mthreat: nope.. just saw it on the news
jurov: and it can change substantially in the course of month, maybe it should be published more often
mircea_popescu: jurov what's the concern, that a bid gets hit just as you post ?
mircea_popescu: they should just ship that county overseas.
mike_c: looks like the localbitcoins florida case?
godovo: they also used #bitcoin-otc logs
mircea_popescu: jurov this could work. you publish the list once a month on your blog, as mike describes, then i verify the totals.
mike_c: that way you can verify your account_id is on the list without it being public
mike_c: depositor insurance: the insurer publishes a list like this: coinbr insured accounts - sha256(act_id): amount, sha256(act_id): amount
godovo: fluffypony just as important as the dude part
unseen: mike_c seems to have a different quality than anything else in the bitcoin sphere. kinda like it.
mircea_popescu: how the heck does one structure a depositor insurance thing in btc ;/
unseen: mike_c any company may run off with your BTC. Even if they looked legit for some time.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user unseen to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=unseen&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
unseen: mike_c counter-party risk. I like the PGP signed order system.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: how do you combat ratings trolls? <<< why would you ? and ever read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
mircea_popescu: but essentially, the barriers are there to help you not to hinder you. like railings on mountain roads.
mike_c: unseen: if you think mpex is going to continue to be relevant and an account would be useful to you, then it's not expensive.
mircea_popescu: the state is just a wrapper.
mircea_popescu: much like irl sovereignity is invested in the king, personally.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "a business account". businesses exist as declarations from people in the wot. sovereignity in business is invested with the principals, the business is just a wrapper.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really << because children, essentially.
mircea_popescu: unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck << well it looked funny cycling it 5k at a time.
mircea_popescu: fucking trolls these people. Subject: IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION required ; Body : [blablabla] You have a 15 day window from the time of the original registration to verify the email address.
mircea_popescu: unseen well you can do whatever you want, but imagine i wrote to the new york times to ask them to revalue their subscripton costs because the "value" of the dolar in argentine pesos has changed.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how many people call you a faggot in the averagde week ?
fluffypony: if the fee was set in USD but BTC was accepted as payment it would fluctuate (in BTC terms), but if it's set in BTC it stays in BTC
unseen: so it is still 30BTC to join MPEX? used to be the same when BTC value was a lower?
mircea_popescu: and they'll all laugh and you'll feel really bad.
mircea_popescu: and i'll be like... hey this here is ben vulpes, master of the vulpes. and this is pete d from canada
mike_c: bingo is the bash master. he must have hotkeys.
fluffypony: but I appreciate the offer
kakobrekla: whats with all the name switching
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user pete_dushenski: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=pete_dushenski | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pete_dushenski | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "investing" on unsigned contracts, the benefits.
mircea_popescu: trixisowned: they removed this line <<< somehow one's unsurprised.
mike_c: (hello to my children from the past)
mircea_popescu: the horror of the interwebs you know, imagine you're 40, just got divorced, and while going through some old websites find a convo where your parents decided your name 2 years prior to birth in an irc chat.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i wouldn't buy the access FROM YOU.
mircea_popescu: it's like the best girl name anyway, but like this... omfg, i'll pay.
kakobrekla: you still think there is a risk of that eh
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
mircea_popescu: you never want to take away consumer fucktard's excuse. he gets pannicky and all the injured vanity yields rage.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because consumer fucktard would really rather wait than do anything else
mircea_popescu: totally their occuring in separate geographic locations has ntohing to do with the fact that well, so did myths, pre-internet.
mircea_popescu: hm is 219 the most populos b-a ever been ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky" << srsly. most shit in spanish sounds poetic.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier << i like the girl, she's got word propriety. this is a rare skill, as it requires a lot more in depth knowledge than your average internet tard can possibly muster.
mircea_popescu: they make sure it doesn't change while it obviously does.
mircea_popescu: punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't? << you're new, right ?
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1mn worth of their 10mn total, then they issue another 90 and make it senior, then they ipo for 115mn
mircea_popescu: at the time of payment.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/
mike_c: "Should BitPay make dilutive issuances after June 19, 2014, D.BPAY will be diluted proportionally." << these terms usually aren't public. how are you going to orchestrate this?
los_pantalones: The Facebook URL was also pretty convincing – why would someone be stating a Facebook page that wasn’t their own ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that this is exactly coindesk.
mircea_popescu: i wish there was some way to make a bitbet about this.
BigBitz: but that other email is clearly phishing.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> that is... insane. << spamworld isn't known for sanity. if the people involved could think clearly they'd do something else with their time.
mircea_popescu: ow shit, no, actulaly, i linked the logs in my response
mike_c: someone should string them along a bit. that should make it obvious.
kakobrekla: option c: start phishing and then publish warning about attack on your site. this does not remove most potential victims but does remove guilt.
mircea_popescu: "let's spam and if anyone claims say we didn't do it, but if anyone buys all the better". this passes for business strategy, there.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have a lot of experience with wanna-be spammer kids. this is simply "plausible denial", as they understand it.
mike_c: well, "phishing". they will ask for btc.
mircea_popescu: it does not. it reads exactly at the level where coindesk articles read.
mircea_popescu: idiots consider having "theirname"@twitter, gmail etc a business move.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol << obviously they use gmail.com.
kakobrekla: maybe they got hacked?
mircea_popescu: how about that then ?
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/
assbot: Signal brings painless encrypted calling to iOS | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/29/5945547/signal-brings-painless-encrypted-calling-whisper-systems-moxie-marlinspike
kakobrekla: even then.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mike_c: you actually got them to call you a faggot?
BigBitz: the broken english is bad.
mircea_popescu: it ain't no phishing, it routes straight to their servers.
kakobrekla: i will send aplologies to the phisher.
chetty: ICE press release refers to "illegal aliens" 11 times: http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1407/140716houston.htm
Call the language police!
kakobrekla: turn the chumpatron to 11.
kakobrekla: >In fact, there are more searches now for crowdfunding platform Kickstarter than "buy a stock," according to the Google Trends data researched by ConvergEx.
pankkake: re iOS blockchain wallet, it's just a feature, it's the Apple price
thestringpuller: i thought WoL was the new rage?
mike_c: underscores are the new rage
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nanotube thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ? << you're not familiar with the dickwolves incident?
assbot: PSA: Don't change the new Blockchain iOS wallet denomination to "Bits". When you click Bitpay/Coinbase payment links it will send the wrong amount of BTC to the payment address. : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2c1nrp/psa_dont_change_the_new_blockchain_ios_wallet/
mike_c: in the logs
rithm: i need to get in on that op channel with the special topic
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
Blazedout419: his L1 users hurt if they neg you
rithm: let the ops figure it out
artifexd: nanotube: Can you confirm that one has to be in your L2 in order to rate others?
Blazedout419: new users can not rate now unless they have a rating
punkman: still need to get first account in nanotube's L2, then if you rate a dozen, you are kinda obvious
rithm: maybe i've just seen it done so much and all the exploits and loopholes are closed now
rithm: then i created 12 more with btc addresses
rithm: does it punkman? because you used to be able to rate one with another
artifexd: There was an anti-sockpuppet scheme that revolved around committing bitcoin for a certain amount of time. I'm having trouble finding the details right now.
rithm: making it cost prohibitive to shill ratings is the key i think
ThickAsThieves: the only way to make it have a cost is to do it like namecoin
punkman: kakobrekla, so what if you had to pay $500 to download bitcoin.exe then?
kakobrekla: but when bitcoin started, there werent enough people for that as well, just a circlejerk
rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class
jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything
rithm: this whole WoT thing has gotten complex over time and usage. but I basically am on the mpoe side of the fence and i think these "bitcoin wot's" need to be pay-to-pay
artifexd: <rithm> some people can't behave << Especially when they are on the internet and feel like there are no repercussions
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system
ThickAsThieves: ot the tentacles of Google Lyf
ThickAsThieves: Say the WoT is decentralized, supports more fields of data, has full API for integration for things like logging in to facebook or visiting Italy. The stronger and more prevelant the WoT gets, the more likely it is to become a requirement
rithm: i do not have a solution but i think entry into the wot should be guarded
ThickAsThieves: i dislike the extreme which becomes possible with a "better" wot
jurov: ThickAsThieves i understood it as you dislike the need not to be anonymous for web of trust to work
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
rithm: idenitity verification, not allow multiple accounts of some sort is the only solution i know of
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user jcpham: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 57 via 34 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=jcpham | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011
punkman: rithm, so how would you stop the shills?
rithm: so my cumulative is -70 because of bullshit joe schmoes with sand in their vagina
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. User jcpham, rated since Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011. Cumulative rating 147, from 101 total ratings. Received ratings: 95 positive, 6 negative. Sent ratings: 101 positive, 21 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham
rithm: so in theory i agree with you because it's already happened to me and no fucks were given
mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others.
rithm: but letting joe schmoe leave ratings for people who've been around the block for x years is moronic
rithm: i can walk into the NYSE and call people idiots
Blazedout419: well danielpbarron not going to beat the dead horse here, but your ratings are a joke
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 21 positive, 7 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 18 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron
rithm: <danielpbarron> +i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
Blazedout419: I just think for a business the scores matter more
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User BigBitz, rated since Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013. Cumulative rating 430, from 213 total ratings. Received ratings: 202 positive, 11 negative. Sent ratings: 186 positive, 59 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz
ThickAsThieves: well 10 points from mp is not the same as from ninjashogun
mike_c: there is weighted points. it's gettrust
Blazedout419: not me BigBitz talking about rtings abuse and the WOT
ThickAsThieves: but there should also be weighted points
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 8, Level 2: 73 via 49 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
Blazedout419: most do not bother to look at L2
ThickAsThieves: maybe they shouldnt be allowed
ThickAsThieves: the nature of yelp is negativity
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
ThickAsThieves: integration with other systems/wots
mike_c: why new wot? what's wrong with the existing one?
Blazedout419: I think they should be
ThickAsThieves: i brought this up in the past
mike_c: should businesses be in the wot?
ThickAsThieves: 'Describing themselves somewhat tweely as “tech tweenpreneurs”, JuJu, GiGi and JoJo have already authored more than 20 technology-related books aimed at children their own age. Now they have turned their focus on cryptocurrency through their Bitkidz website – the first ever bitcoin social media site for children'
ThickAsThieves: “People can’t really afford to hold bitcoin for very long. You’ve got to pay rent at the end of the month in euros or dollars, you may even at this time convince your landlord to pay rent using the bitcoin network, but at at the same time, you may have market action that happens during those 15 days that means you can’t cover that anymore.”
kakobrekla: to give out the impression someone is overlooking
trixisowned: if they do remove it
trixisowned: to remove it from their blogs
trixisowned: they forgot
ThickAsThieves: <+trixisowned> this is removed //// it was a pretty retarded line to have in there
asciilifeform: but if you do, don't screw up the polarity...
jurov: kakobrekla: why the search failed? does it have profanity filter?
kakobrekla: sign the tos? its not like it means anything!
pankkake: I suppose the ToS was never signed?
trixisowned: from the TOS
trixisowned: We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development. We may or may not take this option depending on community response; if done at all it will be done transparently.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the real gribble!
trixisowned: from the TOS
trixisowned: they removed this line
trixisowned: Purchaser understands, that while the Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.
asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'but it's open source!'
jurov: or maybe there is one already
jurov: imo miety could make video for cunt generation how to do the registration and gpg stuff under windows
pankkake: i.e. try again from the start
pankkake: either here or in private to gribble
pankkake: I don't understand the question, but you should use pool.sks-keyservers.net
kakobrekla: or just paste the private key and someone here will do it for you.
chetty: be sure you copy all including the dashes to decrypt
pankkake: I think you tried the wrong feature; you should decrypt, not verify
eregister: but some how in the video he got some info and pasted back
eregister: then were do i get what i have to send back to get verified
pankkake: then you only have to paste it back to gribble
eregister: i did but dont know were to get the key to send back to get auth
pankkake: you should send the line to gribble, in private or in a public chan
pankkake: read the wikis
kakobrekla: cut down on the speed.
pogakuofie: i have downloaded the kleopatra
pogakuofie: anyone can help with run the gnupg on windows
fluffypony: plus the source is on github
chetty: indeed, you never know who wrote the program that runs that robot
fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: I can never remember whether it's ! or ,, or ;; for a particular command
punkman: "Anyone Googling Serbian Crown, or plugging it into Google Maps, was told incorrectly that the restaurant was closed on the weekends"
pogakuofie: i can get a thing the article what is it abt??
wyrdmantis: i'm studying the wiki :9
dub: probably the same or better, they would look to preserve the distinctive brand but have a lot more stock to choose from
pankkake: "Their freakish messages seem almost tailored to demand attention in our outrage-driven world of social media signaling." eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier
penguirker: New blog post: http://theumlaut.com/2014/07/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-neoreaction-for-libertarians/
dub: depends what they buy it for, vast majority of single malt ends up in blends
BingoBoingo: punkman: It's hard to say. It seems the article mentioned one case where the switched to outsourcing it.
punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't?
BingoBoingo: dub: Well, with scotch selling whisky from distillery to distillery (or simply to blenders) is rather standard
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. later assetteers/
gribble: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress>; Spam and malware, let's be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together>; And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Lulz -> The prize for the most upfront bottler has to go to Blaum Bros. of Galena, Illinois, which market Knotterread not ourBourbon with the transparent admission We didnt distill this bourbon. Nope, not a drop.
punkman: family of friend buys 1000L of wine every year and it just about lasts until the next time
punkman: heh "whiskey aged longer than a distillery has been in business is one of the telltale signs that the “distiller” is actually just bottling someone else’s product."
assbot: Your Craft Whiskey Is Probably From a Factory Distillery in Indiana - The Daily Beast
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/28/your-craft-whiskey-is-probably-from-a-factory-distillery-in-indiana.html
pankkake: many language-specific package managers don't check anything either
assbot: How to take over the computer of any Java (or Clojure or Scala) developer - Ontoillogical
punkman: and for that day the gasenwagen comes: "A dry powder fire extinguisher is said to be a good improvised system for production of aerosol effective even in far infrared."