-english-speakers who would be hit by it? I'd imagine there's more poor people that don't speak english
mircea_popescu: ill have to start learning what the titles actually are i guess.
assbot: Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: CGAP: Bitcoin Not Helping the Poor | Lets Talk Bitcoin: <http://letstalkbitcoin.com/cgap-bitcoin-not-helping-the-poor/>; Lessons From Mobile Payments: Bitcoin Will Not Help the Poor or ...: <http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-10/lessons-from-mobile-payments-bitcoin-will-not-help-the-poor-or-unbanked>; Bitcoin for the poor – a no-cash business plan for the 'next (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin not for the poor
mircea_popescu: people were similarly convicned the 2k year bug was going to destroy us all
Dekker3D: The same argument applies to bitcoin: nobody really believes it'll kill off half of humanity if left unchecked.
Dekker3D: But people actually believe the CO2 thing because it makes some sense. People aren't similarly convinced that robots will fuck up our lives.
Dekker3D: People always say things threaten to destroy us all. And yeah, it's a favoured tool of anyone trying to convince the masses.
mircea_popescu: ask hitler. half his microphone time was about how they were threatened to be all destroyed.
mircea_popescu: the wild west was selective.
mircea_popescu: chetty the idea was "everyone a car" see ?
Dekker3D: Ah. You're saying that those who aren't smart enough to be irreplacable would always find themselves left out, in a world where automation runs rampant?
mircea_popescu: there's no solution to this problem.
Dekker3D: "creating jobs" seems like the wrong goal anyway. More and more jobs are being replaced by robots. We should be focusing on a society that can handle mass automation
mircea_popescu: chetty funny how many ways there are to show broken "scientists agree" is broken.
chetty: well since women have fewer children these days the number of gays should be going down if this is true, pretty easy to check :P
mircea_popescu: here's a simple solution : in any large population of males, some will be gay because the other want something to fuck.
mircea_popescu: chetty get a load of this : female body perceives male foetus as foreign, and generates unspecified "antibodies". the more boys a woman has, the more adept she is at this
Dekker3D: Yeah, the antibody thing looked silly
chetty: left handiness can be cured, just ask the nuns with rulers
mircea_popescu: so the argument towards homosexuality not being subjective is that well, twins are both homosexual in 70% of cases (unaudited, just what it claims) which then they compare with "being left handed".
gribble: Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik>; They Took Er Jerbs DURKA DERRR south park - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ZJu-f-XOE>; they took our jobs - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI>
Dekker3D: Well, most fish wouldn't enjoy being hooked, would they? That's the main difference here, I guess
Dekker3D: But then again, we're not fish
mircea_popescu: girl came for the .1 btc nibble, got it and left.
mircea_popescu: they don't really figure out that where there's salmon roe there's probably also salmon.
hottblonde4u: I appreciate the observation... I've got nothing against Barbie, lol
Dekker3D: Interesting pink streak in your hair, though it combined with the sharply-outlined wide eyes makes you look a bit like a Barbie doll :P
mircea_popescu: * hottblonde4u has quit (Client Quit) << omg why not voice the noobs.
mircea_popescu: "My wife had a pair of loafers made. Hers were simple, although totally custom, made to order. They cost under 1000 pesos, and took about a week. Mens shoes will be more, depending on size and style and leather." beat that davout.
kakobrekla: mr s. can do these things for me
kakobrekla: is it not from the book?
gribble: Bitcoin-Central | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 6145.8198 USD and would take the last price down to 611.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 614.5820 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0310 seconds
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 10.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 3.0083 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 6262.5626 USD and would take the last price down to 626.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 626.2563 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0314 seconds
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
kakobrekla: also is there 6k depth on bc?
jurov: ^case in point (about the price)
nubbins`: they're all a bit touched
nubbins`: tbh i can't imagine a hockey fan letting anyone get in the way of a game
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: i like the guy's spirity
nubbins`: the demo...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess you're not in the demo ?
jurov: kakobrekla: i did use otc, several times.. but hunting these ppl around is inconvenient
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> women are mentally ill, and will not allow them watch it if it's bloody. <<< half the women i know are into UFC
Namworld: I use localbitcoins. Because it is correctly implemented for such transactions. You prefund your transaction such that BTC is already there. The buyer has a secret code to keep to himself. Once you have the money, you can text/release funds from web at which point you receive the buyer's secret code, which you can show him as confirmation that the funds were released.
mircea_popescu: that's the next frontier. of lulz.
assbot: Move Over Kickstarter, Crypto-Equity Is the Next Frontier
punkman: http://panampost.com/belen-marty/2014/07/04/move-over-kickstarter-swarm-crypto-equity-is-the-next-frontier/
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Namworld: Quite alike any other sort of willful body distortions.
Namworld: I think it was common in certain areas... people altering the shape of their skulls. Althoug I donn't remember much on the topic.
mod6: last specimen is interesting there
Namworld: Mostly boils down to underestimating the speed of growth by an order of magnitude I guess.
Namworld: To an extent that I made a few mistakes along the way, still turned out okay.
mircea_popescu: haha they beleeted it ?
Namworld: I knew I shouldn't have invested more than I could afford to lose. That's why I put my savings and took a small loan to buy 900 BTC for 7000 USD back then. It was all I got, but Bitcoin looked great and I didn't mind losing it all and knew I could actually afford it. Being young, it wasn't the end of the world if I lost it. Not like I couldn't earn it back quickly.
kakobrekla: you are prolly on the wrong side of tech wot.
mod6: im not running a node that's listed up there, but my local wallet is up.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i put that there for you :D
moiety: old ISP router you just went to your home ip address and everything was there to change
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i think most everyone here loves python and loathes perl << almost :P
moiety: kakobrekla: no its just plugged into the router
moiety: having trouble getting my pi up and running. i cant get into the router settings
moiety: the stuff to type is in our pm indiancandy :]
moiety: just release the nick and get it back
kakobrekla: did you check the b82rez?
Dekker3D: That prevents you from accidently telling others your password
Dekker3D: You'll probably need to include your password at the end. Be careful not to put it on here again :P
pankkake: the server thought you were still connected
thestringpuller: nanotube: is there a way to directly query for web of trust data and have it returned in some kinda serial format?
mircea_popescu: But in the argument she finally said it, how I was like a little kid and not a "real man" whatever that means,
mircea_popescu: it's more about the looks than anyyhing. rite ?
benkay: http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-military-turns-to-hollywood-to-outfit-the-soldier-of-the-future-1404527893 // for the title only
mircea_popescu: justusranvier: So Economic decisions have consequences after all? << who knew it! and the world is run by reason not by desire! and money talks and bullshit redditards suck it! And omfg what happened Obama had promised to fix all this!!1
dignork: 188.165.216.59:9336 - connection refused, so boostrap might be fine, but the node is down
punkman: I thought it was the chinese whales' fault
mircea_popescu: funny how all the derps that derp about how mp is so and so and back and forth don't go "yep... he killed it. sorry for your loss."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The Globalization Paradox: Why Global Markets, States, and ...: <http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Globalization-Paradox-Markets-Democracy/dp/019965252X>; Negotiating the energy policy 'trilemma' - Realising transition pathways: <http://www.realisingtransitionpathways.org.uk/realisingtransitionpathways/publications/Panel-1-Bolton-Foxon_Negotiating-the-energy-policyxtrilemma.pdf>; (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah usagi was never this good.
thestringpuller: ninjashogun is the new usagi?
benkay: <artifexd> With kakobrekla in the python camp, that's probably an automatic win. // hah oh hah
Dekker3D: mircea_popescu, chetty told me about Eulora and I'm in that channel now, with a few questions they say you could answer.
Dekker3D: What's that code? Private key or something? That'd explain the "now you've done it"
mircea_popescu: Dekker3D i kinda enjoy the interaction between the hilariously pompous asses over at sa and unsuccessful real world efforts.
asciilifeform: likewise the importance of 'k' value in ecdsa
asciilifeform: people gotta understand the importance of rng on a gizmo that doesn't import - only generates own - keys.
FabianB: asciilifeform: thanks, read only one of them so far
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ninjashogun:lol yeah, luckily they're nice people and changed it for me rather than troll. can't imagine what would have happened in tihs channel. // are you fucking kidding me
asciilifeform: FabianB: 'mycelium' << search the logs.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> that is an impressive display of humility for these parts. << ikr?
Dekker3D: I just haven't ever had a C++ project where my main goal was to get rid of the bugs rather than add some new feature or even get it running in the first place
benkay: other people in your boat...start exchanges.
benkay: that is an impressive display of humility for these parts.
mircea_popescu: grep for "the first" Dekker3D
mircea_popescu: Dekker3D you know there's a a job waiting for c++ / windoze ppl ?
mircea_popescu: so what of it, it's basically the same.
mircea_popescu: o the mouse bios ?
mircea_popescu: what the shit ?
punkman: but there's no one true hammer
mircea_popescu: no because you only use the graph.
Dekker3D: And I stopped bothering. Now I found some possible hint on how to get it to work, but can hardly be arsed.
mircea_popescu: and then graph it
artifexd: With kakobrekla in the python camp, that's probably an automatic win.
mircea_popescu: just you know, put up a page, with 20 questions or so. have people verify a string in here to allow their results.
Dekker3D: chetty, I used to be Windows/Linux, but then EUFI happened and my old mobo got fried. Haven't been able to reinstall Linux since.
artifexd: I'm in the "Down with Python" camp. C/C++/C#/go are my tools of choice depending on the task at hand.
mircea_popescu: and that means copying all the idiocy.
Dekker3D: It's interpreted and weakly typed, afaik. You can even add stuff to classes on the fly. That allows a lack of structure
Dekker3D: you can't visually tell the difference between spaces and tabs, in sufficient amounts, and it complains if you use tabs in a piece of code that uses spaces elsewhere. For obvious reasons, but some people use tabs and some use spaces.
mircea_popescu: i think most everyone here loves python and loathes perl
Dekker3D: It lacks curly braces and instead uses indentation. That's the main thing I hate.
Dekker3D: I've been doing a tiny bit of Python lately, though I absolutely loathe everything about it.
chetty: sooo back to the question, do you code? what language and all that Dekker3D
mircea_popescu: basically, the boxen that are people... not many know what's inside, and especially not the people in question.
chetty: you are here, you are in the wot, pretty good start ;)
mircea_popescu: so. there's this girl. she's about 12. you with me ?
mircea_popescu: like they're lubricated or something.
Dekker3D: I honestly have no idea what the "bill of goods" means in this context
mircea_popescu: "i still don;t know what the idea is!"
mircea_popescu: im not saying either.
Dekker3D: Heh. Okay. I still can't quite tell whether you're saying "aw, poor kid, he got handed a bad hand" or "damn kid, go make yourself useful". Knowing your type a tiny bit, I'm guessing the latter.
mircea_popescu: yes. but also metaphorically, "the content of this box"
Dekker3D: Anyway, I was the only one who made a remake project that got further than "gathering ideas and musing idly"
mircea_popescu: i'm part owner in s.mg which is a game maker which is why i know more than the average chap about indie games.
mircea_popescu: no idea bout the community
Dekker3D: There had been 6 attempts at making an unofficial remake already.
Dekker3D: Well, there was an MMORPG that I liked. Extremely casual, simple looking and the game itself was pretty stupid, but the community was pretty awesome.
Dekker3D: Anyway, he got the impression that I'm pretty damn good at what I do
Dekker3D: Eh. Bruno something, went by "BMG" on the forum I was messing around on.
mircea_popescu: there's this "look what you can learn about yourself on the internet" thing that happens to people. albeit rarely this clearly isolated as we have it here.
mircea_popescu: the man says.
mircea_popescu: ll out a knife, place it calmly on the table, and say, "listen lung transplant, I'm not on SSI, I'm on SSDI. I worked.""
mircea_popescu: "The Post is making a bet that you won't know the difference between SSDI and SSI, and you wouldn't, no one does, it's deliberately obfuscated and frequently conflated. They are totally different in terms of origin, budget and consequence, but both rely on "disability." The only person who does know the difference is a guy actually on SSDI, so that when you ask him, "how long have you been on SSI?" he will freeze, pu
Dekker3D: mircea_popescu, I've read almost all of it by now. The main distinction here is that SSI is assumed to be poor people who receive money because otherwise they'd riot, and SSDI is assumed to be people who have worked and who simply can't anymore.
cazalla: Dekker3D: you'll pick up the lingo as you go along, worthwhile sticking it out
mircea_popescu: the problem with this perspective is that on the strength of such apparence, you'd think squeezing a watermelon through your thighs will kill you
Dekker3D: So forgive me if I see the handicap allowance thing as something good.
Dekker3D: It's a short and useless read, telling me the doc's not found.
Dekker3D: I get 70% of minimum wage. If I take up a job, it fills in the reminaining 30% until I get more than 100% minimum wage, at which point the ... allowance thing drops away
Dekker3D: A psychologist and a neurologist agreed that I won't be able to find a job because of that psychological thing. So, they declared me "unfit for work".
punkman: wait, legally considered psychologically handicapped? is that a thing over there?
mircea_popescu: dub: well the first meeting is on necker island see, and he's travelling by kite surfing on the back of a naked chick on branson's back <<< lol ok!
Dekker3D: So I build a 3d printer, play the guitar, program stuff, and teach people crap
Dekker3D: "white knighting". Ow, right in the ego. But, I'm legally considered to be handicapped so I don't really have a job.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MP | MP. Military Police. Used in military complexes or installations founded by the army. Often seen standing at doors that require personal identification / guarding.
mircea_popescu: and finally c) there's ud right in here.
gribble: Toastmasters Speech 6: Vocal Variety - Six Minutes: <http://sixminutes.dlugan.com/toastmasters-speech-6-vocal-variety/>; Breathing: The Seductive Key to Unlocking Your Vocal Variety: <http://sixminutes.dlugan.com/vocal-variety-speech-breathing/>; Audiology, Speech & Learning Care | Children's Hospital Colorado: <http://www.childrenscolorado.org/departments/audiology-speech- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: a) i only learned it like yest, and it's emphatically not part of the lingo here.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: for some time he has said we're all trolls yet here he is again pitching us, makes me think he's a scammer afterall << prolly just the weird sort that tries to do it on his own terms but isn't either bright or great enough to manage it. so he ends this sort of ... i suppose the word is incel.
punkman: mircea_popescu: well, masks are cheap aren't they
mircea_popescu: punkman the chick's actually reasonably hot but she figures she got bollywood prospects so doesn't really wanna.
mircea_popescu: prolly get 1 trilion dolars from all the online geeks in a similar position
mircea_popescu: should be a crowdsourced project this. "i need crowdmoneyz to make a 380 km extendopenis to fuck this chick i met online that can't really be bothered to walk over, but i like tothink of as a prospect"
mircea_popescu: you can even voice the indian chick now.
mircea_popescu: now you do about 2/3 of all the people who are into crypto that much.
Dekker3D: Well, I wanted to learn a bit about the "web of trust" idea anyway, but never really knew anyone who was into crypto that much
Dekker3D: Suddenly, authentication :D
Dekker3D: gribbling for the wot. That sounds.. lovely.
Dekker3D: mircea_popescu, the difference is negligible because she's doing sexy stuff on the internet and I'm helping her do so. That could make me her pimp or her tech guy.
mircea_popescu: lol sokay, what's the big deal ?
moiety: ohgod, i was scared to read the logs back this morning! was dying at first, but i'm ok now. sorry for being here
mircea_popescu: how's the hangover ?
moiety: we've been in PM getting her reg'd with nickserv, half way through gribbling for the wot
mircea_popescu: cazalla: are you her pimp or something? Dekker3D: I'm her tech dude << the difference is negligible ? :D
mircea_popescu: but it would work a lot better if either or both had a wot acct.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun: it's kind of weird how you guys have all the money, and they're the ones who are serious. <<< lmao. yeah, TOTALLY weird.
mircea_popescu: either of you here ?
mircea_popescu: moiety o so basically they're offering im chats ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: not that anyone will buy with ltc, just the silver color is cool.
pankkake: but yeah if it helped break the "bitcoin and litecoin accepted" hope, great
pankkake: doesn't really change in the end, inflation is lower in % each year
chetty: cazalla, worse is when you wish it would get worse (so break already) and it just keeps the slow grind
moiety: it's better his fiancee left him now before the wedding. i don't think she understands the whole "for better or worse" bit
punkman: cazalla, wow there's a whole reddit for depressed dogetards http://www.reddit.com/r/depreshibe
punkman: " I should have read more about the technical aspects of Doge before I invested but like a lot of people here I had so much faith that the community could conquer these things. But it seems that community means nothing when it comes to the success of Doge, the price is being driven and manipulated by the big money, the chinese whales and big money speculators"
dub: well the first meeting is on necker island see, and he's travelling by kite surfing on the back of a naked chick on branson's back
moiety: unsure but he has an incredible skill for answering thingswith such long convoluted answers, you dont care by the end
chetty: the other interesting question is if he knows so many VC and all that whats he need investors here for?
chetty: the logic of wanting investor refs and not offering yours escapes me completely
cazalla: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 wouldn't call me on the phone
moiety: the world must be trolling him if no one wants his proposals. i think he'll be back.
artifexd: There is this tv show called "Storage Wars" where they auction off the contents of storage units whose bills haven't been paid. I wonder if a cloud storage provider could get away with something similar. "Don't pay your bill? We auction off your data."
ninjashogun: moiety - it's been a 100% explicit proof of what I've been saying for the past few months whenever I've been here. Tihs channel is useless trolls. Cazalla "gave me his number" to call and discuss further (normally, quite a normal first step!!!) Except he gave Australian's police number. Useless trolling.
ninjashogun: Anyway, it sounds like nobody here has actually helped start startup-type businesses (off bitcoin), so I'm not going to waste more of my time. If someone is interested in learning more about either of the businesses I'm currently raising funds ahead of the seed round of, then you can PM me and I can give you all the details.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ninjashogun: "The best VC in the world, Sequoia Capital, whose companies account for an astounding 10% of NASDAQs market cap, has (according to trustworthy sources) only backed out on one term sheet in the last 10 years."