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BingoBoingo: ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety
AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Is the offer 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered in march?
AntonOsika: So I pay 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered when there is some market for buying it. Latest date for that market is 25th of July?
ben_vulpes: the whole point is to make people actually come talk to one
gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Tue Jul 22 21:19:27 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant.
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning. << Win
AntonOsika: Ok. Would I be the first to bet against you? :)
AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Yes, I'll go on! I was the newbie under the nick CheapBoy wanting to bet on ethereum. I'm still interested, haven't had time to get the WoT up untill now. What's your take on ethereum now?
AntonOsika: Thanks, by brother called me
mircea_popescu: <AntonOsika> I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer. << go on
kakobrekla: moiety does a great job on the wiki.
AntonOsika: Nope, I still can not find the right commands for it.
AntonOsika: Anyways, I should have the PGP key for being verified!
AntonOsika: I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer.
AntonOsika: I am the young man who was chatting here with the nick CheapBoy, but wanted to use my real name when verifying my identity!
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: why protect the soft belly ? OBSCURITY!!!
fluffypony: nobody does their own shit anymore
mircea_popescu: and then called it a day.
mircea_popescu: so cheapo inept blackwater just put the webfront on aws to noit have to handle ddos
mircea_popescu: but not cleared to hold the rest.
fluffypony: AWS is pretty robust with that - their infrastructure gets DDoS'd on the daily
mircea_popescu: i bet you ddos on the range would actually significantly disrupt their infrastructure. nuke the email server half hour before some important summit, embarrass them to all shit.
mircea_popescu: Amazon Web Service, while the other IPs are in the range:
mircea_popescu: the homepage of www.academi.com is hosted on
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mircea_popescu: but they're not all equal.
BingoBoingo: Well, judgment calls and blind refs/umpires can be enumerated after the fact.
mircea_popescu: well technically quanta is the plural of quantum, so i should prolly say quantum, but anwyay.
mircea_popescu: "Every system has to have some quanta of uncertainty affecting it." << that's not a correct use of the term. a quanta is a fixed, measurable, known quantity which quantifies a quantized system, such as 1 is the quanta of binary computing. in physics and so the surrounding world, (macroscopic)energy is usually hν, ie planck's constant (the quanta) times th frequency.
BingoBoingo: Well, Ted Turner did both start CNN and own the Atlanta Braves...
mircea_popescu: but theyd have also taken the tools of their trade, that made them better paid in the first place, along for the ride.
mircea_popescu: consequently, it'd stand to reason that as sportscasters became unemployed, they'd have started the huffpo of their time.
mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense that there'd be backflow mostly on the obvious grounds that afaik for most of the history a sports journo was better paid than a political comentator
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's an interesting theory. someone should probably run lexical analysis over sports coverage and politics in the us, past century.
kakobrekla: if the offer is really that good, he should take it.
BingoBoingo: Though... a heparin is probably the opposite of something you want to take if you come down with Ebola
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kakobrekla: for m.2 they will be if not yet
kakobrekla: for msata there are cheap converters to sata
pankkake: the issue with it is that I want the drives to be readable from other computers, so all those formats are annoying
kakobrekla: M.2 is the new shit
kakobrekla: some of the tp x series have extra msata slot. i have two x220 with two ssds innit and lampelina has x230 with ssd and hdd. both are 13.5"
pankkake: yeah 2 drives in raid1. with the ultrabay system or some clevos I suppose. but not on <14"
pankkake: I'm so obsessed with RAIDs I want them in laptops too
pankkake: and two other DVD drives with other nice characteristics (one with an altered firmware)
pankkake: I like the old "collector" hardware. I have 2 or 3 Plextor Premium
BingoBoingo: The x/t 60's tend to be prized anyways simply for the sheer amount of stuff that runs on them.
pankkake: I hope I can get one cheaper, but maybe the coreboot thing makes them highly prized items though :(
Apocalyptic: pankkake, feel free to pm me the txid and I will have a look
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So Imma looking at this van-ads thing and wondering... How does the payouts occur on Mondays part work?
pankkake: I've only determined they both use the node.js Express framework (my first step is usually to determine wether it's PHP)
pankkake: conspiracy theories abound
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: where is your market?
The20YearIRCloud: All in decent areas too, some of them would return in 3.5 or 4 years
The20YearIRCloud: Decimation - In our market I can buy houses that return revenues of purchase price within 5 years all day long. I was on the MLS last night looking in an area I want to expand to and found 14
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
BingoBoingo: This is what Baroney in the UK has devolved to.
BingoBoingo: They aren't to be.
mircea_popescu: she is pakistani, not palestinian. how are these people to be taken seriously ?
mircea_popescu: so this Sayeeda Hussain Warsi chick quit the uk govt in protest of its support of israel
BingoBoingo: White Africa is the worst
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, look at the trouble fluffypony started!
BingoBoingo: <chetty> BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst << The NFL is probably doomed to this on the sport's fundamentals and the number of rules already existing to keep players out of wheelchairs.
chetty: BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst
BingoBoingo: The acceptance of a level of violence keeps things civil, as while the normal outcome is a nasty welt, broken bones and season or career ending injuries are possible.
BingoBoingo: Baseball handles these things in a saner way for now. Player A calls player B a nigger and B's team like's him A is getting hit with a fastball.
chetty: thats politics getting on the field for sure
BingoBoingo: chetty: It was the NFL
chetty: was it NFL talking about banning the word nigger on the field or you get penalties?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it doesn't stop there tho. i used to watch formula one, but then... guess what ? david price intervened in the middle of the game and took everyone's bats away and forced them to use curtain rods.
chetty: <BingoBoingo> The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics./7 and now the NFL is talking about adding rules concerning spousal abuse, same thing
BingoBoingo: The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics.
BingoBoingo: Steve Ballermer and Magic Johnson fighting over who gets to take Sterling's team is a political discussion a la which contractor gets this bunch of tax money. David Price can't in the middle of the game take Mike Trout's bat and compell him to use a curtain rod instead.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"// maybe more than blacks actually, how often do you need to look up stuff in urban dictionary?
chetty: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.// but they are intersecting in a distrubing way
mircea_popescu: there can not be such a difference.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is the whole "x random team owner is racist" thing ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport. << Not quite because of kayfabe and the heel/face dynamic.
mircea_popescu: chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"
chetty: even sports is getting ugly with the libtards butting in these days
mircea_popescu: i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport.
BingoBoingo: is an entire infrastructure built around the mythos of each team and numerous parallel conversations, but at the end of the season there is a win-loss record and people are butthurt in proportion to how wrong the mythos they bought into was
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport. << Interestingly this is why I kind of follow sports. There
mircea_popescu: maybe it's all the fallout of television, who's to know. "here's what three generations of visual 'thinking' barbarians will do to language" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: punkman i can't really distinguish latin languages enough to have an oppinion, other than that modern french is perhaps having a similar if unrelated problem.
punkman: how's the spanish language fare?
mircea_popescu: and it creates a spiral of doom. as the language stops working positively, people stop caring, and so it'll just rot further.
chetty: I dun think thats the languages fault, poor abused language
mircea_popescu: some other languages however act as a confounder of thought, i am discovering, and a hindrance to expression.
mircea_popescu: well, here's the thing : some languages act as a metamind for the speakers. the collected intellectual effort of antecessors having constructed the linguistic equivalent of engineer's rulers and whatnot. so that through the mere workings of the language, one's point is refined.
mircea_popescu: i suspect for the average english as sole language speaker action is actually impossible today.
mircea_popescu: you can't run with your eyes closed. you can';t act in a world inhabited by these phantasms.
punkman: "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal!"
mircea_popescu: so you know, when the markov chain-based invaders finally take over, they'll be welcomed by the populace.
punkman: yeah you don't have to spend any processing cycles on what the other guy said, just do the most superficial patter-matching to harvest some entropy for your markov chain
mircea_popescu: back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport.
mircea_popescu: but the more i read the more i realise that actually... it's not me inventing something novel, it's my brain trying to cope with nonsense.
mircea_popescu: thus parallel discussion is not a funny occurence but the vast majority of all interractions, people happily arguing with self-constructed dopplegangers of each other respectively. basically, a strawman is not merely a logical error, but the substance of all english language discourse today.
mircea_popescu: so i suspect pop culture and the (very specifically english, btw, and chinese!) tendency towards the lowest common denominator and cultural sterility is the result of this chasm : on one hand people expect to be belonging together, unwarrantedly. on the other hand, they share exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: now this is all about as irrelevant as you like, but if you read what these commenters say to each other it becomes rapidly obvious they fail before even remotely engaging.
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of academics no less, discussing a topic of no particular interest with utter abandon : some palestinian guy who's also a professor got offered a job and then de-offered the job, because urbana admin didn't like him ranting about israelis on twitter.
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mircea_popescu: the possibility of text meaning something to the reader is quite severely restricted by a whole list of novel issues, not directly familiar to the historian of this topic.
punkman: "this isn't the textbook I was expecting!" ?
mircea_popescu: punkman i believe it'd be the proposition that words work unequivocally and logic may be applied to natural language constructs.
mircea_popescu: basically, that's what b-a reduces to : using english as a language rather than as a lingo is so uncommon by now, it takes intelligent people some effort to accommodate.
mircea_popescu: that's it. im surprised people even bother learning the language for this crap. o wait... they don't, do they.
mircea_popescu: and then you have some stale local interests topics, mostly molded in this mold, and some (bad) sports.
mircea_popescu: you have politics/current affairs, which are mostly a bunch of who we're calling the bad things this week, putin "doesn't understand how the world works" for having dared to humiliate our beloved leadership bimonthly for the past year, and israelis are whatever and on and on
mircea_popescu: e ? how very ceausescu v2.0 of them!).
mircea_popescu: you have "science" which mostly consists of the sterile nonsense of "creationists" and a few fringe groups (homeopaths, scientologists, whatever nuts), some very primitive "o look, I discovered fractals" repackaging of basic understanding ("i fucking love science!11") and a bunch of bureaucracy-serving faux debates (o, really, 97.x% of the "scientists" hoping for a govt grant agree the govt position has scientific valu
mircea_popescu: you know, english as a discussion space is getting incredibly boring these days.
chetty: well they kinda go together, newspeak the words are synonyms
mircea_popescu: it'd be fucking ridiculous if i took my capital out of the bezzle, but allowed the emotional soliciting nonsense to continue.
mircea_popescu: what, gotta have my emotions available for use as part of the "productive future society" ? that's okay, i'm opting out.
chetty: get with the program, you are supposed to feel sorry and guilty unless of course you too can find a nice victim group to be part of
mircea_popescu: they're all fluffy magical unicorns, too. so what of it.
chetty: but but but, they are all victims
mircea_popescu: they're only discussed because we don't really give a shit about the prisoner himself. if we did, we'd discuss how fucktarded he is instead of how x is failing y and other statistical wankery.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the more general point being that no structural considerations can ever excuse personal ineptitude. obama is a failure first and foremost because he, himself, personaly, is an imbecile, not nearly up to the task he asked to be allowed to undertake. every poor black person in jail is in jail because they, personally, are fucktards. the "system", family and all else come vehehehery distant seconds, and of little pr
mircea_popescu: so woul have the forum. if bitcointalk weren't run by a random 20yo kid with nary a clue of this world and a random gang of otherwise unemployable, it'd have not failed into the scam swamp of all time.
mircea_popescu: it would have worked fine with better people at the top.
fluffypony: has anyone written a blog post on what exactly makes the Bitcoin Foundation such a stupid idea? I mean besides their uselessnes to date, I mean fundamentally why it would never have worked regardless of who was at the top
mircea_popescu: closed down a decade into it. author realises she'd rather be a mommy than a ho.
mircea_popescu: "This is why I have not written about the most meaningful relationship of my life so far, or about my realising I want a life partner and children."
TheNewDeal: anybody out there?
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decimation: yeah, it is. I wonder if you will see a white/minority divide on bitcoin uptake. I can almost see the headlines now: "digital have-nots need free "access" to bitcoin to live"
mircea_popescu: well i guess bitcoin is jit then
decimation: except now the situation is such that the rednecks are almost completely beaten to submission, which is a problem ... when all the kulaks are dead, who do you blame for your failures?
decimation: elites who control the media & derpatrons keep the river of meat flowing, ensuring that their traditional enemies (rednecks, roughly) are crushed
decimation: do'h I missed the copy paste
decimation: yes, it has often been noted that liberal policy leads to impoverishment of the poor and downtrodden
mircea_popescu: let's make it so that low income people can't find any jobs, but let's not make it so they can't vote.
mircea_popescu: in spite of it... disproportionately affecting the poor etc.
mircea_popescu: they are however in favour of minimum wages, the exact equivalent of the voting franchise
mircea_popescu: they are against voting franchises, because they disproportionately affect the poor, black, etc.
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the most incomprehensible part of liberal self contradiciton.
assbot: There are eight states left with minimum wages lower than the federal minimum wage - The Washington Post
decimation: there's a 'movement' to raise it to $10.10
mircea_popescu: i guess minimum wage is not 10 bux all over the us.
decimation: I like the "complained on reddit" detail
mircea_popescu: the breeding of a new type of tard.
mircea_popescu: Ok, so Coinbase advertised (via a popup that appeared when I logged on) that if I complete my verification (which was already done), I'd get $5. It looked like a bug, but for $5 I clicked it anyway and apparently got nothing. And then of course like an idiot I complained about it on reddit. Now (several days later), I get $5 in bitcoin from Coinbase with a message that it's for completing my verification. Thank you Coi
decimation: yeah I'm in the us
artifexd: You are correct though. Both properties were bought off the courthouse steps.
artifexd: Are you in the US?
decimation: I guess I need to figure out how to get a cheap foreclosure & then find an amish work team :)
artifexd: The two properties that I own returned their entire purchase price in 15 months from rent.
artifexd: It takes work, but the deals are there if you look enough.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: you are looking to buy properties with a total purchase + repair cost of less than 5 years rent - in most us cities properties go for 2-3 times that
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
decimation: or do you pay outright cash for the homes?
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: who writes your mortgages? local ohio banks?
The20YearIRCloud: Here's the current prosectus decimation , we have a new one on the way - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/Public%20release%20for%20RentalStarter.pdf
The20YearIRCloud: the big thing is getting out from under our locked 6%-8%APY yield, we really can't unless we start selling off properties or leverage.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm really excited with where things are headed, our ROI internally is very solid, and leverage is only going to make it more pronounced. Lots of properties out there and our tenatnt pool continues to grow larger than we can supply.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: I've traveled through rural Ohio, and I can't figure out where people make money. Do they mostly commute to the cities?
decimation: it would be interesting to see the spread on a $1k usd bet ending 31 dec
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you rent to section 8 vouchers?
The20YearIRCloud: Still waiting to hear about the next step from the lender
decimation: !up thestringpuller
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
decimation: yeah personalizing everything probably foils much of the seo silliness
TheNewDeal: because they're all personalized
TheNewDeal: after the first few times*
TheNewDeal: the thing about google now is, I think it matters much less the first couple times you type something
TheNewDeal: so if my website is "atc.blahblahblah" I just have to be more popular than the websites that start with a***, at*, atc***
TheNewDeal: I think the gist was that most new search engines play off only the first few letters one types
TheNewDeal: wasn't there a trilema about this
decimation: ah, the issue was the lack of hunspell-en
TheNewDeal: just opened another beer before I finished the prior one. Sign of a good night
artifexd: Do you have any that don't start with btc/bit/coin/etc? You know, for the seo potential.
TheNewDeal: how many of these do you have?
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some aspiring bitcoin journalist about.
mircea_popescu: omfg "expirary date" is the cutest misspelling ever.
decimation: kakobrekla: yeah i guess tab does auto-complete, thanks for the tip :)
mircea_popescu: is konversation the kde thing ?
decimation: I'm using konversation, I haven't really taken the time to learn the keystrokes
kakobrekla: well in all the normal clients.
kakobrekla: decimation you do know there is autocomplete on irc?
decimation: kakbrekla: heh yeah I was just looking at domains, the whole thing feels like a scam, especially now that there are 158 tlds
mircea_popescu: then i can push you teh domains and that';s that.
mircea_popescu: then tell me what it is
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well do you have a namecheap account ?
kakobrekla: <decimation> my understanding is that it is rare to get someone to pay real money for a domain < not my problem if they dont accept my 13$ offer
decimation: I see the expirary date as listed above
decimation: yes, amoung the services they offer is domain registration
TheNewDeal: what's with the clientransferrohibited though?
decimation: maybe you can interest nasdaq or the winklevii derps?
TheNewDeal: whens the expiry?
decimation: typically you have to unlock the domain and then request a transfer to your registrar
TheNewDeal: I dont know how to do this deal. The only time I've done a webpage is when my university hosted it
mircea_popescu: you can just have the lot. where am i pushing them ?
TheNewDeal: you own them?
mircea_popescu: jesus so i'm just going to let these bitcoin-financials.com/net/org expire ? nobody wants em ?
TheNewDeal: aapl says you can't use their software to develope nukes
mircea_popescu: like the shit software producers throw on people
decimation: you can still sue, but the contract typically has language saying that you can't sue, so the courts decide whether the clause is valid
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decimation: well, as you say, you can always sue, but the question is unsettled as far as I know: "The validity of arbitration clauses in the US is not a settled legal matter." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_in_the_United_States#Validity_of_arbitration_clauses
decimation: where you go to a derp instead of a court to "decide" your case. It is standard procedure to agree to such a procedure in the "fine print" of most US contracts
decimation: apparently there's this "private court" system called "arbitration"
mircea_popescu: that's the motherfucking point of a court system in the first place.
mircea_popescu: decimation i have no idea what bs the "arbitration" thing is.
decimation: there's this weird dynamic with leftists in the us - they hate the idea that courts treat corporations as people
decimation: re: laws: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/obama_executive_order_on_mandatory_arbitration_huge_news_for_workers_rights.html "he second part of the order is what Bland is so excited about. This provision says that companies with federal contracts worth more than $1 million can no longer force their employees out of court, and into arbitration, to settle accusations of workplace discrimination."
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, you teach them the dangers of gambling, because of what idiots the commenters are.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really because the kids discuss the best odds instead of best players so they then think dad is making a wise choice when he bets the rent on a match because it's a lock, right?
cazalla: i imagine it's more about the betting than the game nowadays, they've had sports bet owners masquerading as commentators in the past, i wouldn't even let my kid watch it if he was old enough to do so
BingoBoingo: I also like how the NRL has betting ticket prices on their front page
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jborkl: money in infinite supply is the us right now
mircea_popescu: they got worthless money in infinite supply. as long as they follow the crowd they get to keep the shirts.
mircea_popescu: they can't lose their shirts.
decimation: it will be highly amusing to watch the anti-bitcoin derps on wallstreet to lose their shirts shorting bitcoin
decimation: hell, no one younger than 50 in the US has tried to buy a house in the context of greater than 10% mortgage rates
mircea_popescu: it's the dubious blessing of being raised in a system, that with the safety this entails for as long as the system survives comes intermingled the complete cluelessness and inability to survive.
decimation: I also find it amusing that the most important thing that the bureaucrats & academics start derping about are definitions
decimation: yeah it's pretty much the same way that people think that ssl websites are the best practice in 'secure' data transfer
decimation: re: dynamic equilibrium of bitcoin: I'm pretty convinced that 99% of people born in the west (especially academic specialists) have no idea about 'money', 'currency' 'non-money commodities', whatever words you want to use to label it
mircea_popescu: open wide, here comes the rape train.
mircea_popescu: take the coinfire dood. he thinks he's too old to be arsed to learn gpg ? he thinks he's too mature to submit ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the perfect tool for intergenerational warfare.
mircea_popescu: if the kids weren't stupid it'd be happening already.
decimation: if your scenario happens (college kids leverage usd debt for bitcoin) that will be the way that the baby boomers lose their lock on elite wealth and power in the us
decimation: in the us it's quite important for elderly to have no net worth on paper, so they qualify for free healthcare
mircea_popescu: but that is a pike to drive in the hydra's eye later on, let's not anticipate.
mircea_popescu: however, this is exactly contrary to how the whole rest of the bureaucracy would like to treat it.
mircea_popescu: and just steal the buyer's thing to give it to the creditor.
mircea_popescu: and then unwind any asset-protective trade as "without consideration"
mircea_popescu: it's going to lead to a splendid conundrum down the road, because from the pov of bankruptcy/anti-asset protection legal practice, the preferred avenue would be to declar bitcoin wiorthless
decimation: at least the smart ones do
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