benkay: the pre-tumblr source, boss.
mircea_popescu: benkay tumblr, linked earlier IN THE LOGS
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine << yes, he's not in the sort of situation. he's got teh dough.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve well some people keep fillies for their private entertainment.
HeySteve: hmm I thought figging was done to horses, to make them run faster in races
kuzetsa: ok, that counts a "close enough" to the safeword **unties**
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you need more kink in your life, your vocabulary is mismatched to the definitions
mircea_popescu: no, figging is when you put bits of fruit in there.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figging | figging. A peeled ginger root, shaped like a slender butt plug, inserted into the anus without lubrication of any kind. The ginger juices cause pain and extreme ...
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | pegging. anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt. charles: are ...
mircea_popescu: FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime? << hopefully wol does the better parts of dice.
kuzetsa: come to think of it, I think I saw some pegging porn on my tumblr dash in the past week :)
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you mean the name for one?
kuzetsa: yeah uhm... they're kinda designed for pushing out noisy funny shaped crotchfruit the weight of a bowling ball
mircea_popescu: moreover : nothing is painful to the sexually aroused woman.
asciilifeform wonders why the gay folks never built a 'f2m' adapter - think strap-on 'fleshlight'...
mircea_popescu: punkman you have no idea what the vagina can take.
kuzetsa: punkman: not sure what you mean about a lever O_O ... they're designed so the muscles can get a good grip and gspot stim and whatnot
mircea_popescu: but really, this is the correct approach
mircea_popescu: took a while for things to switch because the strapon seems so intuitive.
mircea_popescu: a better tech solution than the strapon really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is. there's a lumpy thing lodges inside the vagina and a proby thing going upfront.
DreadKnight: <kuzetsa> https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated <-- supposedly some nerdy gamer chick from the tattoo and color of skin :3
mircea_popescu: punkman thats intended to stimulate the clit
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of a single-ended 'strapon' anyway
kuzetsa: the strap ones are worse
kuzetsa: punkman: they're not
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, i appreciate the girl's shaved and trimmed. clearly she'd make a decent fuck toy.
decimation: radio sets are aplenty for the DoD, for golden toliet prices
DreadKnight: <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*
asciilifeform: perhaps somewhere in the bowels of meta-DHS there works an old soviet specialist who gets results.
asciilifeform: at this point, the polish, latvian, and, yes, romanian, rent-a-rack torture shoppes frequenced by usa are world famous.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: uhm... so the link should be bitcoin-assets.ws/mpex-socket or what?
kuzetsa: [15:09:42] <+mircea_popescu> kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11 << the broken link is un-helpful: <a href="http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/">socket connection</a>
asciilifeform: 'the man who was thursday'
gribble: Reading about the Liberian civil war - are they pulling my leg ...: <https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110111133852AArTqht>; Sam Bockarie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bockarie>; Into the Heart of Darkness | American Renaissance: <http://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/into-the-heart-of-darkness/>
fluffypony: punkman: yeah, you can buy the real spices from a bunch of places in the EU, and there are expats that know how to make biltong, but I think the local beef + conditions in the parts of the Western Cape that are home to speciality producers outweigh anything produced overseas
asciilifeform: if 'meta-nsa' exists in the flesh, it's probably an assemblage of one grey-haired officer and his two dozen or so apprentices, embedded deep within the scar tissue of usg and surviving in spite of, rather than due to, the overall management.
mircea_popescu: yet the only bilion dollar eu start-up to date happened outside of all that.
mircea_popescu: i mean, obviously valuable scientific research doesn't happen in the govt pen. this is hardly surprising. for that matter, europe has a lrge number of "incubators" for start-ups, even timisoara has one, london thinks it dominates this field
punkman: fluffypony, I've only tried imitations made in EU, I imagine the real thing will be even better
asciilifeform not convinced of the physical existence of meta-nsa. it's a gedanken-nsa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, between the meta-nsa nd the petrified forest you got a very dissonant thing going. how about the petrified-nsa and the meta-forest ?
fluffypony: punkman: I'll have to see how well I have to hermetically seal it to take it in my hand luggage, then I'll take a few kgs with me and just run the risk of it getting confiscated
mircea_popescu: just like their pretend poets shouldn't sour one on poetry.
DreadKnight: that reminds me of shops around saying they got natural ice-cream for sale.
fluffypony: punkman: no, but there are some export-approved biltong shops
asciilifeform: a police dog (at least, ones trained in the russian tradition) will attack if fed by a stranger.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: correct - you can't take "raw" meat out the country
benkay: mircea_popescu: i only know the modern scientists, whose sole job is to do worthless "science" on government-allocated capital. which is crimes all over on so many levels.
asciilifeform: turns out, he writes, one of the most reliable ways to get bitten by such an animal is to give it the impression of attempting to feed it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they don't let you take it OUT ?!
HeySteve: hmm biltong for bitcoin, could be the next silk road
mircea_popescu: you recall, i'm the gadfly. i said the boboo about coders too, like finance people, heresies pile one.
fluffypony: punkman: I can try, the sniffer dogs are pretty hardcore with that
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D // this needs introduction?
mircea_popescu: that's how bacon got to be the cancerous forced meme it is.
mircea_popescu: they keep doing this thing.
mircea_popescu: benkay that sounded like the sweet singer of michigan if she were emo and trying to fit in with the hip crowd.
benkay: if your coke has lumps either someone on you has dumped or you yourself is trying to bump
mircea_popescu: but anyway : i can't get to the letter, because i can't read the "official oppinions" of accountants who wrote a book called redeeming christ.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the problem with me is that my reader is configured to quickly drop. which will probably warrant the neverending hatred of the asciilifeforms of the future on account of me having skipped who knows what valuable item of some valuable fellow on the grounds that that fellow wasn't either mentally organised enough for my taste or maybe not versed in teh variety speak or who knows.
mircea_popescu: you see, the direct is "christ the redeemer", so wuldn't it be all edgy and creative to reverse it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, he's trying to be clever, in the manner of an accountant
fluffypony: that's the Sean King thing? I quite enjoyed his letter, though, I thought he put things in a way that was nicely digestible to the non-technical types
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves where do you find them!
mircea_popescu: "Here Are My Official Comments on the" dude who the fuck is this guy lol. someone made counterfeit comments on his behalf ?
DreadKnight: haven't seen the star trek with female captain yet though
DreadKnight: forgot the term, native african? hmm
asciilifeform: decimation: total cost of all the widgets ~= 1k usd, and that was ages ago
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor
decimation: asciilifeform yeah I think that's the most economic way to get a big screen
mircea_popescu: (actually it's one who enjoys words formally, but nevertheless)
asciilifeform: decimation: if you buy a gizmo like this, get the roll screen, walls aren't nearly as reflective.
benkay: not even the reamed girls?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shart | shart. a small, unintended defecation that occurs when one relaxes the anal sphincter to fart (blend of "shit" and "fart"). I sharted at the party last night and
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, which guy from star trek, the borg? xD
decimation: do you use a screen on the wall or painted white wall?
mircea_popescu: cause to make it look like the cinema screen
decimation: I miss my trinitron with its shadow-bars; the LCDs that replaced it just don't have the same dynamic range
mircea_popescu: yest took girl to be nude among hundreds of people for the first time in her life,
mircea_popescu: and they're probably being reasonable men and women, doing finance and real estate.
mircea_popescu: decimation you know they're not our.
asciilifeform: a few months later, they stopped answering phone. the postdocs who handled the run - desaparecido.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
DreadKnight: even the PC was close to being dismissed as crap because of lack of vision from the business man taking a look at it
DreadKnight: it's all business and some luck; a lot of cool stuff is kept hidden just because it's not for the average joe
DreadKnight: a lot of inventions are promoted thanks to their monetization potential, so if there's demand and it sells, it's a good invention
asciilifeform was acquainted with one such '1%' - al schwartz. who has an eminently testable hypothesis re: parity violation, and spent a decade (& counting) trying to score 2 weeks on an eotvos rotor balance. while the charlatans build their $b colliders.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight nasa just got cut off the pipe, actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, what 99% of a class believes about the field is uninteresting by the definition of the 99%.
asciilifeform: the harm of the mega-machines is not the wasted money, but that nearly every student of physics now believes that the field is inescapably 'about' the machines
mircea_popescu: wait, your theory is that the 5-6bn spent to build the lhc could have been better employed building what alternative item ?
mircea_popescu: who cares about them ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not everyone. just the grant-eaters.
asciilifeform: 'complexity is irreducible now, the only possible kind of man is now the stamp collector'
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time << the motto of the 20th c. intellectual impostor class, in a nutshell.
midnightmagic: IMO, in a brand-new field, those singular talents can exist. Once the primary breakthroughs are finished, it requires teams and long-term hard work to push it forward. IMHO anyway. me != physicist.
DreadKnight: einstein might have been fake, his wife might have been the smart one
mircea_popescu: or who exactly, fermi ? pauli ? the germanz ?
midnightmagic: "no new more fundamental particles as of X TeV in the LHC"
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, midnightmagic: not insisting that the particle hijinx have no possible applications, in a far future. just that these applications will require a resurrection of the caliber of men we had 1800-1900.
midnightmagic: the physics is new, even if it's a negative result
midnightmagic: the physics is not 1940s or prior. i have a friend whose PhD was literally pushing the boundaries of particle physics using results obtained from LHC
DreadKnight: theoretical physics might seem to have no application atm, but that's the whole point, debating and eventually (hopefully) allowing to grasp more complex concepts and allow for further technological improvements, like being able to go through worm holes and such
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, 1940 is not pre-qm.
mircea_popescu: well if you go at it that way then everything's ancient greek atomism.
asciilifeform: this is not, as the particle smashers tell us, an accident.
asciilifeform: notice how every piece of actual 'practical' machinery we have that makes use of 'modern' physics, the physics in question is 1940s or prior ?
asciilifeform: the string folks explicitly renounced testability of hypothesis! if that isn't an open declaration of charlatanry, what is ?
mircea_popescu: obviously a large number of people who like to identify as physicists are in the situation of people who like to identify as rockstars.
DreadKnight: bitcoin is theoretically an energy allowing to polymorph sheeps into cars and so on, to facilitate exchanges and needs
mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing there's a large number of would-be followers in any race, who to the acute observer look more like they're going through the motions
asciilifeform: cern, other 'strong force' shenanigans are a good example of 'chinese' scholastiwank. the people involved - entirely uninterested in systematization of knowledge, much less practical use
mircea_popescu: so then ? you dispute it actually works as described ?
asciilifeform: e.g, herr einstein: a junkyard dog, who took credit for the genuinely interesting late 19th. c. work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know these impostors knew exactly how to build a cern and did.
asciilifeform not a cultist of the engineer, but of folks like j.c. maxwell, who knew exactly how to build a radio - and didn't.
asciilifeform sees 20th c. physicists as largely imposters, who 'the good parts - not original, the original parts - not good'
mircea_popescu: so let's take the baby home : real programmers think in terms of functions and macros,
mircea_popescu: i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i disagree. see the short cathode tv.
DreadKnight: otherwise he'll have a hard time explaining things to people
mircea_popescu: or else with the graph of that concept and its relations.
mircea_popescu: but any philosopher worth his salt will interact not with a "concept" but with either the graph of that concept's history in the mind of man,
mircea_popescu: and i'll venture to say that pretty much all the good philosophers similarly don't think in "concepts", whatever that is, but in a sort of equivalent of the wavefununction, except it has two major irreducible statements. one's systematic the other historical.
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, mircea_popescu: the physics that yields interesting machinery, vs. 20th.c navel gazing, was done by folks who 'thought in objects' more often than not.
asciilifeform: 'Mathematicians think in symbols, physicists in objects, philosophers in concepts, geometers in images, jurists in constructs, logicians in operators, writers in impressions, and idiots in words.'
DreadKnight: "rich" seems to be more of a state of mind; kinda like you're saying on your blog "pay up or this could wither and die" on your blog mircea_popescu, even though that's not the case, but I like the lesson you're teaching
DreadKnight: some people would get poor in no time anyway, as they originally were
asciilifeform: 'For social mobility to work, it needs to be a two-way highway, with a large number of pre-rich and an almost as large one of post-rich.' -- from the taleb link
DreadKnight: HeySteve, squishy units that either do a lot of damage or are meant for support and really tanky units that are meant to protect others and take damage
DreadKnight: HeySteve, so basically you have the whole moba type of game team under your own management instead of having to rely on random idiots and hope they're doing the right thing;
kakobrekla: dont change the car when it only needs gas.
the20year1: webirc will be the next one i try
DreadKnight: HeySteve, keep in mind higher level units cost way more, there's a cost formula
DreadKnight: HeySteve, there's setting for limiting number of units; they're pretty big compared to HoMM games anyway; combat field gets more crowded easier, especially in 2vs2
mircea_popescu: the20year1 tried via webirc ?
chetty: persons is often, detectably, the waiter.(Taleb)
HeySteve: DreadKnight, wasn't aware of that tradeoff, makes sense. that's the kind of mechanic I was suggesting, like you could use a lot of powerful unit abilities or summon a lot of creatures, but not both as a strategy
fluffypony: so there's no time limit for you
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kakobrekla: nagzter get into the wot?
kakobrekla: <the20year1> now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice? < when you do it over pm, no, given you are authed.
DreadKnight: HeySteve, well, no mana as there is no magic; there's plasma to protect Dark Priest (summoner) and also make units (so more / better units = less protection, it's a tradeoff); each unit has it's own energy stat, abilities require energy, there's also meditation to replenish that, but if an unit gets damaged in a round above a treshold (more than endurance stat), then the unit gets no regen it's next turn (regrowth for health and m
the20year1: because I tried it via pigin IRC and IRCCloud and neither worked
HeySteve: the20year1 I didn't, it just went away today. yesterday I could auth with alt gribble. didn't try restarting browser to wipe any saved data tho
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight. I had a thought about the game, would giving the creatures and "summoner" a single manapool work?
mircea_popescu: the20year1 odd. well mebbe kakobrekla finds something.
the20year1: and that's where I was getting that error (the you must be voiced to do this command) or whatever
mircea_popescu: cool so then do !up once you're id'd with gribble
DreadKnight: nagzter, definitely go for it with your husband for the other coin if you haven't picked a name xD
mircea_popescu: the20year1 try !s hey
the20year1: what assbot commands are there?
DreadKnight: seems that the original guy who tried failed
mircea_popescu: can you get it to respond to any other command in pm ?
mircea_popescu: the20year1 that's so bizarre tho, you must be doing something out there. it literally is just pm assbot.
mircea_popescu: nagzter what, you made them ?
nagzter: (and the slick graphics ahem)
nagzter: People do seem to like the silly name
the20year1: Well, that was the original problem, nanotube helped me get past that , the problem now lies with /query (pm) to assbot to self-up
DreadKnight: nagzter, would be funny if the joke coin would take off and not the "real" one, twitter scenario
mircea_popescu: from what i gather, your problem was that you were using an old, cached and therefore expred otp ?
mircea_popescu: !up the20year1
nagzter: 11:02 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
mircea_popescu: the official joke coin of b-a is, ofcourse, altcoin.
nagzter: the graphics are slick if I do say so myself!
nagzter: he's working on a "real" coin and needed the practice
mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
chetty: the chan of many talents
nagzter: do all the channels have a !s command?
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah check that out, the only asshole channel in bitcoin is where all the women are. clearly antontwerpulous is right, everyone else needs to put more trigger warnings and be careful what they say.
chetty: the womins is taking over, hurrah
nagzter: funny I am heritage wise, my grandfather was 100% Russian Jew
nagzter: I always assumed the "nag" part gave it away
asciilifeform: china << they're experimenting with poison, from purely pragmatic considerations (can sell organs)
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> ok. I know they shoot people in China << notrly, they have a van arrangement.
mircea_popescu: omfg i woke up with an article! and you people already wrote another here! I WILL NEVER CATCH UP NAO
asciilifeform: for instance, a squad of jailers watches over the condemned for weeks, months, years - to ensure that he doesn't suicide and cheat the executioner - and the court - of their spectacle
asciilifeform: there are other interestingly perverse aspects of how prisoners are kept in usa prior to execution
asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.
HeySteve: that's a bit rough by comparison to other methods
HeySteve: "Stoning remains a legal form of judicial punishment in Iraq, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Northern Nigeria, Aceh in Indonesia, Brunei, and Pakistan;"
asciilifeform: china follows the russian tradition
HeySteve: ok. I know they shoot people in China, not sure billing the families for the bullet is an urban legend
HeySteve: asciilifeform, did the Russians have firing squad?
asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane << Depends on the animal and its size.
HeySteve: when the vet injected my poor old cat, she went quickly and quietly
HeySteve: hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> heroin od is also uncivilized ? << Well, there's the part in there where asphyxiation tends to be the cause of death. Really an aesthetic problem.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: <+bitcoinpete> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years /// David Bazan is probably a top 3 artist for me
asciilifeform vaguely recalls reading a short story on alt.sex.somethingorother years ago, where in 'the dark future (TM)' the condemned are injected with an alien 'fireworm' that eats them alive for weeks at a time. but everyone is told that they were killed quickly and 'humanely' - and somehow this is supposed to be a greater punishment
assbot: $46k Spent on Bitcoin Mining Hardware: The Final Reckoning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cynide abandons the pretense of greater civilization by being explicitly a poison. This pretense only holds if it is a medical looking even. Also... cyanide is probably onjectionable to the executioner as it presents a risk to them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the traditional three drug cocktail is two for comfort and once those set in a metric fuckton of KCl to rapidly induce electrical heart and brain death
asciilifeform: and if poison is supposed to be 'humane' and this is a thing - there are poisons that knock victim out in seconds
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TO have the pretense of greater civilization
BingoBoingo: <benkay> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/23/3463562/arizonas-execution-botched/ << Saw this. Shame the least expensive ingredient is the one people seem to be skipping.
jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak"
pigeons: well, the ipo lets them cash out their crap legally, i dont think they would want to jeopardize that, they will make enough of a killing on an ipo
punkman: I'd expect insiders might be keen to buy DERPs when on the verge of IPO
pigeons: so that is a counterpoint, if there was sufficent demand, someone likely would run a passthrough
fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary
pigeons: that you had to make up the next month
punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps.
pigeons: the bankroll was not included as an asset for purposes of the share ownership. share ownership only gave you a claim to earnings
pigeons: i dont know how you are determining "implicit NAV" the value was based on dividends paid from earnings from bets, which greatly fluctuated
pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that
FabianB: another interesting point you say is: you think everyone on mpex is trading on the same side; no-one is on the other, sinc e the other side wouldn't use mpex
thestringpuller: if BTC market cap grows (in terms of fiat) DERPS stay the same, and the implicity valuation rises.
jurov: others wait till nsa ships
FabianB: jurov: but why buy into s.nsa at IPO then, time horizon was always unknown ?
punkman: jurov, that is a problem for all the D series, indeed
jurov: plus, like the s.nsa example, it may be impossible to get out
jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side
jurov: on bitbet, if i place 10btc on Yes and advertise the bet, there is a chance someone props up the other side
FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no
jurov: and on bitbet, you can always support either side
FabianB: maybe it's more like bitbet bets (the derps)
jurov: i can buy d.* or f.derp and then wait for months for positive or negative hype to cause someone to buy my shares at better price
jurov: while there are neither dividends nor MMing to ensure price follows NAV with some liquidity...