madeline: well, it's more than one question actually... how did you all find each other? do you any of you each other in real life? what is the purpose of this particular chat group? how many people are pantsless, but still wearing socks right now?
madeline: can i ask a question, or do I have to leave now that i've given up the goods?
moiety: i didn't know anyone on the flight and i kinda do
cazalla: looks like i put mario kart down at the right time
fluffypony: you upload it and post the link here
madeline: is there a countdown... a parade...
fluffypony: moiety: I haven't used the key ring, but flash drive is awesome - thank you :)
moiety: lovely! I got some plants because they were half dying and they've perked up :D how's the flash drive? do you use the keyring?
fluffypony: how is the sex weeks flat?
mircea_popescu: and everyone will have forgotten the pee tests
mircea_popescu: anyway, worst part of remote camping with a dozen other people
BigBitz: So the way I read that is you were running around with your dong out and other guys had their dongs out.
punkman1: they had unpacked two boatfuls of crap already, too much work
mircea_popescu: sooo... "hpow about you park your kids somewhere els then" ?
punkman1: story time: I was at this remote beach camping with a dozen other people. Family shows up one morning via boat and sets up tents nearby. After a few hours Old Man approaches us and is like "hey guys can you put away all the dongs, we got kids here" while not being able to take his eyes off all the perky titties splashing in the water.
punkman1: everyone gets a minute of fame on the internets
madeline: tits are coming... I've been busy answering questions about my LIFE to internet strangers because i missed the school house rock episode about not doing that.
BigBitz: So... Tits then?
punkman1: maybe I should recruit next time I'm at the nude beach
punkman1: coupla girls saw me reading the pay-for-your-tits post, first question "do I have to show my face or just tits?"
mircea_popescu: what do you do other than strippin' ?
pankkake: (and don't do that for a living either)
mircea_popescu: punkman1 working to improve the qualityt of camwhork
pankkake: Madeline: related to your previous questions about gribble, registering and completing the task will likely get you a trust rating
mrX_: I suppose. I'll give government credit if they do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they deny it as privileged financial information.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz nothin' wrong with a bit o' fresh tit is there.
mircea_popescu: Madeline aite, put 6bb91297 on your tits and shoot it then. here's your model : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744684 and mind that if you don't match her you're not getting paid.
Madeline: Well, I just started getting naked on the internet in the last 48 hours, sooooo... not yet! BUUUUT... I'm ready to break out the DSLR and bestow upon you the gifts of my HD nakedness.
pankkake: but that's what the FOIA requests are for right?
pankkake: I wasn't aware of any promise to make the price public
pankkake: what, you think there's an organized conspiracy or something?
fluffypony: by the winner
mircea_popescu: cowering behind desks, can't even say what the grandiose auction closed for.
mircea_popescu: and to think tho, this was going to be such a sweet psych op. they had it all planned and shit. and nao...
pankkake: what are the typical delays for this?
fluffypony: pankkake: as far as I'm aware there have been a bunch of FOIA requests submitted, so it will be made public
pankkake: they consider it won't ever be?
fluffypony: the price hasn't been released
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/#c3498 lol I love the anonymous comments of BitBet
mircea_popescu: Madeline then folow pankkake's link
mircea_popescu: mrX_ waiting for teh usms to come up with the winning bid.
mrX_: I wonder if BitBet has anything to say about how they are refusing to resolve this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
mircea_popescu: jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing? << slowly.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation you'll have to bear in mind knuth was interested in randomness from the perspective of scientific simulation, not from the perspective of cryptography (a topic he never reasearched or to any degree understood)
mircea_popescu: by the time you've got a few tbs of rainbow tables you generally also have a good enough understanding of why exactly whitening doesn't do much.
dignork: So them loosing btc, makes killswitch impossible?
dignork: tbh, i don't think that short price drop would kill the system, but I still don't see how today is different from 2012
BingoBoingo: And who other than a govenment would survive doing such a sell on stamp to colelct their fiat after the Bitstamp anal probe?
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10818261.1549 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 108.1826 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 39.6821 seconds
dignork: 2 years ago, gox is dead, large holders still exist, potential of dropping price to near zero is still there
dignork: at the time of writing balance was different?
BingoBoingo: dub: Aethetics is a large matter
BingoBoingo: Trying to jsut artificially up the price is an LVHM sort of scam
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the natural end to this debate would be similar to Mircea's debate about wines
BingoBoingo: bayareacoins: That's part of the problem with the price point. I've drank small batch hillbilly made and aged moonshine. Scarcity for its own sake does not guarentee a premium product
bayareacoins: BingoBoingo good sir, you have a wonderful night. I'm off to holler at this chick and then pass out.
bayareacoins: I'm from the Ozarks and have never seen that :D
BingoBoingo: And if I am in a Whiskey mood how does $2000 for moonshine beat General Grant's favorite old corw at the low end or moiety's people at the high end?
BingoBoingo: I actually prefer the standards. Distilled liqour is an area where the scaling up tends to produce more consistent quality.
bayareacoins: If you have to ask then you probably don't need to know :D Just know if you ever do want a bottle of Pappy hit me up :)
bayareacoins: Small batch bourbon. Best bourbon in the universe good sir.
bayareacoins: How is your day going? Anything fun and exciting or just another day in the neighborhood?
BingoBoingo: So... mircea_popescu offers camgirls 0.1 BTC for tits, I offer lawsky 0.01 for sharpie in the pooper
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/07/17/beware-the-source-or-the-festering-of-innovation-maybe-even-of-song-of-natures-wrath-but-who-really-knows-so-stfu/
BingoBoingo: Seems to be going from MP's reports... Just the pain of rebuilding and robusting at the same time is a further necessary pain
jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing?
BingoBoingo: I thought <-8 was the gayest number
dub: and 7 is the gayest number
BingoBoingo has mixed feelings. would like to see if pcp give asciilifeform further practical paranoia or takes him over the edge
asciilifeform: decimation: knuth was, in fact, wrong. there are inadequacies in a pseudorandom sequence of whatever variety that do not concern cryptography at all. see, for example, this - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To tell you the truth what I really want to do is synthetic corundrum in my back yard
asciilifeform: decimation: to make this clearer: the digits of 'pi' pass every test of 'entropic quality' you can think of. except, naturally, the fact of them being the digits of 'pi.'
asciilifeform: decimation: the suitability of a number sequence for use as 'cryptographic entropy' is not a mathematical property of the sequence. it is a property of the aggregate of the sequence and the world in which it lives - i.e. whether the sequence is, or can easily become, known to the enemy.
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: The song of wrath: A cool perk of Catholicism, or so cool it is the only necessary part?
BingoBoingo: Catholicism does a lot of shit wrong like Brock style kiddie diddling, but they do some stuff right like giving the memorial service for the dead a song of wrath
BingoBoingo: dub: I'll still be a ghost and I'll haunt the shit out of you if you keep up this attitude
benkay: hm this nydfs paper looks like a suicide note from the usg
BingoBoingo: Also you can make the song of wrath in the requiem pretty badass with some power cords, diminished 5th's and ending the whole thing on a suspended seventh...
BingoBoingo: dub: I have vices, my last minutes aren't going to be pretty. I want the mourners at my memorial to feel that.
BingoBoingo: /me wonders who hasn't written their own requiem
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user diana_coman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=diana_coman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=diana_coman | Rated since: Tue Mar 26 18:56:33 2013
Duffer1: most of the new parts are here today, case tomorrow
decimation: laster: "Sequences generated in a deterministic way such as this are often called pseudoranom or quasirandom sequences in the highbrow technical literature, but in most places of this book we shall simply call them random sequences, with the understanding that they only appear to be random. Being "apparently random" is perhaps all that can be said about any random sequence anyway."
decimation: physical significance; hence the nonrandom character is not really undesirable"
decimation: asciilifeform: to quote Knuth on the subject: "There is a fairly obvious objection to this technique [using arithmetic operations to acquire random numbers]: How can a sequence generated in such a way be random, since each number is completely determined by its predecessor? The answer is that the sequence isn't random, but it appears to be. In typical applications the actual relationship between one number and its successor has no
BingoBoingo: Not sure exactly because of cultural norms about breeding age vs. actualuality of the thing
BingoBoingo: Well, more 'Murican Netanyahu since the Cherokee were tan, but...
BingoBoingo: So considering the partial UCL tear "No" on either of these bets is very probably free money up to the house edge collision http://bitbet.us/bet/883/masahiro-tanaka-will-win-al-cy-young-award/ http://bitbet.us/bet/739/masahiro-tanaka-wins-more-than-15-games/
asciilifeform: (frame the hash operation as a logical 'sat' system, work backwards to exclude regions of possible input state space based on known output bits)
asciilifeform: as to how an enemy might proceed to put this hypothesis to actual use, see example of 'satcoin'.
asciilifeform: don't accept the above as 'gospel', study the design of a popular traditional hash and see exactly what i'm getting at
asciilifeform: but there is a nonzero amount of information conveyed.
asciilifeform: the enemy now knows something about bit N by knowing bit N-k.
asciilifeform: likewise, given that (by design!) a 'cryptographic' hash will be computed in such a way that every bit of the input affects every bit out the output,
asciilifeform: thus, the set of possible outputs has a 'hole'
asciilifeform: even assuming equal sized input and output - consider the set of all possible outputs of, e.g. sha2.
asciilifeform: rng designers very often succumb to the temptation to 'inflate' their output using a hash
BingoBoingo: The professor/underDean teaching also had a ~10 year CV black hole...
BingoBoingo was roughly beginning the process of rotting his brain with booze at this point
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Roughly spring 2005 that was in a discrete mathematics class I took. Don't remember if in the since resold textbook or not.
asciilifeform: don't look for it in the textbooks
asciilifeform: dignork: two separate issues. one - by papering over the problem. two - hashing introduces a correlation between bits, that may be useful to enemy who devoted serious effort to studying the hash in question.
BingoBoingo: dignork: The way hashes break is "collisions"
dignork: asciilifeform: I get it, but if the data is really random with "small" bias, how hashing makes it worse?
asciilifeform: just as, e.g. the digits of 'pi' will.
asciilifeform: without being the least bit useful cryptographically
asciilifeform: the sequence will pass 'diehard' and whatever tests of 'entropic' you like
dignork: BingoBoingo: I'm assuming usage of cheap off-the-shelf dice
BingoBoingo: dignork: Turn the six sides into two outcomes 0 and 1, but first make sure the dice balance at the eight corners
asciilifeform: dignork: hash is a good way to close your own eyes on problems with the rng
dignork: asciilifeform: so compensating bias by hashing a bit more of the dice raw data is a bad idea I guess
asciilifeform: gives unbiased output at the potential cost of never terminating (in that case you know for a fact that your entropy source is defective)
asciilifeform: dignork: the correct answer is von neumann's 'fair coin' algorithm.
dignork: assume the following scenario, I'm generating random data by throwing dices, but I expect some bias: dices are non-ideal
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The thing to do is get drunk and bank adventures for the next day while actually getting drunk so you pass out
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Most of my playing occured in the spectral pickle factory drought
moiety: see google added btc currency converting to the search box
BingoBoingo: Also to try these new seasonal ascensions I missed
BingoBoingo: May short term goal now that I remembered it is a thing is to get spectral pickles to be my favorite food again now that the price has come down 10 fold from the last time I saw them.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It was one of their christmas events
BingoBoingo: It just seems... to have accelerated a lot since the last time I was on (roughly the Crimborg outbreak)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: My how the kingdom of loathing has changed since I last visited.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: These beans is shit.
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball are the little boys enjoying it ?
fluffypony: ;;8ball is everyone on the Bitcoin foundation seriously into little boys?
gribble: The outlook is poor.
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball was that lawsky fellow one of the hookers ?
fluffypony: gribble is the font of all knowledge
fluffypony: ;;8ball can Air Malaysia go another 6 months without an incident?
BingoBoingo: Gribble why can't Malasia airlines stay in the air?
mircea_popescu: "I've noticed the same weird principle on soc.singles: the more a man needs a virtual woman, the more threatened he is by the very concept. Why is that? [Rhetorical.]" << for the exact same reason poor people understand better than rich people that they can't afford substitutes.
kakobrekla: but the flight is in sex weeks.
BayAreaCoins: I dunno she had nice tits in her dancing vid, but not over .1btc nice tits imo. O well shrug off that fail and keep on keeping on. More tits in the world :)
BingoBoingo: BayAreaCoins: Now you know the hazards of going down on yourself
BigBitz: Bot knows mircea_popescu is the MASTAH.
mircea_popescu: the !down peach is about 50 lines up.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker what is wrong with assbot now.
mircea_popescu: why do people think there's something to negotiate is entirely beyond me.
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
BayAreaCoins: Peach ok so the deal was last time i was in here. For .1 you get a string of letters n numbers. Send a pic of boobs with that and the letters/number = free .1btc.
Peach: what are they asking for?
dub: extra murican there
dub: BingoBoingo: but.. if you do nothign wrong theres nothign to hide!!1
BingoBoingo: So... NSA has all the n00ds
assbot: Edward Snowden: 'If I end up in chains in Guantnamo I can live with that' - video interview | World news | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: mthreat omfg the entire building smells of pizza. MY pizza. brb.
mircea_popescu: extra points when the message doesn't even make sense in a way readily apparent to the intended demo.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe what's at work here is, that "there's no such thing as deliberate character assasination when the people trying to do it are a relatively irrelevant, powerless and uninfluential minority".
mircea_popescu: mike_c: this feels the same as "bitbet is a scam" flamewars: "[FCC levies huge fine on Stern] << it does huh.
gribble: Phossy jaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phossy_jaw>; Uncovering the cause of "phossy jaw" Circa 1858 to 1906: oral and ...: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18940506>; 10 Deadliest Occupational Diseases in History: <http://www.humanresourcesmba.net/10-deadliest-occupational-diseases-in-history/>
mircea_popescu: the only reason that is notable is because the radium jaw is really just phosphorus jaw.
asciilifeform: interestingly, british gov. still forbids any serious exploration of the lusitania wreck.
jurov: they had no clue that radium is poisonous, how can you compare that with sending pilot into war zone which everyone is avoiding?
assbot: Undark and the Radium Girls Damn Interesting
mircea_popescu: http://www.damninteresting.com/undark-and-the-radium-girls/ << english summary.
jurov: tell me any other example where *civilians* were used in sucha way
mircea_popescu: look into the story of "undark"
mircea_popescu: this is why there has to be a fucking board of employment in th first place, otherwise people would happily STILL be sucking down phosphorus
asciilifeform: for one thing, we have no idea who piloted. another - pilots can also have problems.
jurov: if that was military plane, okay, happens all the time
mircea_popescu: (we're giving the people over at X your radio id, and they'll shoot you down. omitting to mention this part.)
jurov: how does the pilot not know?
asciilifeform: jurov: what's there to see << passenger plane deliberately flown over SAM fire zone. shot. 'oh noez eeevil rebels!'
mircea_popescu: the pilot doesn't have to know.
jurov: so he bribes the pilot instead?
mircea_popescu: suppose this manger now goes to work for me, and i'm "whatever, fuck them all in chains for all i care."
mircea_popescu: ok, let me put this to you. average us middle manager can't fuck his employees, because he's affraid of scandal. of the employees, at least a few would be open to being fucked
jurov: what's there to see?
asciilifeform: jurov: probably not the main purpose. see 'uss maddox' and 'uss maine'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing we can infer is that the whole org is made out of people motivated through income, which means it's not really a threat to anyone (other than perhaps its employer)
mircea_popescu: "in the interest of santa clause we can't say" "sorry, not interesed."
asciilifeform: then we can infer that: either org is 'safe' (gelded) or the folks in command knew for a fact where the plane would end.
mircea_popescu: at some point cca 2012 any consultant with anything inside the skull started answering the "o hey, we want to promote you" with "o yeah ? who else is going ?"
mircea_popescu: win-win, as they say.
mircea_popescu: any "consultants" organisation of a decent size can fill an airplane with people who are costing it more than they're worth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how are they gonna do that ?
asciilifeform: the interesting part is that we can infer that the organization fielding the 'consultants' (now cremated) is considered 'safe'
assbot: Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne’s Warning: America Approaching the Place ‘Where Republics Go to Die’ | Video | TheBlaze.com
chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/17/overstock-ceo-patrick-byrnes-warning-america-approaching-the-place-where-republics-go-to-die/
mircea_popescu: i guess england is the only major player to not have tried yet huh.
asciilifeform: except this... is. the anglo strategy.
mircea_popescu: the only difference here is that germany didn't have a bound border. russia does.
asciilifeform: but no. load them into a passenger tub, so it can be shot.
mircea_popescu: "o the evil german submarines sunk a passenger ship kiling everyone on board
mircea_popescu: so now as the public retirement schemes are collapsing...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sometime in 2005 they made the mistake to promise senior pilots payment "in kind"
asciilifeform: the 777 was almost certainly carrying u.s. 'consultants.'
mircea_popescu: http://www.buzzfeed.com/emofly/slicing-crosswise-vs-lengthwise-explained-in-pict << methinks buzzfeed is missing the point.
BingoBoingo: I think Malaysia is just disappearing and selling these planes for BTC...
lobbes: lol, and I thought I had thoroughly searched the logs
mircea_popescu: well which the fuck is it ?
mircea_popescu: he past headgames people had to play to cope with the problem. And nobody misses the supposed "benefits" of the problem they once dreamed up excuses for."
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is rich, because succession : "Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills." "People often cope with an unsolvable problem by convincing themselves that somehow there is some purpose or need for the problem. Like it builds character or something. But when technology eliminates a problem, people soon forget about all t
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> under it some metal blades turn in step with the engine closing contacts to fire the spark plugs. << Distributor cap
mircea_popescu: who the fuck picks up chicks in weirdo usxtian church
punkman1: I liked this soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJXfkOlCLw so then I binge-watched the series, not bad
asciilifeform: chetty: this, afaik, is the 'official' position of the various u.s. protestant churches.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moscny lived in usa. 'flood' is to be understood here to be the 'fundamentalist' one, complete with mandatory drowning dinosaurs.
mircea_popescu: "Of course I hesitate to argue as I am doing here for fear of encouraging xtians to have even more children and raising them to believe in Noah's Flood." << ironically, that's in all likelihood an actual event.
punkman1: guess it wasn't as great as they imagined
mircea_popescu: under it some metal blades turn in step with the engine closing contacts to fire the spark plugs.
mircea_popescu: punkman1 look at that, " You'll feel the wetness during penetration and orgasm, thanks to a lube reservoir that knows when and how much to release." they made bubblejet printing do something useful ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, sitting there whining about the delco cap is so unlike the blues they made a new word for it. it's emo.
mircea_popescu: one gets the blues because he worked ten years to make enough money to marry this girl that he really really loves, and she loves him, and now they're married and YET.
mircea_popescu: the blues is the common man's understanding of the doomed human condition, has nothing to do with fucking failure.
mircea_popescu: A whole musical genre---the blues---showcases life failure. "Singing the blues" is figuratively what sexually worthless nerds do on Usenet, except it doesn't fly with women as unembellished prose. << o that's fucking bullshit.