ThickAsThieves: we're meta silly now, debating whether we can debate
mike_c: who is "we"? we are having a discussion about whether you can discuss things
mircea_popescu: we are discussing something much broader than that, specifically the limits of agency, human knowledge and so on.
mircea_popescu: mike_c we're not discussing religious viewpoints, nor are we doing the equivalent for fuckpreferences.
ThickAsThieves: not the same as love
mike_c: well, perhaps love is different. with religion, nobody will accept any learning because they are too invested in their current system.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i definitely don't propose there's a winner. the dispute of which is more complex a tool does not map on the discussion of which is a better tool.
ThickAsThieves: note my point of contention was the idea of a winner
mircea_popescu: how the hell is taste to emerge, if not from the public discussion of individual preference ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind. << the point oif the discussion is not to change mind.
benkay: "this conscious operator can't make good decisions, so let's create an alternative decisionmaker inaccessible to the operator to whom good decisionmaking is delegated"
benkay: see also the 12-steppers "higher power"
mike_c: i'm with ThickAsThieves. debating love is like debating religion. nobody is going to change their mind.
rithm: you can add dimensions and then you get to talking about chaos
rithm: but usually fractal geometry is zooming in and seeing a portion of the orignal image
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, but it is odd to see it mentioned in the u.s. 'pravda'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the highway robbery the us govt is conducting as a matter of course is well documented already, yes.
kakobrekla: is it pointing towards the asshole?
rithm: that's probably one of the easier concepts to explain fractal geometry
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rithm: chaos theory
rithm: usually implies infinite zoom and levels where the original image is represented
asciilifeform: '...officers scoring personal bonuses of up to twenty-six thousand dollars a year, straight from the forfeiture fund. In Titus County, forfeiture pays the assistant district attorneys entire salary. Farther south, in Johnson County, I came upon a sheriffs office that had confiscated an out-of-state drivers cash, in the absence of contraband...'
benkay: <mircea_popescu> you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't. // everything is a fractal representation of something else
benkay: you don't go straight for the butthole w/no lube etc.
benkay: "get up at 7, make me coffee and bfast, sweep the apartment and then work out" is about the right load for lady v right now.
mircea_popescu: not like one has to do anything on the strength of what ba said.
mircea_popescu: benkay and if you say "you eat your dogfood with your hands shackled behind your back and if you run into a hair there fu you eat it anyway and if it makes you vomit fu you'll lick it all up the floor and swallow it" ?
benkay: debate all the things while testing in production
benkay: granted there's some yelling and "what about whelping near the g-p's", but at the end of the week the conversation is about which neighborhood in which to site up
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benkay: lines since i last rebooted emacs on the aws micro
benkay: ah, the wives and slaves thread begins.
kakobrekla: anyway, someone should offer a short on the thing, just to keep things healthy.
benkay: "but mocking their idiocy is abuse!"
mircea_popescu: somehow suddenly he's aware of that when it's his skin. but otherwise, happy to run the mouth,
benkay: <mike_c> you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that. // ideally. sculpting them into not-biodiesel is generally frowned upon in these parts.
kakobrekla: yeah but this one is not cause of the money.
fluffypony: jimmothy irritates the living daylights out of me
mircea_popescu: and "it woudln't be fair anyway", for some variation of "mp has all the btc and can do whatever he wants"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you need money for that. his budget was in the decimals last he was offered a short.
kakobrekla: for the 0.02 he has.
mircea_popescu: well yeah but he's what, 90% of the text.
jurov: actually the thread wasn't about "mpex is bad" till jimmothy came around
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mircea_popescu: personally, i kinda like it how they keep making these forum threads about how mpex is bad, get laughed into the ground, close it and reopen it as if it were new.
ThickAsThieves: i could smooth out some if you send me the raw
jurov: mircea_popescu: looks like the F.MPIF perpetrator wants to withdraw
ThickAsThieves: mike_c on more mature note, i can add that the audio has some sibilance issues
mircea_popescu: "unsecured loan" ? where do they get off lmao
ThickAsThieves: this is good: "What baffles me is how people can send so many coins to a supposedly anonymous person. Do you give out unsecured loans to random strangers who you meet for the first time?"
ThickAsThieves: well there is S.NSA after all...
ThickAsThieves: i'm not even racist either
ThickAsThieves: look, i'm an american and i like it, what more is there to need to know really?
mike_c: any other muricans want to give a listen and voice an opinion it would be appreciated. this isn't a love-fest, please say if you think the accent might not work for average US speaker. https://btc.waroflife.com/videos/
DreadKnight: benkay, was actually giving arguments why people shouldn't make mmorpg games, no matter how much money they got into their accounts
ThickAsThieves: lol "MPEX has no value and has been/continues to burden the community." ~hayek
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: vote in progress. too thick for muricans? //// Other than when she says "cunt" instead of "current" the accent is great ;)
wyrdmantis: i have to write the commands right here?
mike_c: kakobrekla: yes.. moving from cron.daily to cron.hourly is on the short list. i'll just do it now.
mircea_popescu: great time to sell into the dirt : when unreported gains.
kakobrekla: mike_c make the thing run hourly ?
mike_c: had to be a fatfinger. reminder #240 to always have an order on the books.
mircea_popescu: benkay don't hate ppls just because they're different
the20year: I'm loving the facebook page thing, it's to the point we're getting half a dozen to a dozen rental applications before our properties in rehab are done
the20year: by the time i read it all, you are on to something else
mircea_popescu: the20year nope we just moved on.
the20year: is the topic still on wives?
benkay: yeah, shove state into the clients. fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu: jurov it's one of the sins burdening me in confession.
benkay: hey why did the order numbers fall over? not busting balls, state conversation made me curious.
mircea_popescu: benkay these two aren't different.
benkay: and really sir - "because state"? not because the chosen architecture made it unnecessary?
mircea_popescu: !up the20year
mircea_popescu: benkay not a bad idea baking that in there i dont think yes.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't.
DreadKnight: unless you go away with mars one project, then you'll care about survival
mircea_popescu: you presume there's a way to live your own life outside of slavery. there actually isn't.
mircea_popescu: that is of course not obvious to most midrange women, which is why they get married.
mircea_popescu: mike_c recall ballas' champagne glasses pyramid. wives are the 2nd or 3rd rung from the bottom.
mike_c: bullshit. the pool i select from is whoever I want. since I am making better offer, I get woman.
mircea_popescu: the pool you can select wives from is already the pool of the women too [insert here] to have a master.
mircea_popescu: what'd you rather do, linux or windoze ? rm -rf has no "are you SURE ???" triplicate dialogue.
mircea_popescu: don't you see the backflow here ? if you KNOW that your order will be unquestioned if it's an order,
mircea_popescu: the fact that a wife is relatively safe, in her person and property makes the relationship much alike to that with a dog. which dog, in it's bestial stupidity, is also relatively safe.
mircea_popescu: meaning is, after all, the ash of sacrifice.
mircea_popescu: there's more to life than that first layer.
mircea_popescu: did this harrowing emotional experience constitute an opportunity for them to grow, as a person ?
mircea_popescu: did it even happen that you were privy to a case where they fucked up ? for w/e reason, they made the wrong call, resulting in a lot of trouble for a patient ?
mircea_popescu: she HELPS. she doesn't presume to actually make them.
mircea_popescu: how the hell does it preclude participating favorably in your life ?
mike_c: no, it precludes the 2nd part
mircea_popescu: applying "no pain no gain" in reverse, obviously there's also a lot more upside with the slave.
mircea_popescu: take it this way : there's a lot less you can be spectacularly wrongabout with the wife. A LOT LESS.
mike_c: it is same as dog. you are limiting the downside, but also limiting upside.
mircea_popescu: yes well, everyone thinks their thing's special, for as long as it lasts.
mike_c: well, i am not concerned with commonly. commonly wife & husband can't stand each other.
mike_c: that is the benefit of slave, like benefit of dog. it will do what you tell it or else. child and wife have different pros & cons.
fluffypony: "The law gives the government permission to make payments in ‘electronic money’, but decentralized digital currencies like bitcoin will now be prohibited. The proposed electronic money is to be backed by the assets of the Banco Central del Ecuador, the nation’s central bank. The National Assembly will oversee the new currency while the central bank will develop and integrate it into the broader financial system."
mike_c: she is still out there.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony pretty much the only thing one can be sure of here, is that news's been scoopt.
fluffypony: they've banned Bitcoin and all digital currencies
mike_c: until you meet the right woman :D
mircea_popescu: which is why women are my slaves, rather than me theirs : because i am great, and they aren't as great.
mircea_popescu: compared to their terms, that suck.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that'd be their problem.
mircea_popescu: i want the right to kill any children or i won't have any. that's that.
mircea_popescu: mike_c why would i take a gamble on another's terms ?
mike_c: fluffypony: yes. and on the other hand they will never have an intelligent conversation with you.
rithm: to speak about ethereum
fluffypony: mike_c: because dogs are adorable and love you, and if your situation changes you can rehome them, and if they have an untreatable aggression problem you can (legally and even morally to most) put them down
rithm: i call to the stand vbuterin
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i don't think they take peers that seriously.
mircea_popescu: this is not dogs. the dog, you can kill.
mircea_popescu: and im not doing that, either.
mircea_popescu: d rather pay indiancandy's plane ticket for 500 or w/e it was
fluffypony: rithm: isn't a jury supposed to be made up of your peers? so then his jury is going to be made up of Karpeles and the "dev teams" behind MaidSafe and Ethereum?
mike_c: you pay $500,000 to have a cute little thing that loves you for 10 years, hates you for 8, and then hopefully respects you after that.
chetty: if more people really understood babies grow into teens there would not be a population problem
mike_c: they are an expense
fluffypony: either way, we've realised we're too selfish as a couple to consider children, and I doubt that will change in future
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can i send you my cv ? maybe there's a job opening somewhere, bit4x ?
mircea_popescu: which doesn't work today, as there's not much useful work kids can do.
fluffypony: well it's other concerns, mike_c - my neice has down syndrome, and I don't envy the ongoing struggle my aunt and uncle have
mircea_popescu: problem solved. much better kids, and more of them.
mircea_popescu: people wanna solve the fertility problem, the solution is simple : give parents the unchallengeable right to kill the kids up until age 16.
mike_c: doesn't say much of your analysis of their gene pool :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c because if he were to discover they aren't, he wouldn't have an out.
mircea_popescu: the fuck am i going to do now.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ow shit, guy posting on the forum just annulled half a million btc worth of paper.
asciilifeform: a fellow 'with theorems to prove' could easily put 1000 years to good use.
mircea_popescu: it starts there.
mircea_popescu: how many people with tween kids in tow are willing to consider whether the little schmucks are even worth raisingin the first place ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money. << a lesson few, even more aged, grok. intentionally i often suspect, as they're too unimaginative to find better uses for their time
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asciilifeform: oldie but goodie on subject of brahmins: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/4/26/mit-admissions-dean-resigns-admits-misleading
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, new mercantilism, they don't want consumption, all that. but omfg, 8%.
asciilifeform: the original u.s. chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: actually i should probably write on the us fiction of "social mobility"
mircea_popescu: it gives a bad impression of social mobility to the workers.
bitcoinpete: the gods would be angry
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bitcoinpete: asciilifeform i had the good fortune of going to a larger canadian uni, saving me from such poisonous offerings
mircea_popescu: you know incidentally... this is exactly how the "Stefan Gheorghiu" School of Political Science worked in the 80s romania.
chetty: <asciilifeform> bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy)//trickle down will get there
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: this (as discussed in the log) is not a thing in every u.s. uni, but only at the 'ivy' ones (most expensive, direct ladder to the lizardocracy)
asciilifeform: the official legend has always been (don't laugh...) 'we only admit the best, of course they'll have nothing but perfect marks'
bitcoinpete: "The median grade at Harvard College is an A-, and the most frequently awarded mark is an A, Dean of Undergraduate Education Jay M. Harris said on Tuesday afternoon"
mircea_popescu: well, need is relative. they could use it, sure. a good beating's cheaper.
bitcoinpete: not that they could afford it
bitcoinpete: which is truly unfortunate for the immense population of north americans who need it
mircea_popescu: basically the advent of the internet talkhole has resulted in a lot of people trying to save on talk psychiatry.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete there've been a few people inquiring here, but none actually put fat on the line.
bitcoinpete: 575 hits on dat ethereum blog so far
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field. << pimps matter in every field
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side. << still counts, of course, and a +ev strategy for it to be so. my father isn't one of the "chosen people," though he's still… frugal
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
DreadKnight: even if WoW requires pumping money into, there are quite a few players who use WoW to make money, yeah, might not be in an official way like bitcoins, but still
mircea_popescu: ima keep going "there's a lot you don't know yet" at this poor guy or what.
DreadKnight: there are a few extra creditz episodes on youtube why new mmorpg's don't make it as in they can't compete with WoW etc
DreadKnight: mmorpgs are beasts to make and they require massive amount of players, the main issue that breaks or makes mmo's is that they keep being rpg's and have a lot of competition, also, there's the peer pressure; a lot of players stick to a certain mmorpg because their friends keep playing them, getting them to switch would mean also making friends to switch at the same time
DreadKnight: found some in the comments
DreadKnight: there always will be
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well there's a lot you don't understand (yet) :p
benkay: "cyranodeb" // read as cyra-node-b, because i have bitcoins on the mind
mircea_popescu: im sure they're still butthurt.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, still having issues with zoso and other bloggers nowadays?
DreadKnight: yeah, they're still trying to cover loses
DreadKnight: dunno why they don't let that game project get buried already
DreadKnight: funny they sold daikatana for whatever in humblebundle recently
mircea_popescu: fluffypony trilema started in 2008. and since then, i've written > 1 article a day, each day, every day.
mircea_popescu: (and when they do get close to bonds, disasters a la daikatana happen. it's very important to have good supervision, key to success.)
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you won't get a bond as nobody. not even major players in the industry get bonds.
fluffypony stares at the Settlers of Catan box
DreadKnight: jurov, yeah, that's assuming less risks in the short term anyway; though in the long run, those percentages could be way more than that fixed profit cut I mentioned
DreadKnight: so she probably decided to axe the homm clone or had something to do with it
mircea_popescu: she takes all the decisions and etc
jurov: DreadKnight why would you submit to giving fixed % back even if the game profits is less than anticipated?
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asciilifeform: 'fuck you fuck me' << that was the original teledildonics product, if i recall.
DreadKnight: jurov, was more keen on giving a fixed percentage back from the investment with time, besides the investment itself ofc; I'm not really into stock market, but I guess that would be fine, I could always buy the dividends myself at some point :D
fluffypony: other way round - fuck me, fuck you
DreadKnight: seen quite a few people wanting to make a homm clone, but nobody was quite up for walking the walk
fluffypony: only when it's the morning and I haven't had coffee ;)
DreadKnight: fluffypony, so yeah, what's the link to your project? I'm making www.AncientBeast.com
DreadKnight: fluffypony, on a desktop atm, but would definitely recommend a ChromeBook to my parents and other people within a year or so
mircea_popescu: what was the link again ?
mircea_popescu: that's the flagship game of s.mg, it's a proper mmorpg.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't answer the "why" tho.
DreadKnight: evergreen games are the hardest to make and I don't want strings attached over the years; you could check out this article about such games http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DanielCook/20130726/196754/A_single_game_as_a_lifelong_hobby.php mircea_popescu
DreadKnight: the answer: I'm trying to make an evergreen type of game, with high replay value, that will also get new content and features over the years; so it's not like an oldschool published game, where you got a finished product with 40 hours of gameplay and then it gets stacked on the shelf
DreadKnight: DreadKnight:or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever <-> mircea_popescu:DreadKnight why not ?
asciilifeform: 'And the investment in higher education, even if it means finances are strapped now, leads to higher wages that boost future spending power.' << eat recycled food. it's good for the environment - and ok for you!
mike_c: this is not rocket science. they just took out a "mortgage" to pay for college. why would they want another one?
asciilifeform: chetty: the 'lies per kByte' in this turd must be some sort of record.
artifexd: I come back from Ecuador and realize that they just banned bitcoin entirely because they're going to make their own cryptocurrency. I guess my wife was right all along when she said Correa was a dumb ass.
asciilifeform: what are the chances.
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asciilifeform: mike_c: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3639679.stm and http://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2008/apr/16/woman4timesmorelikelythan and probably others
pigeons: i could just spend the money i dont have because im taking a temporary loss on more efficient hardware that doesnt exist
xmj: that's what people said after the Dotcom bubble
pigeons: my stocks went down too, but the price doesn't matter, i'll just take a temporary loss and not sell. how long is temporary?
ThickAsThieves: "Cost of mining doesn't matter to the price, miners will readjust themselves according to the current price by either taking a temporary loss and not selling or reduce mining nodes/more efficient hardware." fukn traders...
csshih: "To expedite the issuance of an EIN for a foreign entity, please call (267) 941-1099. This is not a toll-free call.
xmj: there we go ;)
csshih: lol sorry xmj ;p I'm only familiar with the online app which takes literal moments
xmj: rephrase, how long does it take them to process a fax'ed SS-4 form and issue an EIN ?
xmj: how long does the IRS need in order to process form SS-4 and issue an Employer ID number?
CheapBoy: Xmj Hi. I still don't understand what is what in the instructions about gribble
CheapBoy: I've got the hold of my GPS keys, trying to understand how to speak to gribble :)
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of these fucktarded kids realise that a) domestic animals could "learn" the bullshit they've "learned" and b) that automatically means it ain't fucking worth bothering with.
mircea_popescu: just... the ability of being actually useful is a lot rarer than the ability to down a special interest studies read list and then derp around in circles.
mircea_popescu: ironically, for all the bitching, wailing and thrashing of insignificant subhumans on reddits and forums, there is A TON of free space right at the top, and for years i've just been waiting for people to come and claim their spot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the monthly delving in the trials and tribulations of the reality-is-people folk has been most rewarding.