kuzetsa: I really should've done it ages ago, I'm often in a more than 2 dozen channels across no fewer than 4 networks most of the time
kuzetsa: benkay: thanks for the advice --- despite being busier than I'm used to, I happen to like it here more than most channels, so I finally got around to configuring my "highlight on nick" feature on my client
kuzetsa: [20:00:17] <+benkay> kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, could use some tutoring about stocks / shares / dividends as well, mainly from the perspective of getting something listed
benkay: fuq is going on there?
jurov: won't there be f.mpif-style marketmaker for f.derp?
mircea_popescu: now, this is not mandatory, in the sense that an investor can evaluate the nav through absolutely any methodology that investor likes.
mircea_popescu: as the case may be, yes.
mircea_popescu: f.a croaks. f.b now has the same 120 in cash, but equity moves : 110 shareholders, 10 provisions. leaving a nav gain of 10.
jurov: btw, mpex.ws says the volume is only 42
kuzetsa: benkay: there's too much text in here
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
benkay: kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation
kuzetsa: benkay: oh wow... that was an awfully large gap in context from the initial comment to the later one
kuzetsa tries to figure out the context
kuzetsa: did I miss anything when I wandered off other than mircea_popescu ... wait, what
mircea_popescu is really curious if benkay took the implicit "so have her lock you up" as intended or simply read the neutral statemen the other way :D
asciilifeform only vaguely recalls the relevant text
asciilifeform: nobody declined the chance to fuck ishtar though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what part of that reads like "fuck me in the ass, get lsd, fuck me down the throat, get pot"
mircea_popescu: hast loved the steed, proud in battle, and destined him for the halter, the goad and the whip.'
mircea_popescu: "Woe to him whom Ishtar had honoured! The fickle goddess treated her passing lovers cruelly, and the unhappy wretches usually paid dearly for the favours heaped on them. Animals, enslaved by love, lost their native vigour: they fell into traps laid by men or were domesticated by them. 'Thou has loved the lion, mighty in strength', says the hero Gilgamesh to Ishtar, 'and thou hast dug for him seven and seven pits! Thou
asciilifeform: they dream of escape.
mircea_popescu: same with the kid on my blog asking me why i'm not the one doing the romanian btc atm. well... because they won't do it on my terms and i'm not doing it on theirs. obviously.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money, but the chain. long chain or short chain, no matter. but, if the 20k came from a mythical machine that disgorges dough, that'd be a different matter. in my book, that's a 'fortune' - because no chain.
benkay: always figured there was something to the person and the theatre of it, but perhaps a more utilitarian approach is called for
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...count themselves as paupers << yep
benkay: mircea_popescu: who'll do the tying tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ? >> ishtar.
kuzetsa: emscripten is apparently pretty mature, and has been around for a few years (next month is 4th aniversary, they already have over 10k commits in the repo and everything!!!!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot << so far, the only effect is to make u.s. small arms collectors pay double for kalash
benkay: i've never quite grokked what goes through the tied-up human's head when they're so tied for hours
asciilifeform went to exercise and, as usual, missed all the goodstuff
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, roger; was confused at first to see "Credits: 4" on your website, as I was thinking of the "cast" thingy like in movies; but yeah, you seem to write quite a bit about everything, so I see that working more and more with time as people get more familiar with technologies and digital currencies and become less scrubs hopefully
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, the gist of it is that some random ro blogger got caught stealing a pic off a chan and presenting it as himself assfucking the girl in question.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oooh, so the google translate server farm thinger has been detected as having exceeded quota?
mircea_popescu: i dun recall what the issue was really
mircea_popescu: we used to have a dedicated bot but then it was too tame or something
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa yeah trilema lets you see a few articles each week, then you gotta pay. much to DreadKnight's fortune, he's not yet discovered how much btc amassed into that address.
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DreadKnight: what's with the nudes? mircea_popescu :D
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kuzetsa: it ended up translated to something or other about paid conent
kuzetsa: I was unable to get the entire page to play nicely with google translate
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I didn't know for sure, so I tossed the partial phrase: [unu’ care se pricepe la absolut tot] into google translate -- romanian?
mircea_popescu: well, sex either, but that's a different story.
benkay: o we do consensual defamation these days?
kuzetsa: that's not the same thing as being non-consensually defamed by a stranger
mircea_popescu: meh where was that link with the girls
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: interesting, I guess you find BDSM to be "not unpleasant" based on the past 2 datapoints
DreadKnight: let the girl like spunk.
jurov: i mean, what do you do if you feel the word "person" to be loaded and demeaning
kuzetsa: isn't spunk some sort of euphamism for semen or some other bodily fluid?
benkay: kuzetsa: do you have a particular bent for the genderqueer crowd?
kuzetsa: jurov: I don't understand your point, though suspect you might be attempting a straw-man arguemnt or somesuch, or perhaps poking fun at my use of the word "person"
kuzetsa: jurov: I've met people who self-identify some form of otherkin, and they legally still count as persons, despite a non-human self-identification... they also often accept the term "person" as being equally valid for non-human persons :P
mircea_popescu: benkay you should try russian. takes five days to figure out the genders of everything what goes in a entence.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares how people self idnetify ? all sorts of idiots self-identify as ceos of bitcoin entreprises, bitcoin investors, parts of the bitcoin community and so on and so forth ad nauseam. nobody worth two bits credits any of that self-identification crap.
benkay: my least favorite part of american english is the part where nouns aren't gendered.
jurov: you call them "human-shaped entity"?
jurov: kuzetsa so you ask everyone about their self-identification first? what if they claim not to be persons at all?
mircea_popescu: there, fixed.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> terseness is a verbosity all of its own. // speaking in riddles is a great way to get people to think for themselves.
kuzetsa: jurov: some people don't self-identify as "men" despite having the legal (and presumably, medical) status of a male person... I've had a lot of friends who don't have a strong sense of gender in their self-identification.
HeySteve: I agree, meaning is like the sculpture within the marble, you have to chip away all the extraneous stuff
kuzetsa: perhaps, though I've found that the formal terms for some of the ideas I often wish to express, are best done so in complete, gramatically correct sentences
kuzetsa: HeySteve: I prefer to err on the side of sterile and verbose where being "less wordy" might result in ambiguity or leave room for interpretation
mircea_popescu: if only all the subbie men looking for dommes knew this.
mircea_popescu: so on my box of panthers : "el tabaco te domina. dejalo".
mircea_popescu: HeySteve she doesn't say men because saying men would imply they have to be fucking men, and she doesn't want to nudge a bunch of pussies towards maturity.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I walked through what the20year was doing, his auth flow seemed correct
mircea_popescu: fluffypony likely they were using a stale otp
fluffypony: HeySteve: ping nanotube about it, you're not the first person
kuzetsa: benkay: 'cause I know well enough to know that a lot of yaoi hentai manga comics and anime are actually degrading to the idea of gay male-bodied persons being in stable, healthy relationships, and I'm a bit ashamed of my objectification-type thinking of of strangers in a pervy way which they might take offense to if they knew I was thinking that about them
mircea_popescu: benkay it also doesn't pay if the "companies" use a myspace page to "list"
fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:49+0200] <the20year> (2:08:29 PM) gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:45+0200] <the20year> ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:532f4c (and so on)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i authed just fine earlier.
fluffypony: two people reporting the same error is weird
fluffypony: The20Year I think
mircea_popescu: benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list << what's that again ?
benkay: why the sad face, kuzetsa ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: sad smiley because the homoerotic reference reminded me of it
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: hmm? oh, I was mostly just embarrased by how I got all yaoi earlier at the "no women on internet" --> "homoerotic thing to say" joke earlier
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: silly spelling for "asian", and I think it has other connotations
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yes, 100$ won't personally get me far, but it would get me further than someone located in USA
HeySteve: cool where do I see the current entrants, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight $100 is not worth the hassle anyway. no matter where you live.
kuzetsa: just don't wear the bitcoin logo on stuff, they might confuse it for baht, the local thai currency :)
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you, but there was also internet crowd funding involved in the equation when raising money
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such << she doing nudes ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, if you're referring they're relative proportion to regular job, that's kinda "notrly" indeed, but when you consider internet crowd funding, that's a different story
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron so how goes these days ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, living wages depend on geographical location overall and they vary a lot though
kuzetsa: oh, you looking at my main WP page under the kuzetsa handle?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i think you're approaching this from the wrong angle.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she might be in USA, so it's not too much there indeed
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa what, wikipedia too ? you're like the perfect enemy. no wonder you'll catch a little flak here.
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, it's all relative to location, might not be much money, but the more you go East, the more of a king you are
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kuzetsa loads that substitition into the spintex content generation engine
kuzetsa: fats_cd03: generally, this time, specifically, I probably meant the sorts of things which are often used as a basis for stereotypes or discrimination
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far <<< you know 20k a year is basically unemployment benefits. it doesn't really register as a fortune on anyone's radar. people like asciilifeform make many times that and essentially count themselves as paupers.
kuzetsa: I still do a bit of consulting / contract work now and then though, as well as some speculation with bitcoin and such
mircea_popescu: i meant the correlation with age. of course it correlates with gender and age, god help you with 16yo boyz.
cazalla: kuzetsa, retired or on disability due to feminist issues such as gender dysmorphia, anxiety or other made up shit?
mircea_popescu: if i were a wife upset over matrimonial neglect i'd do the exact same thing.
mircea_popescu: cazalla so she's a great troll. why hate the playa ?
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron women can't be as shitty as men because they're inferior and all.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, happened to me in EQ, guild leader's wife joins, she start cybering the teenage boys which undermines his authority, it all went to shit after that
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa im looking for someone to cover the countless anime forums on the web, if you're looking for work.
sexy_saffron: ah, well there is that lol
benkay: but here, we all sort of know each other fairly well.
sexy_saffron: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog
sexy_saffron: I don't think gender has much to do with influence on the internet
kuzetsa: I've totally done the fangirl thing thinking of male characters romantically / physically involved with each other <I'll spare you the fanfic I may or may not have read or written>
cazalla: i don't understand why it is homoerotic though, my understanding it's meaning is that a woman does not have the power to influence online as she does irl
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kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: no, I think the genital VS genitals rubbing thing with penises (foreskins or otherwise) is called a frottage
mircea_popescu: cazalla so why not try it out sometime then.
mircea_popescu: yea srsly. cazalla there you go, pming old ladies to call them faggots. wtf's wrong with you lmao
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ha, knowing you're female makes the whole "faggot" thing funnier :D
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a difference between rappers and rapists.
DreadKnight: HeySteve, ha, I kept telling people that, especially as advice to avoid online insults or even rape, but a lot of people insist in "I can dress the way I want, nobody should care; the raper is always the guilty one!", so I'm like "ok, good luck with that mentality"
mircea_popescu: this should totally be a goddess. and yet... my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ?
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I think that poison ivy in batman might fit the bill
mircea_popescu: possibly varying effects by the hole, too.
mircea_popescu: what if there existed a chick that'd get one high by having sex, provided it's bareback.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: old enough to be a grandmother, so no, not a girl
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, he had a few arguments against you that could stand valid, but overall it felt like he was trying to protect his "#1 blogger by traffic" crown by trying to dis the new competition
fluffypony: hah hah - HeySteve right at the beginning, and it's already classic - I wanted to do a movie that would give the people that took LSD at that time the hallucinations that you get with that drug, but without hallucinating. I did not want LSD to be taken, I wanted to fabricate the drug's effect."
sexy_saffron: I think the best philosophy is to just stay true to yourself and not care what other people think, as cliche as that sounds
mircea_popescu: on the grounds of what ?
kuzetsa: HeySteve: the "had it coming" defense about agressing on somebody verbally or otherwise, to their face or otherwise isn't one I consider to be valid
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa it gets nuts doesn't it. and it has the harshest voice model of any chan on freenode, too.
HeySteve: kuzetsa, if you dress / act a certain way, you'll inevitably draw a reaction from others
kuzetsa: FWIW, the privmsg was in-part because the channel was kinda intense and I was having trouble filtering through this many words per minute
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i step on the heads of idiots. it's what i do. the only selection criteria is how lulzy they are and if im bored.
sexy_saffron: oh ya, most people can't handle the truth
sexy_saffron: I haven't seen that but I like the dune adaptations
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron yeah but if it's not objectively drawn then might as well give up. people wil just claim hurtbutts to get out of things they don't want to hear.
fats_cd03: is there some kind of internet etiquette insisting on politeness? i didnt check that box on install.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so you poked that zoso guy on purpose to get in the spot light? marketing strategy?
sexy_saffron: there's a fine line between derision and harsh constructive criticism
fats_cd03: its not the case IRL.
mircea_popescu: seems to me one man's constructive criticism is another man's harassment and bullying.
kuzetsa: there's a difference between constructive criticism, charcter building, harassment, bullying, and joking around
kuzetsa: I wasn't intending to have the conversation publicly, but the other party whom I was trying to ask what they meant decided the privmsg contents should be copied onto a pastebin and shared with the whole channel
kuzetsa: sexy_saffron: yeah, "trash" conversation, in which my main objection is to degrading / defamatory / judgemental language being pointed at people due to clothing, hairstyle, personality, makeup, or whatever criterea is being used to target them in a dismissive manner :(
benkay: (my dog just sneezed in his sleep and narrowly avoided rolling off the couch)
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, for me she's just a tunned up bitch, just seen some of her roles earlier and she was playing the bitch role actually
mircea_popescu: people would really like it to work nevertheless, so every few years there's a new implementation
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, the "idiocy" comment was re the patreon thing. the whole thing fundamentally doesn't work.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, others find her special and hot, especially being nerdy gamer; I usually don't get why Megan Fox has many fans, but that's me
mircea_popescu: the only criterion is whether she actually is trashy, not whether her being trashy'd ruin whatever for her.
mircea_popescu: saying someone's a scammer is similarly degrading to their personhood. that's no reason not to say it.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: ...(oops, erroneously inserted a linebreak) "trash", or "trashy" is degrading to their personhood
cazalla: kuzetsa, it's the right word because i'd fuck her and then throw her away, trash, not the sort of woman i'd bring home to meet my parents
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, http://www.patreon.com/nikaharper so she got popular working for League of Legends, then she quit to write apparently
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa so how does the logical jump work, from that to "not a good way to refer" ?
kuzetsa: I personally don't feel "trash" or "trashy" is a good way to refer to persons --- trash is refuse, waste, compost, scrap, things to be recycled, or a computer metaphor for marking something as "trash" to be staged for deletion (such as putting one's unwanted spam emails in the trash)
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I linked near the quoted line, anyway seems you're too distracted to follow the conversation or reply overall, while others are debating about such women
mircea_popescu: <benkay> excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick. << for sufficiently drunk guys :D
kuzetsa: choices about outwardly expressing whatever self-image one has about ones self (and/or other reasons for dressing one way or another) just doesn't seem like a friendly thing to use as a basis for labeling someone as "trashy"
benkay: ripped jeans, mohawk, the works.
benkay: i do a pile of sales. constantly. *i* dress for others.
benkay: it's clearly not for others.
cazalla: yeah, i like it on the right girl but i describe it as trashy, nfi why kuzetsa would take offense
kuzetsa: benkay: a lot of women chose to dress how they dress, wear their hair, makeup, tatoos, clothes, etc. for themselves, not for the benefit of others
benkay: excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick.
benkay: there's nothing wrong with being trashy
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, saying "such idiocy" to whatever I say without arguments doesn't bring much to the table of conversation
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, most people only care about charisma and looks and that's why they fund her, not really interested in her writing; it's nice she does what she likes but that's different from what she's good at apparently
kuzetsa: cazalla: well I don't understand what you're saying about men fucking me (or not) because I throw them under a bus or whatever... or why you called me a faggot
cazalla: kuzetsa, i'm not sure what the problem is?
kuzetsa: [18:01:35] <cazalla> no matter how many men you throw under the bus, being a feminist is not going to lead to them fucking you
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. la << actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot ?
kuzetsa: I can have the discussion here instead if you really prefer
kuzetsa: cazalla: oh uhm... well allright then
mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu: per http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*? << that q made no sense.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> lol this chan causes its own slashdot effect now? legacy-control.com is slow and throws errors << prolly cause of the log watching ppls.
cazalla: kuzetsa PM me, thinks i'm slut shaming these women lol
benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, small brunette, big blue eyes, big tits that always make it into the shot and juggle around, cute stuff, lots of japanese-anime words, a doge
kuzetsa: not sure it's always the same person, but I jsut watched the one cazalla linked like 5 minutes ago, and the constant jumping-around shot from 20 billion camera angles per paragraph was giving me a headache
DreadKnight: cazalla, lol; there's also "hot for words", another youtube show about cleavage pretending to be educational
kuzetsa: speaking of annoying, I've never seen a "follow the coin" video before
DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, was just checking out some of the vids, she's so-so
DreadKnight: will check the asian girl you mentioned
DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such
kuzetsa: well-connected and good at marketing (social media or otherwise) is probably more to do with it than "the power of boobs"
cazalla: DreadKnight, someone like her doing bitcoin news on youtube would get views instead of that ditzy asian girl on followthecoin
kuzetsa: some non-zero entertainment value in the produced content
DreadKnight: the power of bewbs.
DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far
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kuzetsa: fine fine, yeah... it has happened, and more than just pirates have done the "bury something to keep it safe" tactic, but just because it's common enough that it's "not unheard of" doesn't make it "actually a common practice"
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing fate of the owner.
asciilifeform: like the pots of gold still sometimes found in digs of roman villas
asciilifeform: kuzetsa: buried treasure is real, but generally results from folks who bury goodies and then get killed before they can make any use of them.
chetty: thestringpuller, exactly
thestringpuller: Is this why pirates bury their gold?
chetty: assets, and it goes up % wise at some point too, not really sure where all the gates are. I just keep my head down
benkay: that hits the fund investor every year
benkay: is that a one-time-thing or more like the 0.5% of "assets under mgmt"
chetty: well not sure what the local income tax is, dont have a local job yet but 35% to take any money out of country
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. law is a 'god that died.'
benkay: what's the tax situation like in Argentina?
benkay: but the "no state taxes" thing is no small bonus.
chetty: yup, they get you on fed tax for 10 years even if you give up passport
chetty: isnt that the big gulag?
asciilifeform: the starred-and-striped big zone.
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benkay: ;;ud "the big zone"
asciilifeform is, in case anyone didn't know, still walking 'the big zone.'
chetty: good job asciilifeform, I am not so sure the gasenwagen will be a joke much longer
asciilifeform: chetty: you'll never really know until you try << well, for whatever it's worth, i did manage to actually get in the airplane (instead of a waiting gasenwagen) in april. to, i admit, a little bit of surprise. but who knows about next time.
benkay: mircea_popescu: per http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*?
jurov: did anyone mention the homeland can always ask to extradite you?
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chetty: <asciilifeform> for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here// walking over the border to Mexico is actually pretty easy
benkay: i like the finance stuff