asciilifeform: dub: every carrier i know of save the ones described above deduct $positive_integer per $time_period
asciilifeform: my new hypothesis is that all cellular carriers that market to 'almost never uses account' folks make their dough on spam.
kakobrekla: ascii your service provder is selling out to spammers ? tried switching to another ?
asciilifeform: which is annoying in the extreme.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: less than 1/10 the price of the cheapest 'actual' service. but, given that spammers exist, the cost is non-deterministic
BingoBoingo: They do indeed charge both ways, but it is still at least half the price of actual service.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but where do you flee? they're all identical.
BingoBoingo: At least with the prepaid model if the carrier pisses you of, the shredder is a viable solution to device difficulties
asciilifeform: (how? captive audience. who wants to pay a fat monthly fee for a remote sensor? so you're stuck with these.)
asciilifeform: or - their actual business model.
asciilifeform: the device receives sms spam.
asciilifeform: i have one such. and now i know how the vendor scams
asciilifeform: one can buy 'sim cards' intended for industrial applications - alarms, sensors, etc. where you feed it once a quarter, and the balance is spent when making/receiving calls or sms
Rassah: I think "our monkey brains" are largely influenced by societal norms, and bitcoin will "hack" some of those norms just as other technologies and science discoveries have...
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: It looks like you've worked quite a bit on Electrum. Familiar at all with documentation for the server component?
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Pierre_Rochard: shesek: a good introduction is here http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/
BingoBoingo: shesek: Well, this channel is kind of like the pipefitter's lounge, but for serious bitcoiners instead of pipefitters.
dub: it would be a problem if I used the automation bits but its not annoying enough to start pulling it apart
dub: theres an appendage on the front of it that runs through middle of the screw which you pull out and wiggle to get it going again
dub: yeah, dust caked around the sensor oslt
mircea_popescu: prolly needs a tune-upo, the screw
mircea_popescu: dub how large are the pellets ?
dub: smart way to isolate fuel store from the hot bit
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BingoBoingo: County fair week has to be the worst week, why does a sled need 8 gallons of engine displacement to pull another sled full of weights?
asciilifeform: yes. and the cavity it turns in can have no more than a very small gap between the auger and walls.
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asciilifeform: state of the art, it turns out, is 'auger valve' - think: small archimedes screw.
decimation: yeah you almost want to push it out with water or something, except that would dilute the flux
decimation: too much variance in the dispensed amount?
asciilifeform: they're crap, fundamentally
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mircea_popescu: "If this ASIC mambo jumbo goes forward then I think BTC is as "good" as PayPal or the Bank of England." (forum communitard, 2012).
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asciilifeform: even refrigerated, the balls settle.
decimation: lithium & warfarin are famous for narrow theraputic index
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, calling these things competing in the tractor pull "tractors" is an insult to the idea of useful machinery.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Therapeutic envelope is indeed very narrow. 0.4 to 1.2, toxic depending on the patient starts at 0.8 to 1.4
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lithium pharma << as i recall, the therapeutic envelope is so narrow as to be practically absent - e.g. slow poison
mircea_popescu: they do wonderful things with plastics now
BingoBoingo: I wonder if ethereum ethers will suffer from the problem classical ether does where explosive peroxide crystals form.
mircea_popescu: i happen to be party to the first and oldest actually executed short, incidentally. you ever saw it ?
justusranvier: "Vintage Ether units. Mint condition - never used."
mircea_popescu: the aliens might land five minutes later and declare that anyone can have super hot alien blowjobs for a eth each
justusranvier: They might have value as collector's items 30 years from now.
mircea_popescu: if you buy a future and the thing fails there's many ways to put it, but they all boil down to "you're screwed".
mircea_popescu: in any case, one generally buys a future if they expect the thing to work well, not to fail.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier amusingly, in that case the contract'd be void.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: What happens if by next March 15th, the Ethereum network isn't sufficiently functional for you to be able to deliver Ethers to the people who take you up on your offer?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` too lazy to list the us problemz.
mircea_popescu: canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us...
mircea_popescu: so far neither strat seems to work any
mircea_popescu: im not sure if shitty contemporary bands should be given 10k in grants to derp quietly in a corner at their craft or just be medicated worth 10k for possesion.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've had classmates with "farm money" talk their parents into covering their Film School, Mary Jane prescription, and subsequent X-mas DUI's. Weirder things happen in fiat land.
nubbins`: and nobody wants to get blacklisted, 'cause ain't nobody but the government giving out free money
nubbins`: that's the thing about grants, you get blacklisted if you don't produce (a) your work and (b) your receipts
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The 2k minimum is to avoid the situation where they buy exactly the number of cd's they have friends to pester and need pod cd's twice a month for a decade.
nubbins`: it was their third album, first one paid for by someone else
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wow socialist utopia. was the album actually made ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I figured I'd throw a quote out there just in case some "band" has parents with more coin than sense
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, the only way to do this is, make the whole studio, force-sign the bands, work them like slaves.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there exist no indie bands which can afford a 10 btc expenditure on life saving surgery
BingoBoingo: Nubbins 2k cd minimum order I could set up cd production with artisinal hand labeling ~ 8.7 BTC and handle the remaining on a print on demand basis. 6 week turn around for the first batch.
mircea_popescu: most of the good old shit is one of a kind setups
mircea_popescu: the last existing top hat factory was destroyed in a family dispute coupla decades ago
nubbins`: they do direct-to-metal digital masters with this crazy machine
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but srsly, if you can get a vynil press you can sell to all the hippies
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How many Cd's do they need duped?
nubbins`: they're only around $700
kakobrekla: at this point - might be more $ to be in the floppy biz.
nubbins`: well, there's that too
nubbins`: it's hard to say because a lot of bands are doing vinyl or download cards these days instead of cds. ballpark guess, might get 1000 cds duped over the next year
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla's idea goes a long way towards that. "3k, cause they're prepaid"
nubbins`: just happened to be making some cd cases for a band and they wanted discs printed, idly wondering if we'd want to duplicate em too
nubbins`: which means 3k cds duplicated before i can stop worrying about breaking the thing
nubbins`: realistically could charge about 50 cents for the duplication of one cd
nubbins`: nice middle-of-the-line cd duplicator is maybe $1500
BingoBoingo: TLP's rum fountain analogy in those articles is probably the best popular science writing this century so far.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, The Last Psychiatrist had all of those wonderfully illustrative Seroquel articles about complexity in the right places, but... Tis off pattent nao
mircea_popescu: but that's complexity in the wrong place.
BingoBoingo: Come on, there's nothing more complex than the cascade of mystery meat that happens when lithium displaces sodium in the gap and raises action potential
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seeing how well the current stuff works, they can just patent borax glass and give that to people.
BingoBoingo finds it interesting that in a few years on patent Atypical Antipsychotics will dry up, and the next pivot isn't apparent on the horizon yet.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo stop opposing research and job creating funding in research and SCIENCE and global warming. << I'm fighting marketing. Just because pharma doesn't want to compete with Tesla's 1337 battery factory doesn't mean that there are better uses for those salts than motor carriages and iBortions.
mircea_popescu: we're trying to build a great future here and you gotta throw simple element wrenches into the windows
BingoBoingo: dub> they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis << Also they don't really give lithium much for psychosis anymore which is a shame considering how well it works...
BingoBoingo: dub: Not just then, low dose lithium can work well for a person when their brain is just running a little hot.
dub: they give lithium in cases of extreme psychosis
midnightmagic: "what the fuck is wrong with me" *sluggish zombie-movement*
midnightmagic: i didn't know until afterwards that the water was contaminated. they sell it as a health spa.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there's one in romania and i think somewhere in serbia ? or maybe it was albania
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> they even market all these miracle-curing sulphurous mineral waters. < been to such place, saturnia in italy.
midnightmagic: my mistake the show is called "A Bite Of China" but damned if I can find the episode now :)
dub: if yan can cook then so can you
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: pure salt is. The impurities give it the weird extra flavours. I mean some I'm not cool with. There's this weird black salt that has a lot of sulphur in it.
mircea_popescu: dub is racis the enemy of ratrans ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: lol no, but its extraction is hugely labour-intensive.. same as lots of things in our world that have disappeared because nobody's willing or able to go to the effort anymore
dub: mircea_popescu: just the balls
midnightmagic: there are some weird salts that are hand-mined and prepared in china too. They highlight one in a show called "Taste of China".
mircea_popescu: either that or green
mircea_popescu: yeah, proly the best pepper.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the sechuan pepper i actually like
copumpkin: chinese lamb sticks are the best
mircea_popescu: how much do they cost ?
nubbins`: started humming about actually duplicating them too
nubbins`: reason i'm wondering is we got a job producing cd jackets etc for a band, and we're printing on the discs
copumpkin: hell, I can't even remember the last time I handled physical media
nubbins`: but they're fuckin cheap. like under 3btc
nubbins`: that's in the "cons" list
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma walk over to the county fair and grab some chikin livers to go with this vodka
nubbins`: with the little robot arms
benkay: the spoon is a lie
nubbins`: i'm trying to see if i can make a business case for buying one of these cd duplication machines
mircea_popescu: benkay well it's a spoonlet then , not quite a fork
nubbins`: benkay i know all the verbs you just used
mircea_popescu: i never had that thing. what the hell is it
mircea_popescu: not the sort of thing that really needs to be read by too many people anyway.
BingoBoingo: I guess that people will have to read other places that he is suspected of being the lead USG plant
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, I though I'd give him the "UnsavoryGarnish, Vegetable" ninjashogun and gmaxwell earned
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Not that they've released. Apparently the presale ether goes in their genesis block
mircea_popescu: much like the life of andreas derpopowhatever, except two years earlier
benkay: BingoBoingo: is this ether coin a btc fork or...
mircea_popescu: this is a dispute where a consumate gofer (ie, gmaxwell) is trying to veer their naivity into some sort of political relevance for himself, gets called out and then stomped out.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this isn't in any sense a dispute pitting flaming social justice warriors and other braindamaged kids trying to make the world "liberal" a la copumpkin against cold hard reality.
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that time has meanwhile proven my points doesn't in any sense help.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, this whole ether huffing thing smells just like the mastercoin "sell coin now" and then "release anything eventually"
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mircea_popescu: otherwise, the dispute is preserved here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/
benkay: having failed to read my fair share of fine print in the past.
mircea_popescu: getting publicly humiliated ? the usaul thing.
BingoBoingo: Well, it was just last week the link dropped here of an aspiring HYIP scammer who lost a whole BTC to malware he though would let him cheat a pasted together gambling site.
mircea_popescu: mike_c in this case, the only significant amount of btc is in the hands of the idiots trying to fraudulently prop an ipo scam visible from the moon, in some sort of misplaced delusion of legal immunity.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: yeah, it didn't seem completely retarded. i had attached some of that feeling to this ethereum thingy. didn't realize it was just a complete nothing.
mike_c: i didn't think we were there yet.
mike_c: well, are you proposing that there is no longer significant # of btc in the hands of idiots?
mircea_popescu: mike_c right, because nobody with any btc reads the logs, or reddit, or twitter.
mike_c: these names.
mike_c: da fuck am i thinking of? mycelium, etherwhoizt. what the fuck is that node-less wallet thingy?
BingoBoingo: Then it will pretend to be a something before becoming a nothing again
mike_c: isn't ethereum a wallet or something?
BingoBoingo: Wait, there's a wallet thing that does that?
mircea_popescu: funny how that'd be the case.
mircea_popescu: o wait, they're all sent off the same software which simply substracts the same mining fee from the txn ?
mircea_popescu: why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ?
bitstein: Well I'm amazed by any purchase of Ethereum, so...
mircea_popescu: lol so people bought >1k btc worth of ethereum at 2k each btc , instead of buying 1k btc worth of ethereum at 5k each btc ?
bitstein: Ethereum has raised nearly $800k in about 2 hours: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
mircea_popescu: anyway, very merkley??? looking shit, except minus either the talent or the interest
BingoBoingo: http://www.horseradishfestival.net/ << Event that happens in the shadow of the Catsup Bottle/Dildo water tower
BingoBoingo: "I would encourage you to finish before the majority of your committee members retire. (seriously.)" << Roflmao, I know a between one and two hand full of countable fingers of these people.
mircea_popescu: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/06/Troy/Robert%20Stocklas_2013.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg << check out the punctured oil heater with a jimmy rigged power connection.
BingoBoingo: OMG spot the DOgecoiner
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BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/07/17/brenda_ann_kenneally_documents_life_below_the_poverty_line_in_troy_york.html
bitstein: I'll pass on a draft later on. I have school in the way right now.
bitstein: Yes, that's the hyperbolic summary.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it being ill, they'll prolly shoot someone with it.
FoOdies: the firm usage
FoOdies: notice the usage of when
mircea_popescu: "o, could never do that". well ? why not ? whoi's to tell the bums how to behave ? who's to tell children what to do, when and how ?
FoOdies: until then it's just an unregulated trading asset
mircea_popescu: find the us guy that wil tell a bum what to do, how to speak and so on.
FoOdies: mircea_popescu the day bitcoin is no longer paired against fiat is the day bitcoin has reached it's purpose
mircea_popescu: and it's really universal. i was out one night here, and a bum (there's tons of bums in buenos aires, they have matresses in the street and whatnot) started howling. like 3 am.
bitstein: Pierre_Rochard has referred to Bitcoin as an example of Coase theorem. Bitcoin can be allocated however... it will fall out of the hands of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: bitstein it's not just money, either. consider my earlier quoted piece about how "you can't police other people's oppression".
FoOdies: not when you're the host
mircea_popescu: ie, they're firm in the notion that nothing in their hand can be of value. a sort of reverse-midas mentality.
mircea_popescu: bitstein well the idea that in order for bitcoin to have value, it must be traded out of your hand.
BingoBoingo: FoOdies: Mess is why you go to the Goat's house
bitstein: <+mircea_popescu> this is why they keep insisting on the bitcoin merchant dead meme, << you mean the idea that merchants matter?
FoOdies: and the mess you have to clean up afterwards
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BingoBoingo: <FoOdies> true but I doubt people who've been to an interrecial intersex interspecies orgy are interested in reading any porn << if only you knew what a hassel these things are to set up...
mircea_popescu: and this is why a lot of other things.
mircea_popescu: bitstein basically the idea is that a whole generation of mutton has been raised to abhor actual power, and to readily insist it must be traded in for power tokens.
FoOdies: why would I need to read about other retards' mishaps when I have a first have experience with fbi+mi5+sri
mircea_popescu: but anyway. culture is much like ash in the ashtray : the leftovers of all your nights wasted reading stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: FoOdies arguably the life of one who's never heard of weev isn't that precious.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise you want saussure and levi strauss
mircea_popescu: a fine excerpt is in there. ballas does a great job of doing the psychiatric basics of it
mircea_popescu: ah well then.
mircea_popescu: bitstein re your hoarders article, you familiar with the power/fetish of power exchange and all that jazz ?
thickasthieves: i'm selling out for the community
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think the applicable term to describe weev is "fall guy" or "meat shield"
mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/matter/the-martyrdom-of-weev-9e72da8a133d << this is kinda weird bullshit. as far as mah sources tell me, weev is fundamentally a guy of strange habits and little computing capcity who just had the guts to publish material some other guy actually produced. he is in any sense a front, not a hacker.
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mircea_popescu: one too many trilema links i nthere.
BingoBoingo: ;;buy 1000000 "Altcoins, the sha-256 coin mentioned http://therealaltcoin.org/" 175 satoshis "per Altcoin, other quantities and price points may be entertained"
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mircea_popescu: jesus the dog coin is worthless.
mike_c wants all the coinz
gribble: The outlook is good.
mircea_popescu: course they won't notice. anything to avoid that ego wound. but still...
thickasthieves: they wont notice
mircea_popescu: finding yourself confronted with the sad reality that people aren't equal and groups suck.
mircea_popescu: must suck, you know, to be one of these fucktards, earnestly believing that everyone's equal and groups are great,
mircea_popescu: "we have the community, it just so happens to be a community of worthless retards. o noes!"
BingoBoingo: http://altcoinherald.com/altcoins-currently-community-takeovers/ << Tales from the Bagholder's social club
thickasthieves: "What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post." full circle
BingoBoingo: Posting memes and jokes won't do. We have the community, and we have the social media reach. What we don't have is a service or good which is unique to Doge which offers such an incentive to use the currency that Fiat will not dare pee on our post."
BingoBoingo: Once more, as a reminder, we need to create a reason for people to want to buy in into Dogecoin, and for whales to hold their stash.
BingoBoingo: If you simply look at the chart of buy vs sell orders, it can be intuitive to say that some whale decided to cash out.
mircea_popescu: stop dropping the Es man
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, i am forgetting the idiots.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the mp eats babies crowd and "momentum traders" who want to flip the thing right away
thickasthieves: reddit deleted my link to your ethereum thing
mircea_popescu: watch how nobody does, and then watch the ethereum people lie about how they sold however many.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so now, elementary economic theory : if one actually WANTS ethereum coins, they'll buy from me.
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