DreadKnight: "scamcoin" wonder if there would be people actually buying such a coin xD
mircea_popescu: then as that sunk moved on to bizarre shilling of quantum computing and assorting other scams
kakobrekla: yeah find the next sucker.
RebeccaBitcoin: I think there is a good chance I'll be able to flip it, like most scamcoins
decimation: ascii it seems this scheme is designed to recruit chumps to run the chumpatron
RebeccaBitcoin: I did, sadly before I saw mircea's 5000 ether offer
RebeccaBitcoin: the true brains behind ethereum is whoever conned people into handing over 7000 bitcoin
asciilifeform: and who the hell is vitalik?
kakobrekla: who is the troll?
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin one'd think people hiring web designers are into publicity rather than privacy.
DreadKnight: RebeccaBitcoin, it's not the issue if you value that crap, the issue is you don't get clients if you don't have one, unless in a few cases
mircea_popescu: <decimation> do you find the kyriarchy oppressive? << should porolly be #b-a motto
decimation: do you find the kyriarchy oppressive?
BingoBoingo: Well, you'd assume the web design portfilo be online...
cazalla: or another transgender on disability
DreadKnight: a dude blowing another dude? gay
RebeccaBitcoin: Micky D's. I started on the fry station, but after about 10 years Ronald promoted me to drive thru.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight not having a gf is considered the most nerdiest thing.
DreadKnight: isn't cli considered one of the most nerdiest things? besides compiling and editing config files...
gribble: I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; Iunie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/06>; They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>
mircea_popescu: margaret thatcher got alzheimers, golda meir won the washington state beauty pageant
mircea_popescu: and also, noted the 15 years ago. you don't get to make yourself under 30 again that easily!
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: I was hoping IRC wasn't going to be as nerdy as it was 10 years ago. Apparently I'm wrong. << how the fuck is this place nerdy
RebeccaBitcoin: to the cuni.cz thing
DreadKnight: X marks the spot.
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
RebeccaBitcoin: And to quote myself from earlier: "I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu "
RebeccaBitcoin: I made a GPG key, typed the thing, didn't work
RebeccaBitcoin: The instructions mention nothing about putting anything on a server
RebeccaBitcoin: where do I put it on the server?
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin if you just put it on the server it may take a coupla hours to propagate.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, erm ok, but I'm trying to learn all the strings besides talking the talk
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
gribble: Error: 'E431' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
assbot: Incademy.com : How the stock market works : Offers by tender, and other methods of admission
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is MPEx avoiding these methods to simplify things and going for predetermined price all the time? http://www.incademy.com/courses/How-the-stock-market-works/Offers-by-tender,-and-other-methods-of-admission/3/1014/10002
RebeccaBitcoin: now I"m doing the GPG thing
dub: seems to be question of the week
gribble: Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
RebeccaBitcoin: I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
kakobrekla: gotta ask the question right.
assbot: teaching - Where to buy premium white chalk in the U.S., like they have at RIMS? - MathOverflow
benkay: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/26267/where-to-buy-premium-white-chalk-in-the-u-s-like-they-have-at-rims/26274#26274
benkay: at least it doesn't have the ?? ??? egg that many 8-ball bots implement
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
RebeccaBitcoin: When are we going to the moon
benkay: the pimply guy who spreads quantum FUD? real cool.
RebeccaBitcoin: like omg Ethereum is so cool... and Vitalik is way cooler than Satoshi
benkay: can't really be done in these parts
RebeccaBitcoin: in the meantime, feel free to keep authorizing me until I say something too offensive lol
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
gribble: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; Gribble - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble>
TheNewDeal: WOL runs on atc at the moment, doesn't it?
TheNewDeal: there's some definitely strong Altcoin believers in here, no?
kakobrekla: RebeccaBitcoin do yourself a favor , get in the wot.
assbot: Ethereum sale has begun - Page 2 - Canada's Bitcoin Community
RebeccaBitcoin: I on the other hand agree with Pete, and have also been called out on that forum for critisizing
RebeccaBitcoin: haha no, I like his blog. He seems to have pissed off the owner of coinforum who's accusing him of making false accusations against Ethereum.
benkay: welcome, you've found the hotbed of cryptojihadi dissent
benkay: TheNewDeal: pardon?
TheNewDeal: well, he's not the only one
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-regional/missouri/big-corn-crop-little-profit-in-southeast-missouri/article_bfbeedbe-3beb-548f-8cdf-b2580a401f83.html
assbot: the Cyprian defence
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Fostering a disciplined and inquisitive mind is the greatest gift you can bestow upon your children, which explains why almost no one gets it right." // shit keeps me up at night, man. just last night i was diagramming out a curriculum in natural philosophy.
benkay: "Funerals were initially a major source of transmission. "Relatives sometimes fall, cry on the dead body, wash the body," says Temba Morris, who runs a government health clinic in a remote village of roughly 3,000 people near the epicenter of the Sierra Leone outbreak."
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! << esp. when said water in fact contains no baby, but only some quantity of jizm and menstrually jettisoned eggs
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science << but it's so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! i've been guilty of this too benkay
dub: ahh the forum
DreadKnight: he's a bit full of crap even in the video, people jaw dropping at his sight lmao
bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: ya i watched the show as a kid. wasn't terrible or scarring. so better than what's on today i guess
DreadKnight: oh, project seems for a good cause; seen a lot of other celebrities crowd fund retarded, random or selfish crap
DreadKnight: bitcoinpete, sounds a bit gay hmm, I'm afraid; he showed up a bit in Big Bang Theory, impersonating himself as a washed up actor overall
bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor << he's coming back to tv soon. as the reading rainbow guy!
asciilifeform: incidentally, this scene could very well be the genuine article. post-'90s russian police routinely search fleshwallets.
decimation: as moldbug points out, most folks want to be published in the 'grey lady'
asciilifeform: the 'lead nobel prize'
asciilifeform: vs. fields where the ultimate professional accolade is a silenced bullet
decimation: well, I was just counting uniformed police + their dogs
mircea_popescu: decimation fun fact : the deadliest strike in the history of the us bodycount ~= the claimed le bodycount for 2012, in that source of yours.
assbot: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: but the only two actually over 10 btc bets are also more like 96-97%
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sundays aren't what they used to be anymore.
FabianB: mircea_popescu: only if that's more than the fees
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i thought i could do both at the same time but… not even close. sundays are usually lighter
mircea_popescu: FabianB well thatr's only a point if the odds aren't right. if they're right, doubling the 99% side will yield a doubling of the 1% side.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i had the same problem earlier today
FabianB: mircea_popescu: point wasn't that the odds might not be right, it was that it might make no sense to put even more in the 99% side
asciilifeform: ^ 'barrier brigade of nkvd preparing to 'support' soviet fighters - with machine gun blast in the back.'
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of posts like the von flondor one. people tend to stop and consider their situation.
decimation: it's true that the dying empire thing isn't such a great deal anymore
DreadKnight: Hollywood makes a lot of movies encouraging death in the line of work; patriotism / heroism / martyr bs propaganda / brainwashing
decimation: well, considering that in practice nearly everything can be construed as illegal in the us, that's probably true
mircea_popescu: in fact, a us agent has better chances of being shot on the job than someone breaking a us law of being sent to jail.
decimation: I don't think the usg hides this stuff either, it just gets pushed into statistics that no one reads. The usg has a compulsion to account for itself (in its own crazy way)
asciilifeform: bankers get nailgunned by their own заградотряд.
mircea_popescu: in short : it's dangerous fucking work, working for the dying empire.
chetty: how about how many bankers, that one is getting interesting. Being a banker is not healthy these days
decimation: I guess I don't see it, I don't think us gov't agents are dying that often, why bother killing them anyway?
asciilifeform: what would become of the folks in uniform who insist on following the 'no tp' order to the letter?
mircea_popescu: obviously at this point you're addressing the wrong market :D
decimation: well, according to that site 78 officers were killed by gunfire across the entire US in 2012-2013
asciilifeform: imagine usa were to ban... toilet paper. who would actually profit from the ban being adequately enforced? no one. from lackluster enforcement at every level? everyone.
mircea_popescu: from what people have been saying here, they expect it to be a year.
mircea_popescu: jurov incidentally, this reminds me : supposedly people plunked down 5k btc to be locked away in an ethereum address for at least six months, if not more
asciilifeform: the reason why aztlan hypothesis strikes me as weak, is that it is not clear that the mexicans are one-sidedly thrusting unsolicited cock across the border
mircea_popescu: no idea, haven't read the bet.
mircea_popescu: i think she has to actually be in the race
mircea_popescu: FabianB it is possible this is a reflection of the actual odds.
asciilifeform: as i understand, the customs inspectors who understand that certain trucks are not to be fucked with, certain hours they should take a smoke break and look away, etc. - are still alive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what matters is relative security. who can prevent whom from messing with their shit.
asciilifeform: i.e. were they plugged because they insisted on following the 'letter of the law' re: their duties, with complicity of their own brass
asciilifeform: now, doesn't it matter whether these corpses became corpses in spite or - or because of - own management?
dub: the good ole' line of dooty
mircea_popescu: that's the small part.
mircea_popescu: but do this, for your own amusement. compile the list of dead us agents in arizona, new mexico, something, during one year.
asciilifeform: just keep it off the front page.
asciilifeform: easy to hide just about any fact from the porcine 'masses'
mircea_popescu: what is the practical difference ?
decimation: chetty: there's a difference between the media trumpeting a fact and the fact being hidden
mircea_popescu: now, how many people did cia lose there ? "presumably someone misses them"... well... do you ?
asciilifeform: if i recall, last words were 'enemy is at the gates. they've opened fire, oh shi....'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the casualties was a major part of something awful (ie, where teh libertard community resides. it's a sort of anti-bitcoin, that thing)
mircea_popescu: and that was an embassy. not "accidental death" walking down the street.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall his tale, that one of the casualties was on irc, chronicling his last hours
mircea_popescu: obviously their mom knows. so what if she does ?
chetty: decimation, I used to think that, but they dont need to keep secrets, just keep waving flags at more important stuff
decimation: someone, somewhere misses the deceased, presumably
asciilifeform pictures the 'black swan' gotcha butthurt when home desktop narcosynthesis makes the whole subject academic.
decimation: I'm not sure that usg is capable of keeping the deaths of its employees secret
mircea_popescu: decimation here's a thought : if the number of us agents executed was small, you'd see a lot of publicity over the cases. the reason you don't hear a peep about it is that..
chetty: <mircea_popescu> so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...//by then it wont matter
HeySteve: orlov has a lot to say about the failure of imperial USA, he's not the only one to predict balkanization
decimation: if the power of usg wanes to that degree, I think you will see the power return to the localities/states
mircea_popescu: it might as well have happened. whatever "the populace" did
assbot: Public Enemy - By The Time I Get To Arizona - YouTube
mircea_popescu: so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...
chetty: I thought they were in Chicago
mircea_popescu: there's no particular reason the command center of that continent has to be in the far away east coast.
dub: but a spring in the sense of populace uprising, nah
asciilifeform: ru, eg, sy, ua - got 'sprung.' cn nipped its 'spring' in the bud, which is why we still have the 'middle kingdom' to kick around.
dub: there won't be one
asciilifeform: the american 'spring' will be a sight to behold.
asciilifeform: dub: 'springs' are the time-honoured american method for having a country nailgun itself in the head.
chetty: much of the world is already way too dependant on internet, heck its even in soda vending machines now
mircea_popescu: like the house of many bans meat.
mircea_popescu: there's two conflated points here. you can ban "consumer" grade shit any time. this is fine but irrelevant. bitcoin is not consumer stuff.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, radio waves melting the ice or what? xD
mircea_popescu: <dub> remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales << in the sense it's banned in antarctica, sure.
DreadKnight: dub, communism is not freedom; china made own linux distro and imposed it, for a fee, in internet-caffee places and other businesses, kicking microsoft in the nuts and finally taking over
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, maybe, but at least something got out about the event instead of total darkness
xmj_: dub is missing the point
chetty: exactly like that, and stalin didnt send anyone to gulags (oh oops actually there wasnt anyone named stalin to do that)
DreadKnight: college students had a protest, they were shot by government / military
asciilifeform wasn't suggesting that bans 'work', but disputing that ltc is any kind of pill against whatever effect a hypothetical ban might have.
chetty: if its against the law to rain before sundown then it cannot happen and if you say it did you are guilty of something
dub: remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales
DreadKnight: hah, there are a lot of re-branded pharmaceutical drugs nowadays, basically the same thing as aspiring or other common stuff, just at way higher prices
xmj_: there's a way around every law; loopholes are built-in by default anyway.
asciilifeform: (the way usa used to ban drugs by name, but now includes a kind of 'regexp' matcher of chemical structure)
mircea_popescu: chetty moar like, the moon.
DreadKnight: punkman, I'm aware, good point as well :) I guess it's were all the banks and money related problems started appearing... and inflation!
FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ? <-- no, just saw a few
chetty: ban bitcoin? might as well try to ban the internet
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah good point, but I see ltc as the "next missile in line to fire", just in case
xmj_: someone banning bitcoin would be the best thing ever, as it's much like a hydra.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely "more fish in the pond". that's the easy part. "more swimming fishes, that are doing fine in spite of a laundry list of <deffects> you may imagine"
DreadKnight: so banning digital currencies altogether would be hypocritical
DreadKnight: yeah, in case btc gets banned, you got more fish in the pond; so either ban "digital currencies" but fiat money kinda got converted to digital with credit cards
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ltc is primarily the politician's captive daughter re "we'll ban bitcoin!"
benkay: improvement on the scale of bitcoin over dollars
benkay: <DreadKnight> some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements // if the improvement isn't plain as the nose on my kike face it and everyone behind it are going to get glassed
DreadKnight: it's good to have ltc around, just like there's both gold and silver
DreadKnight: they're kinda like branches of software, so a bit of experimentation is good to be done in "test areas" rather than on the popular blockchain everybody is using
DreadKnight: some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: other than (arguably) 'litecoin' - which?
DreadKnight: altcoins are kinda like linux distros nowadays, a lot of people making yet another one for no apparent reason (trying to get rich with not much work), just to change the name and such, hoping they might get lucky
DreadKnight: benkay, took my quite a bit to remember that MPEx thing and figure out what part of it names stand for, still not sure about the full name; it's an acronym; anyway, stock related stuff is usually named using acronyms and rather obscure compared to regular brands
benkay: what's the MPEx brand and how does it make or break MPEx?
benkay: i suppose if they're undifferentiable from other chicom-originating crap, DreadKnight. otherwise, there's value provided that a brand has nothing to do with.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: 46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning << that'd have been a much better post if it actually included numbers. you know, paid this, then, made back this much so far etc.
DreadKnight: there's a lot of psychology in branding, can even make or break the products themselves
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no, mainly you're turrning yourself into a problem because you keep beating that dead horse discussion while we're talking finance, which is the overriding topic here.
mircea_popescu: jurov you mean the ~20 btc that sold for 21ish average and the book is pretty much back ?
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, me too, it tans the fruit and ties it to hardware and evil
kuzetsa: then again, I'm not "most peolpe"
benkay: jurov et al a huge issue in btc finance right now is the lack of long term plays and the fixation on returns! now!
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: when I hear "apple" I think of the company and feel a little sick
DreadKnight: so it's not really my own problem, is something related to our design and the masses
DreadKnight: benkay, most people when they hear "apple" get a little more spit in their mouth, it's how psychology works, you have involuntary reflexes which you can't control properly
benkay: finance must create incentives for long-term investment, otherwise it's not really useful.
mircea_popescu: but this is a sidepoint anyway, im more interested in the f.* impossible to liquidate thing
mircea_popescu: jurov so it'd take months to sell for more than the average ? this is expected no ?
benkay: the world is full of associations. policing your brain is your own problem, imho.
DreadKnight: benkay, so when you talk about common stuff like food you think about the less known altcoin or hardware company and the other way around, which is evil
mircea_popescu: obviously the price and time correlate, i'd think
DreadKnight: benkay, bacon is food, apple is food, naming software or hardware after food is somewhat applying psychological manipulation, think about the Pavlov's dog
mircea_popescu: it is sinful to at the same time know and not have announced.
mircea_popescu: if yu don't know, then you don't announce.
mircea_popescu: the way market works is that if you know what you want to do, you announce it.
jurov: like i wrote on s.nsa example, no one will put bids till there's some news
mircea_popescu: jurov punkman i don't follow the logic here. explain to me like i was 5 ?
benkay: DreadKnight: i have no idea where you're getting food. oh - bacon? where's the AAPL connection?
mircea_popescu: jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak" << how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: basically, if it's not one of the things they misrepresent, it looks like a pig w/o a lipstick.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary << hardly, havelol lists 50% and more directly arbitrageable gaps all the time.
mircea_popescu: glbse idiots didn't move to mpex after i ruined the various "mining" crap. but they DID stop doing it on glbse, and that was that.
mircea_popescu: punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps. << this is exactly it.
mircea_popescu: i got tons of commends and invitations to discuss and socially groom on the topic of eth. meanwhile, the scammers cycled 5k btc or w/e, at 2k, and i got exactly 0 btc at 5k.
DreadKnight: benkay, I quoted you, so don't ask me what you meant,lol I just considered you meant to kill them (nuke them) xD
mircea_popescu: pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that << there' sa lot of truth to this : there IS NO OTHER SIDE. it's just words on the web.
mircea_popescu: whether it will or whether it wont fundamentally hinges on whether the vc economy is as relevant for bitcoin as mpoe is. which is a point i can't hardly help i dont think
mircea_popescu: jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side << i shouldn't be the only person in that market. provided anyone gives a shit about the derps themselves or their general market, enough to actually spend the usd they CLAIM to have received in investment, then that market should easily compete with s.mpoe.
mircea_popescu: and has an adequate risk profile. (note that s.dice DID NOT have an adequate risk profile, and the dividends came at considerable capital risk. that the bitcoin retail investor is clueless enough to shove that under the rug makes little difference)
mircea_popescu: jurov from what i gather you're looking for a product marketable to the retail investor. that'd likely be mpif. it makes about 1% or so.
mircea_popescu: FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ?
benkay: <DreadKnight> <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*