CheapBoy: Cool. The gribble bot wrote that link actually.
BingoBoingo: The BFL auto shop http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/my-e30-m3-nightmare-1601125946/1609714036/+pgeorge
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Here's a basic link for setting up a workspace for drafting GPG text http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
assbot: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal
mike_c: CheapBoy: you got something odd stuck on the end or that URL. https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/
CheapBoy: +BingoBoingo Thanks, but the links seem to be down
mike_c: it was under 76 before the break.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you set up GPG and register in the WoT I'll lend you a rating so you can self voice.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well, have you started looking at setting up GPG yet, since that would be necessary to do the trade?
pigeons: probably they won't email you the wallet for another few bfl-months, but i hae no actual clue about that
pigeons: so i suppose you could sell the wallet
pigeons: CheapBoy: i asked that too, was told "no". but try #etherum. actually, i heard they were emailing (!) encrypted wallets (perhaps generated with not-so-random keys via mouse movements!)
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well I doubt the ethereum people are going to make or allow a market for that since, etherium is supposed to be a market
CheapBoy: I'm trying to understand if people will be able to "sell" their ethereum pledge before it is released atm.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: User 'nycbtcpros', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1HoUw9FVHXxB1Wm9mbetDE1UhgiQfdgFkk, registered on Sat Jun 14 08:04:58 2014, last authed on Sat Jun 14 08:12:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nycbtcpros . Currently not authenticated.
mike_c: harder to apply to others as gas
BingoBoingo: I just dunno why anyone would want ether that can't soak a rag
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you actually want the Ether, mircea_popescu's short if the cheapest offer going
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: so far the authentic chinese food I've tasted pretty much lives up to its visual appeal; Yunnan province (where a lot of that episode was filmed) is delicious and very un-weird.
benkay: the hype cycle was just reeeeeally long.
pigeons: who are these people buying it? i see everyone ssaying the obvious about who knows what a good price is and if the platform will ever materialize, but someone is paying
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: You are a brave soul going long on Ether.
CheapBoy: Would you buy ethereum for me even though it's not officially released, but tradable?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again... // what, you calling asciilifeform a scammer?
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mircea_popescu: i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again...
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benkay: kinda the whole point
mircea_popescu: mike_c im not gonna bother with > 9 months.
CheapBoy: I am hesitating, it says "scheduled for release winter 2014/2015" on the site. Pretty big risk it's delayed imo.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << mandatory reading i say.
BigBitz: in fairness some of those 88 people are not the most trusted :P
mircea_popescu: pick some you know from there, ask 'em.
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy if you lok in the gribble response above you see the list of all the 88 people.
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gribble: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: <https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/>; Creating a new GPG key | Ana's blog - ekaia dot org: <http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/>; Generating More Secure GPG Keys: A Step-by-Step Guide: <http://spin.atomicobject.com/2013/11/24/secure-gpg-keys-guide/>
BigBitz: the pre-premine coin.
BigBitz: Ohhh. Ethereum. lol.
gribble: The GNU Privacy Guard: <https://www.gnupg.org/>; GNU Privacy Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard>; GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love: <https://gpgtools.org/>
mircea_popescu: BigBitz the eth scamcoin. you gotta read teh logs more.
benkay: BigBitz: ether.
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy i have no problem with your assigning your delivery, but to do that you will need to register a gpg signature in the wot.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the first future deal in btc, too.
CheapBoy: What guarantee do the people buying presale ehereum get as of now?
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mircea_popescu: CheapBoy ok, that'll be 3 btc, with the caveat that if eth is not released or not trading come march 15th you get 1 satoshi back.
benkay: sign a thing with the addr from which he pays you?
mircea_popescu: benkay ironically, for this deal he doesn't actually need one. he's the long party.
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mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! << broke countries?
mircea_popescu: "listentomesluralltheconsonantsintoaporrigeofmushty"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! is it like what, 1860 ?
benkay is amazed at the amount of dick going into that butt
mircea_popescu: so argentina. much surprising. all the fucking time.
dub: whats the op called where they send in fuckable chicks to get ammunition on targets ala assange?
benkay: the joke there is that nobody saw how dumb of an idea claiming to be a pretty young intern at the white house is
benkay: intern for the white house?
benkay: gotta love how her face is the lede
mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, what did they say ?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Basically Ms. Boring forked the foundation taking a stronger stand in favor of "Let's all just surrender to the State more and faster now, k thx"
benkay: what happened to the dowry?
dub: there are far too many backyards of my childhood and few of them meet the >10000km away requisite
mike_c: you also pay for it if you don't give her the wedding she wants.
benkay: yeah, but it's not the backyard of your childhood and also you're paying for it.
benkay: <dub> she just finalised our venue, twas all I could do to drag it back to 300km away from 10000km // sucker - i had mine in the backyard of the house in which i grew up.
BingoBoingo: I guess if there is one thing to learn from a year and a half of Havelol's history it is that Bitcoin also seems to be killing the veil of corporate protection as a formal construct https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7987373#msg7987373
mircea_popescu: it makes all its money out of exploiting the erroneous mindset that derps matter and groups work.
mircea_popescu: basically, bfl is essentially bad for... them.
hanbot: mp gets all the bitches
BingoBoingo: All the while they forget that in the past year BFL has went from being bad for Bitcoin to merely being bad for a certain kind of people who want into Bitcoin and probably ought to begin buying pre-order lube
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect the reasoning here is that "bfl is bad for bitcoin" and so therefore selling to them is "bad for bitcoin" and so it's a smart move.
mircea_popescu: #freenode is terminally fucking braindamaged. a year ago they stopped taking donations because "it was too much effort". since then i've been trying to get them a server up. pretty much zero interest.
BingoBoingo: It really is some magic, thinking they can talk something to death, but then actually damaging everything by selling out to the worst actor in the space they derped against for so long.
mircea_popescu: typical "whoddunit/not me" infantilism. it was a mistake but we're not really stupid, we did it for the cash but we're not really desperate,
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i got a lulz out of their scummy apology/explanation as to how they sold the domain to bfl.
mircea_popescu: i thot they still teach in those social pseudosciences just how informative one's apparent assumptions are. i guess nobody does psychology seriously since the pills huh.
mircea_popescu: As far as my observations go, I think there are many idealists, but they are a bit complicit in that these fuckers aren't shouted down or ejected because they are "of the community"."
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess my knowing who they are and who they fucked and all the dirt makes this an unequal contest and therefore me racist or somesuch.
mike_c: lol, sometimes they get one right: "Christ almighty. Can you summarize that in like a few thousand words?"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the person i'm repackaging is christos ballas, which kind-of informs as to the depth of intelligence the core of us libertards has at its disposal : they can dig as deep as about the past coupla months, and that's that.
mircea_popescu: i am thankful for the internet for this, by the way. before every idiot had a voice, the world was less amusing, and the reasons why the poor must be whipped daily less obvious.
dub: mike_c: no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date mike_c: 3) she starts planning for 6 months
dub looks for the unsee button
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:( <<< i beg to differ. taaki is a bitcoin legend : http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: one of the reason girls trying to break into porn have to work so hard is that there's so damned many of them
mircea_popescu: anyway, the part where there's 500 ether aethereum ethereum etc is certainly helpful.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder <<< could is such a majik word.
mircea_popescu: benkay: i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital. << there is no such thing as "waste" of human capital any more han there's waste of carbon. it's an element, whatever it gets used for is just fine.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything <<< irish chicks have above average to epic freckles.
mircea_popescu: i guess in a sense this is just the unavoidable effect of their irrelevant impotence. "if you can't do something useful anyway, might as well make a buck doing something pointless"
mircea_popescu: now all these unemployable fuckwits with business insider blogs and whatnot expect a coupla hundred to tout the next scam.
mircea_popescu: benkay: I WAS JUST SAYING THIS << basically doge opened the way for "mainstream" media shilling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: before divorcing, i do not know. << why divorce the woman just because she's getting exercise ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was originally thinking bitcoin-the-prototype needs to run about five years before actual iteration is worth contemplating
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chaining methodology << sure. and ten other things.
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mircea_popescu: they are going to be A LOT more scared, i'm getting a "get in touch" program out for politicians.
ThickAsThieves: “There’s nobody else in DC that cares about bitcoin, bitcoin has a terrible reputation, people are scared to touch it, nobody wants to be involved with it, and a lot of it is a lack of understanding.”
mircea_popescu: benkay: can't say yet need moar read << pls let the group know.
ThickAsThieves: “I give bitcoin 12 to 18 months before its fate will be decided by lawmakers. We don’t have a lot of time to tackle these issues, and if we don’t, bitcoin will be narrowed down to a hobbyist niche and not a true industry.” ~ Perianne Boring
pigeons: don't forget the child porn and drug trafficicking to go with the terrorism. oh and file-sharing
mircea_popescu: benkay you were asking how to improve the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore << this is because you've stopped fucking teenagers.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay you read the http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ? // read it yes, but the context?
mircea_popescu: the guy that didn't manage to buy some bitcoins and also had a sextape ?
ThickAsThieves: the SR auction weiner
mircea_popescu: sec to announce partnership with bitcoin scammers next, to fight terrorism and other stresses.
ThickAsThieves: this is the first timei'm upvoting things i disagree with
gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <the20year> nubbins`: i sent you my address
mike_c: ;;seen the20year
ThickAsThieves: there's more...
ThickAsThieves: Who is going to be the google of ethereum? (well... lets not kid ourselves... probably google on that one)
ThickAsThieves: I sincerely apologize. My comment was directed at the user who said that no one would want or need this. I cant get into specifics on what we are working on but here are a few questions that spring into mind.
ThickAsThieves: "Instead of making a "You guys just don't understand how big this is going to be" comment, why don't you tell us what your plans involve so we get a better idea of what ethereum is? " ~smarter commenter
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well clearly if "he thinks" and "he can't see" your dumb face he wins the internets.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's a major feedstock for a number of organic chemistry reactions.
ThickAsThieves: the commenter?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves does the guy have a name ?
ThickAsThieves: "I think smart contracts are pretty revolutionary, and once they're commonplace we'll all wonder how we got along without them." this is people responding to me asking wtf will actually use it
mircea_popescu: benkay you read the http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story. << do I dare ask what you did with said ether?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold << that's not the good part. the good part is a better chaining methodology.
rithm: i don't seeing having the value bitcoin has
mircea_popescu: and to the rest of em. lube up.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles // think talmud
mircea_popescu: we will definitely have a showdown over all this crap one of these days. and as to why james gibson & his merry scammer friends are stil on the street.
rithm: but ethereum has no plans to "integrate" or use the bitcoin blockchain for any type of verification, right?
mircea_popescu: hey SEC ? where the fuck is your dumb ass baby ?
assbot: ethereum
ThickAsThieves: The only location to purchase ether is http://j.mp/1nkJeYG - Any other website, emails, skype, twitter, etc are scams.
mircea_popescu: pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story.
pigeons: rithm: there is a testnet that executes contracts, but themining alogirthm will change when they decide to make one up
rithm: calling it ether almost seems like expert troll
pigeons: i had some esther or something the other day, it wasnt ether but it worked in the same manner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no. <<< quite.
rithm: like an ethereumd
mircea_popescu: a scam doesn't work very well in the open.
ThickAsThieves: from what i read, the ETH is in total lockdown til it's released
pigeons: is there a built-in mechanism for these suckers, i mean people to trade their ether before/if the production network ever comes out?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was chuckling at the buttcoin treatment earlier, "let's look at things from the position that popularity matters and then get all aggitated when nothing makes sense".
rithm: so you are selling 5000 ether, deliverable in 2015, for 1 BTC now?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee << that's okay, the only thing that's keeping derppit from a collective headexploy is all the shit their collective dumbass doesn't know.
rithm: mp have you sullied yourself in this ether scamcoin
assbot: Bitcoin_Error_Log comments on Mircea Popescu offers a short of Etherium coins up to 1 KiloBTC's worth at 5000 per BTC deliverable in 2015
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2bfwaw/mircea_popescu_offers_a_short_of_etherium_coins/cj5e00i lol
mircea_popescu: this is the major advantage for the fucktarded socialists : once la revolucion starts it fucks up things so badly people want a revolution.
mircea_popescu: after 8 years of "we can do it" and "change nao" i doubt you can find any broad group that's of the oppinion things can continue as they are.
ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking for the masses of course
ThickAsThieves: they represent sameness
mircea_popescu: a) how the fuck are conservatives going to make electoral gains in populist times and b) who the fuck do the republicans even represent anymore, they've lost the teaparty.
assbot: BitBet - Republicans win majority of the U.S. Senate :: 1.07 B (71%) on Yes, 0.43 B (29%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 98`238 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance << you know how many of these there've been, over the years ? and how painfully and mean-ly they've been humiliated ?
ThickAsThieves: you say the same thing as me
mircea_popescu: now it's quite clear they';re recycling some borrowed btc as "investments".
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering << no, the best part is pulling the rug from under the scammer's feet quite unexplectedly.
rithm: what is ether scam
BingoBoingo: benkay> <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here << OMG Opsec fail
assbot: 5 reasons the Bitcoin Bowl is good for Tampa Bay's tech scene - Tampa Bay Business Journal
BingoBoingo: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/blog/morning-edition/2014/07/5-reasons-the-bitcoin-bowl-is-good-for-tampa-bays.html
mircea_popescu: (basically it ensures that no institutionals will be holding eth today for the purpose of satysfying a mid or long term goal, is all)
mircea_popescu: it does allow you to go into a technical short, by buying the future and selling your spot, if you hold any.
assbot: Reptilians: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mthreat: sounds like the US :)
mircea_popescu: mthreat they're printing like crazy for sure, tho. usually i get ~40% new bills, but the last few buys i got 80-100% new bills.
mircea_popescu: mthreat i've not yet had a fake bill either.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients << i never bothered to get a client myself so there's that.
mthreat: ya, i usually get under the top "blue rate", but my cueva hasn't given me fake money
mircea_popescu: also it never touched 12.x in march, talking out of ass these ppls.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: understood, we’ll go the annotated article list route
chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/argentina-debt-mediation-goes-surreal-neither-side-turns-meeting-black-market-peso-t
mircea_popescu: k the badly burnt coffee"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks << talking to ex-us-mil guy, "i'll tell you what starbucks is. back in the force, they'd make these largish tanks of coffee at the crack of down, keep them on reheat, throw them out at night. starbucks is pretty much like a drink out of that tank right before it getting thrown out. which is why they put all the cream and crap into it : gotta try and mas
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles
fluffypony: which, from what I understand, is a fork that lets you just pick up the æthereum equivalent of your BTC balance
fluffypony: yes - this is æthereum tho
thestringpuller: so Ethereum tx script's are turing complete?
assbot: [RFC] thereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchain
fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder with ease, yo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg7991275#msg7991275
benkay: <thestringpuller> just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. // biodiesel
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I found that labour-intensive salt cooking reference I mentioned the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHNa9qdtlw#t=1096
thestringpuller: just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards.
thestringpuller: benkay: i like how many companies are appearing that can just be subverted with the WoT.
pankkake: and confusing trust (what businesses want) and identity verification (what the tax man wants)
benkay: quite the deep learners
benkay: "play good with others" lost art of grammar
benkay: man the derp brigade is out in force today
asciilifeform: self-service gasenwagen. wave of the future. amazing! technology.
pankkake: and they're really misleading users
benkay: "As of yet, no work has been done on adding support for blockchain domains to ONS and the ONS command line tools."
benkay: danielpbarron: the little reading i've done suggests that it's not a namecoin killer, as that'd require...studying existing solutions and then doing it better. i've yet to find much support fot eh notion that the folks involved have done any research at all yet.
benkay: i mean the kind of sociocultural upheaval that accompanied silicon and then the internet, and will eventually fall out of bitcoin, pankkake
pankkake: never another silicon?
bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything
mike_c: except the irish
bitcoinpete: "But for those who missed out on getting in on Bitcoin early, Ethereum's launch represents something of another chance."
asciilifeform: whether he stayed awake in school math and had the sense to look at the actual waveform (perhaps wife was fond of jumping on the bed?) before divorcing, i do not know.
bitcoinpete: foam soaks up all the vibrations
asciilifeform: the funny part is that wearing the electrodes utterly destroyed my sleep quality. and, on the other hand, the variants without electrodes ('actigraph' gadgets) are junk - they can only distinguish 'REM' from other phases of sleep, but nothing more.
assbot: Battle of the Zzzs: How Zeo's Sleep Monitors Stack Up - Forbes
bitcoinpete: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicetruong/2012/02/24/battle-of-the-zzzs-how-zeos-sleep-monitors-stack-up/
bitcoinpete: "The app tells you how well you slept, or didn't, by giving you a unique Sleep Score each night. You can begin to correlate interruptions in your sleep to external conditions and disturbances. You can play back key sound disturbances via the app to say “Ah, the garbage truck broke my sleep cycle at 3am. I didn’t even realize that.”
nubbins`: how's it compare to rates in the rest of canada?
lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore
bitcoinpete: with their own little movie industry and everything
ThickAsThieves: and some other one