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BingoBoingo: Golden toilet prices of $695 mil deliver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Musial_Veterans_Memorial_Bridge and the road surface isn't even smooth but the most charitable definition
mircea_popescu: that'd be 200ish mn for the steel alone.
xmj: especially the ones across belts, and stuff
mircea_popescu: if someone made a sterling silver lifesized replica of the golden gate, it'd still not be 3bn.
BingoBoingo: There's probably a few places in the world where a bridge might cost 3 billion honestly, but...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he failks to comprehend that the bridge in question does not in fact cost 3bn
assbot: "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" and Why Decentralization Isn't All It's Cracked Up to Bean essay. : Buttcoin
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2bmbmi/the_tyranny_of_structurelessness_and_why/ << meanwhile social sciences redditard is stumbling on the concept of bitcoin-as-acutally-is deductively.
BingoBoingo: "I can see this working for a limited amount of time, in small communities. But who is going to build a $3 Billion bridge and regulate the quality of the engineering? Donations? What will keep greedy companies from paying desperate workers $2/hour, which is what is happening right now in countries with less regulation." Ferries are still a thing
fluffypony: the amount of ignoreance is too damn high: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708883.0
mircea_popescu: i ran a town, it was a pleasure to live in. for everyone except the buttcoiners, of course (the dumbass kids that go for postdocs in the us didn't exist) and the feminists (the dumbass womenz also didn't exist).
assbot: PureApeshit comments on I honestly don't care about many laws put around Bitcoin. The funny thing is I'm your average American next door neighbor.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2blwn1/i_honestly_dont_care_about_many_laws_put_around/cj6s0ar << the lithuanian guy has a point.
BingoBoingo: Right now a big piece of spam when I listen to the radio is "Own your own oil well" commercials targeting accredited investors.
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mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFbYM2EDz40 sorta braindamaged explanation that's nevertheless fundamentally correct.
BingoBoingo: This is a moral failing of Doge and Ether
BingoBoingo: Altcoin as usual is the perfect contrast because dev costs are already sunk and minimal. Instead what ATC has are long term commitments to buy it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it'd logically be the 5k it originaly got. anything it gets past 5k past the 5k would be outside interest.
BingoBoingo: Anything Eth gets beyond the initial 5 kilo BTC might be outside interest
BingoBoingo: At least Ripple had the courtesy to give away their fail tokens at the start. Basically the Ether terms are then can funnel up to 5kilo BTC back into "development" with the net effect they can Burn 5000 btc in this sale and relaim them later as "expenses"
mircea_popescu: derp : "omfg they got 5k btc this is so important". older generation derp : "ripple claimed the same thing, a year later they have nothing to show for it"
mircea_popescu: "Somehow I managed to partially recover from my Ripple loss, I don't think I will invest in anything else but bitcoin in the future."
mircea_popescu: also the various eth threads all over are pretty lulzy
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BingoBoingo: Indeed rather large as well. Getting enough that size for a strand would be one of (expensive, a pain in the ass)
BingoBoingo: They ship here pretty well from clean waters. Helps that oysters are rather robust for shellfish.
mircea_popescu: fresh they're pretty good yeah
BingoBoingo: Well, if I settled next to the sea I figured I'd call myself vegetarian and eat hundreds of oysters a day for the trollz
BingoBoingo: Being as far as they are from anything else that might vaguely be considered an animal
BingoBoingo: Anyone can imagine they've done anything if they smash their head into a cinder block until they have the cognitive funtion of an oyster
BingoBoingo: Case study in why etherium prolly won
BingoBoingo: Dude thoug adopted the Doger-aspie mentality of I want X, but only via route Y.
mircea_popescu: i've definitely spent more than 500 hours whipping slaves over the past decade
BingoBoingo: Or hexeditor on the ROM
cazalla: i'll ask my brother, he held WR for fastest complete on pokemon red for gameboy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm moe dumfounded that he didn't just fck the rng to favor him
mircea_popescu: "O'Connell went through this process whenever he could, be it while he was watching TV or surfing the internet. He estimates that he's reset the game maybe over 100,000 times, with over five hundred hours dedicated to this single consuming task."
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asciilifeform: (everybody gets a unique firmware. as described in the prospectus.)
asciilifeform: regardless of where the production gizmos end up baking, the 'breath of life' will have to be breathed into them right here.
decimation: true, in the case of security hardware
asciilifeform: decimation: you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines << when it comes to it - one can run the machines in person. if one is truly serious.
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decimation: at least in new york they get sea breezes
asciilifeform: in summer, tropical hell, like the venus of old sf stories
decimation: I suspect that they are more substantially graded than us highways
asciilifeform: swamp land of dc << example. moved to new place recently. even the garden shed has... air conditioner.
mircea_popescu: ZTV Asphalt-tr 07/ZTV Beton-StB 07 being the relevant standards, if anyone's curious.
decimation: Re: asphalt roads - in germany they build only with concrete for highways afaik
decimation: if an alient landed in nebraska and said "take me to your leader", would the alien be disappointed with whomever appears?
mircea_popescu: the way a country of "laws not men" works is by definition that unless it stumbles into sense, it will thread stupidity.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is an unfair observation. who in the us has the authority to actually take these facts in hand and make a decision ?
asciilifeform: decimation: an asphalt road is far from any kind of permanent edifice. gets reclaimed by the jungle after just a few years of neglect. so don't expect to hear any talk of 'future' anything.
decimation: go into debt building roads they can't afford while failing to provision for a future when no one can afford cars
decimation: after spending $3 billion to build road, the gov't managers said that the 4-foot trail next to the road would be "too expensive" to complete
asciilifeform: the whole dc region is a gigantic swamp.
asciilifeform: decimation: the remainder - confiscated from a few hundred unfortunates.
decimation: most of the land for md200 was donated by local DC land baron to build Konterra
asciilifeform: decimation: md200 << aye. i even have the rfid billing gizmo just for it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I just guessing off of the name that Julia has a vagina API call, and vaginas are accomodating to nearly anything given sufficient time to warm up
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you mean so apache will serve the pages remotely ?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight php is not too popular here, following a total bashing it got a few months ago over some bizarre design choices and (i suspect) the fact tux loved it.
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: I know you want to talk about ======== php, but... What use would you find about an HTML generation language that would make it great for the whole system?
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: It can already be used like the question though is why?
BingoBoingo: decimation: They already cut Apache from base in favor of nginx, this is more it seems a still more basic alternative to nginx for people that desire it
BingoBoingo: Ah, around here one need not drive on a fancy road to find spammed homes. Even the barely paved have domicile spam.
decimation: ascii have you driven on "MD200" (the ICC)
asciilifeform: decimation: assembly for small runs is ruinously expensive, and has logistical issues (where do the parts come from? who purchases? is there a vig?)
decimation: right, pcbs are a different matter I suppose. I'm not so sure that assembly must be so expensive, given that the pcb is outsourced
BingoBoingo: Asystole is the most stable heart rhythym
decimation: I guess it depends on your requirements. if you really must build 8 layer pcbs with blind vias, the equipment to accomplish that is going to cost orders of magnitude more than dual-layer stuff
asciilifeform: decimation: very little. and nothing at all from the s.nsa piggy has gone for tooling.
decimation: ascii, how much would you say you have spent building an electronics assembly house? in my neck of the woods, it's common wisdom that such assembly machines are so expensive that they cannot possibly repay themselves
BingoBoingo: Concentration decides whether it is a nutrient or a preservative hostile to invasive life.
decimation: destruction is so much easier than construction: therefore spending money constructively is more difficult than spending money destructively
asciilifeform: Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools << dollar in the hands of billionaire is not the same as dollar in the hands of a mere mortal. just like a gram of dirt in orbit is not the same as same gram in a moon. 'quantity has a quality of its own.'
decimation: meanwhile the landscape is now permanently spammed with houses, which decay
BingoBoingo: decimation: It isn't just the VC circus. Successful builder finds life better than ever, then buys expensive farmland to build several suburbs for people like himself and goes broke.
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, that shows some proof of the status, but not how it came to be or maybe I'm missing something? Like OpenBSD being put to good use after... :)
mircea_popescu: i actually saw this in the act.
mircea_popescu: suppose rich fools (in the shape of oversexed, misguided older us women) show up in africa, with a cohort of young, undersexed male followers
decimation: yeah one observes this daily in the vc circus
mircea_popescu: decimation you familiar with the "the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on" quip ?
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asciilifeform: rich fool can go to the diesel pot when he goes broke, but in the meantime can work various evils
mircea_popescu: nobody really wants them that's sane.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. rich fools are dangerous in the manner of the weak tower discussed earlier.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ? << Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools
mircea_popescu: decimation try a mental experiment. consider very insular, outsider-hating middle america community. consider you show up there and lavish new york mannerisms and expectations upon them. lynch mob is unsurprising. consider oppositely you show up there and display an intimate knowledge of the various blood feuds underpinning their social system. suddenly everyone wants you over for sunday dinner.
BingoBoingo: No US town wants a factory to be useful, they want it because it employees consumers
asciilifeform: i can picture a scenario where random bozos are invited in, but with the understanding of... biodiesel, if they don't make themselves otherwise useful
mircea_popescu: decimation there's exactly two ways : one's wealth and the ability to select and hire local helpers. the other's deep knowledge and an ability to select and persuade local patrons.
asciilifeform last informed on the subject many years ago
mircea_popescu: i guess some foreigners conflate the two.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're talking to the only romanian billionaire. i don't jobs.
asciilifeform: if i recall, you need to be very popular with the locals, collect signatures, demonstrate cash flow, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's this cracked.com v2.0 set of websites, which pretty much live off internet-hyperbole.
mircea_popescu: the situation in the field has justabout 0 to do with the zerohedge-esque nonsense therein discussed.
decimation: which might be the case
asciilifeform: japan/migrants << we'll know jp is done as a going concern when they give up and let the devils in
mircea_popescu: you should be able to reconstruct state on your own from the sea so to speak
decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/iq-shredders/#more-3088 "How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don?t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder."
decimation: along the same vein
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the only scenario where he can't is where a node only replies to 'friend', otherwise ignores.
mircea_popescu: ful to the bezzlers, which means IT DOESNT EXIST O NOES
mircea_popescu: To have a nation, you must have people and you must have young people to be able to drive the economy and young people buy the products all these gadgets and fine dining and if you dont have that, and you refuse migrants as the Japanese do, you will just dissolve into nothingness! I think before that comes, they may change (their) policy. << a country which doesn't have enough gullible fools is not use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely the fact that i reject the message doesn't say nanything about its validity.
mircea_popescu: the core reason for it is that the species must perpetuate. this hinges on women not really giving a fuck.
asciilifeform: that's the basic 'wot' idea, yes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666 << you have been clearly blessed. now if the lady's late...
asciilifeform: people tend to use weak passwords << this - and the famous experiment where a psychologist purchased office planktons' passwords with chocolate - is a fundamental result of people not giving a fuck. not a technical problem.
decimation: either a central server or a universal blockchain
nubbins`: just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: otherwise trivial mitm.
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I didn't said their passwords
mircea_popescu: "but parents don't want to share the ideology xD" <=> "i'm happy with it but i can't get my parents to use it themselves" ?
DreadKnight: I meant that they're not keen on complex / strong passwords
BingoBoingo: <DreadKnight> but parents don't want to share the ideology xD << Wait, how old are you?
DreadKnight: but parents don't want to share the ideology xD
mircea_popescu: well then. bruteforced shit pws aren't a hack.
DreadKnight: well, didn't knew much about security back then, wasn't protecting the log-in page too well against common stuff
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, used to, but got popular faster then I expected and hacked a few times without backup; might get back into writing soon, without using wordpress this time
decimation: "Consumer price indexes show negligible price changes in non-normalized accounting, not only because they are fudged and rigged, but because prices are set by dollars competing for goods. Because American spenders have fewer and fewer normalized dollars to spend every year, normalized consumer prices are also dropping. " - Mr. moldbug
decimation: "brand over quality" is also an artifact of the dillution of fiat ownership
DreadKnight: started watching that Welcome to the Dollhouse movie someone recommended around xD
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller way it goes.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm not the problem, the game sets me up with weirdos most of the time and it's bad for my health; I don't always have semi decent team mates online to play with
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're prolly not gonna be happy or even willing to hear this, but it sounds like the problem is you.
DreadKnight: forgot to mention noob team mates getting shadow blade in dota2 while there's already an invis carry in the team; or picking multiple invisible heroes *sigh*
DreadKnight: it's rare that I win a game because of another team mate; I usually get really annoyed and tell people what are doing wrong, but not many listen
cazalla: you're gonna lose games, even the top players only have 2:1 win/loss ratios
DreadKnight: cazalla, lost a lot of games in LoL while beating the whole enemy team by myself; all mobas basically have the same issues, but LoL has a few more on top of that
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DreadKnight: cazalla, it has less things to deal with, but yeah; I hate the account system, region limitation, runes and summoner spells needing levels, LoL requires purchase of champions, basically limits you to constantly play the same 2-3 champs most of the time
cazalla: so you message the good ones, start playing together, build synergy, you won't start with it from game 1
cazalla: DreadKnight, it does have the same idiots who kill steal, play wrong lane, afk etc etc
mircea_popescu: decimation the funny thing about the incident is that everyone happily ignored the "your business part" and took it as gospel. "the importance of brand over quality"
pigeons: dignork: yes dogeparty is just counterparty on doge, but like i said, much more useful than ethereum
decimation: when your business model is selling baubles to idiots, it's probably not wise to point out the idiocy of bauble-buying
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone knows the famous case of gerald ratner ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" >> Not to mention the US is the the business now of buying worse planes
DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, but to get high mmr, you have to play with non retards, very wise hand picked people, takes time; and you need to either sync in time tables or to have a lot of such people at your disposal, it's a chore to have a proper team
mircea_popescu: the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes"
decimation: well, in any case russia isn't going to stand for foriegn aircraft patroling its border, and the world knows it will "arm its proxies" or whatever to make it happen
mircea_popescu: if it were 1980s the republicans would have been all in favour, because nothing's better for public contracts than a humiliating, public defeat.
mircea_popescu: a no fly zone would allow the russian airforce to showcase it's unmatched superiority by making short work of everything else.
decimation: right, because every last voter realizes exactly the kind of risk that would entail
BingoBoingo: But in spite of the criticisms the Su-25 ground attack plane shooting it down is probably more feasible than it gets credit for.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. << I'm waiting for the investigation to reveal a la TWA 800 that the plane was doomed when it took off
decimation: I think it is unlikely that it was explictly ordered, but I read another news story that the 'rebels' shot down some more ukranian fighter jets
mircea_popescu: it seems improbable russia shot down the thing.
decimation: which euro nation wants to be the first one to try to start a "no-fly" zone ala iraq?
decimation: another theory of mh17 occured to me the other day: while it seems to be detrimental to the rebel's cause, in the bigger calcuation it might actually help them quite a bit
mircea_popescu: i think naggum was it had a rant on the topic.
BingoBoingo: Well, the downside of skype is it forces you to interact with it through the interface it chooses, among other flaws. IRC though... You can pick a client and if it ends up being shit simply switch
DreadKnight: but thanks to the BBA group, I log into skype once a month tops, very annoying
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Amazing how often older technologies work better than "advances" that would pretent to replace them isn't it
asciilifeform: because in the latter case, two nodes must know something about one another, or mitm is trivial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network << in that traffic should resemble a traditional bitcoin node? or simply point to point encryption?
asciilifeform reminds listeners that he's a rather busy fellow and that they also have hands, and can do all of the above.
mircea_popescu: in principle one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network.
mircea_popescu: also, need much better hidding of the traffix it generates.
mircea_popescu: anyway the hash daisychanin satoshi used was moar like a joke than srs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're willing to ditch ecdsa and use traditional rsa, and eat the cost of longer keys, this is trivial.
mircea_popescu: sort-of where i was seeing the "b-a public registrar" project that nobody wants to do going, in step 2.
asciilifeform: again, as a certified armchair general, i've no idea whether this is actually necessary.
mircea_popescu: yes indeed, there's at least two items for the bitcoin v2.0 : the wol pow detailed above and the p-airthm balance
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'we want an0nym1ty!!1' folks could be satisfied - use paillier's arithmetic to represent balances. so you need private key to know the state of an address.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, year zero will cut off confirmation for new transactions, but I would want for the downloaded stuff to not be 10gb; there are wallets that skip that stuff nowadays, though not recommended in certain cases
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either we keep every pissant transaction around, or we snip. tertium non datur, as i understand.
asciilifeform: every so often, a 'year zero', and the chain is replaced with a hash of its state. anyone who wants the history, goes to an archive.
mircea_popescu: one of the most important vulnerabilities extant in bitcoin as is.
BingoBoingo: Moar biodiesel http://thebiohazardblog.com/2014/07/23/ten-things-i-learned-from-the-dogecoin-community/
asciilifeform: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down. that's not my department, said wehrner von braun.'
mircea_popescu: in particular because of the block increase
asciilifeform: but the concept outlined here would provide something close to the theoretical maximum of annoyance to mining asic builders.
mircea_popescu: i actually kinda want this built, if there's any hardcore c programmer looking for a major project.
mircea_popescu: and of course the 32 can be adjusted as "difficulty"
asciilifeform: actually you can weasel out of inflating block size, by using a hash of your favourite flavour to populate the field.
mircea_popescu: now, imbit = 128kb, which should be enough for the blocks originally.
mircea_popescu: suppose pow is, "find a 1mbit value which xored with your block results in a wol-like table which playing for 32 generations results in a table identical to the table of the block as is"
mircea_popescu: but anyway, forget the bitter me. let's refine your automata idea a little.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho it's a far worse thing when they - do - it.
mircea_popescu: the shit can never get old. "here's what i want, here's what's to be done, here's me not doing it". how would this ever get old.
mircea_popescu: now... what part of "the people are more stupid than can be put into words" needs putting into words ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's laugh together. on one hand it's you saying that, one minute under some derp going in the bitbet comments section to say that since ThickAsThieves posted something here about a topic of interest, and magicaltux also hung out on irc, it follows that bitbet is bad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because actual solution (whether problem ought to be solved is a matter of concern to - other people...) was posted. free for the taking - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590930 - but anyone lifted it? nope
BingoBoingo: Hard to decentralize mining when few people want to work the turd mines
mircea_popescu: "Vertcoin has always been and will continue to be the leader in decentralization of cryptocurrency."
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mircea_popescu: if the final state of the game flows deterministically from the state at any point, there's nothing for a human to do.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no. consider the supermodel of all player strategy games, btc.waroflife.com/
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, I think he was afraid of players doing the same things over and over again, or picking only the best units
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i don't like the "learn this succession of small movements" part.
DreadKnight: there's something going on with Russia lately, because number one source of visitors for my project all of a sudden; dota2 servers are filled with russians, they're very hated
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i play lots of things to try them out. i quit because i can't stand the model. too much like [lowly paid] work.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, these twistys links never work for me, prob not a big deal seeing it's been all nigger dick images past few days
BingoBoingo: Only recent dell hardware I've been impressed with were those Latitude netbooks they made for a while
nubbins`: cazalla it's pretty much only for the closest of calls
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she had the cd with Angry Birds, I hate that game
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight methinks you're showing teenage girls the wrong things.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, played that one as well, I was a moba junkie, it was part of the experience and motivation when designing Ancient Beast
nubbins`: guy says "i didn't think it had a crown on the top"
DreadKnight: and there's the situation where a noob from your team auto attacks instead of last hitting only or last hitting your creeps away from you when you're carry and he's support *sigh*
nubbins`: lel. customer wants "keep calm logo, like on the chive shirts"
DreadKnight: and there's the team mate that always does nothing but steals your kills on purpose, just because, him being support and you being a carry
DreadKnight: so everyone wants the kills, but you can't have 5 carries in a team, no doubt, because there's not enough farm / gold, mircea_popescu
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, carry is the "Rambo" of the game, the one dealing damage but very item Dependant and squishy
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DreadKnight: or simply bad combinations, 4 melee plus yet another melee called void
DreadKnight: sometimes the matches are over before they even begin, all picking a carry instead of getting proper roles, or randoming and getting heroes they know what to do with
DreadKnight: 5vs5 sucks; you can't play with anyone on the globe because of latency, you can't play with friends because they're noobs for sure, it's harder than having a band and you are stuck in a chair all day without making any money
DreadKnight: one feeds, another one gets support and doesnt buy a ward / curier, one is afk, one disconnects, one thinks he's carry with the support, one has tank but he's always last in team fight, another one has initiator but he doesn't initiate crap and so on
cazalla: lol is the same
ThickAsThieves: it is the worst part of dota