mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?
mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.
ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.
ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
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mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!
mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :
mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!
mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines
mircea_popescu: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ?
mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups
mircea_popescu: i can't decide if i prefer cognac or rum with this chocolate fondue. they're both so damned good!
mircea_popescu: it's a great coincidence that wood burns cleanly and coal only slightly dirty, otherwise civilisation'd have been quite a different thing.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos <<< yes, this is why fires are so dangerous in contemporary urban settings. the smoke kills you more often than the fire.
mircea_popescu: nanotube tyvm, sorry for all the highlights :)
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mircea_popescu: nanotube the gribble part is good enough.
cazalla: actually, works for some, not others, maybe it's up to whoever listed it
cazalla: it throws me this message when i tried to grab casinobitco.in update - "You must be logged in and own units of the fund"
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gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ? <- if you mean by gpg keyid/print, then gpg info supports query by keyid. website does not currently but in theory that can be arranged.
kakobrekla: <TheNewDeal> do you think miners will start rejecting transactions with fees below a certain amount? < only the poor people pay fees
mircea_popescu: punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000" << shoudl be interesting what they rent for 111k. weren't the derps in san francisco whining coupla months ago that 10 / month / sqfoot is "outside of what a business can pay" ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop? << three gini guesses, and anything that's not "because they stopped wash trading" dun count.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 get in the wot wouldja.
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mircea_popescu: punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there << i wonder how much btc they get paid.
mircea_popescu: everyone's just sell sell sell not even a moment to consider it may be veering into the fucking ridiculous after a while ?
jborkl: Never mind the 403 it works
mircea_popescu: tefl/tkt ? holy shit, english teachers are now talking about their connections in the world ? what the fuck is wrong with this world, jesus.
TheNewDeal: then off peak, back to some lower levels
TheNewDeal: it would be interesting to see if there were peak hours where high fee transactions were the vast majority to get through
mircea_popescu: well so there you go.
mircea_popescu: aren't they already ?
mircea_popescu: and it looks like it's gonna go 12.x, and then x as in 6-9ish
mircea_popescu: dignork that's not the problem. the equation roughly is, "total btc miners get for mining". how that chunk is composed dun matter much.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=secular | Dec 24, 2004 ... secular. Intelligent; One who uses common sense and deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that religion is a joke. I think, therefore I ...
TheNewDeal: but the reward halved!
mircea_popescu: if you look at secular averages, there is a huge jump.
dignork: TheNewDeal: well, currently fees are very small relative to pyaouts, so it wasn;t supposed to create price jump
mircea_popescu: real prices don't follow fundamentals exactly. this is how you know they're real prices.
mircea_popescu: what did you think drove the price, "merchant adoption"?
mircea_popescu: they'll be paid some fractions of bitcent.
dignork: TheNewDeal: so the logic goes: currently miners are reimbursed ~40$ per tx, what will happen to them when payout drops. It's actually a valid question imho.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6952.12 GH/s
mircea_popescu: chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy? << trilema!11!11!eleven :D
mircea_popescu: i would imagine somewhere 30ish is the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: dignork how old is the dude anyway ?
dignork: TheNewDeal: yeah, but it's an extrapolation, to when miners payouts drop to zero
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal nah, this thing http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015
mircea_popescu: dignork did that go just about the way you expected ?
dignork: TheNewDeal: it sounds like fallacy, but it's partially true
TheNewDeal: "Bitcoin may be able to do that one day, but maybe not at the current $40 per transaction cost structure. " What troll-drugs is this guy smoking
mircea_popescu: is this the first time i got called a religious leader btw ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what trash, th logs ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks << this is a major part of why mtgox debacle was so funny to the old timers.
TheNewDeal: I can only presume there's some thick sarcasm I'm missing
TheNewDeal: you would rather read that trash?
mircea_popescu: somehow i'd much rather spend my time reading that than listen to songs someone wrote based on poems they wrote (the world needs more singers-songwriters and fewer doctors and engineers!)
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to extract the footnote in question from chapter 17, lemmeknow. i got a log to read.
RagnarDanneskjol: that's the bay area for ya
mircea_popescu: and it's funny what actually plays the role of fiat-denominated investment in most cases.
mircea_popescu: this being the main reason. people get so emotionally invested in their fiat-denominated holdings they simply can't adapt.
TimSwanson: Feel free to email me if you have any other questions
TimSwanson: Was nice chatting with the community here
mircea_popescu: oh they dreamt it up
TimSwanson: Pretty sure the cypherpunks in California would disagree with you, Phil Zimmerman may have coded it, but they dreamt it up, etc.
TimSwanson: They built really cool tech like PGP or even Digicash and ZKS but couldn't find a target market in a profitable manner
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of the strawman in question. you imagine this is a meaningful question, but it isn't.
TimSwanson: Show me the line of code that has "culture" in it?
TimSwanson: The costs of mining have seen and unseen aspects
TimSwanson: About the costs of mining
TimSwanson: Either you have an argument with data, or just rhetoric
TimSwanson: Look, you sound a lot like any other religious leader who says "you cannot understand the movement unless you're part of it"
mircea_popescu: indeed, that's the gist of it.
mircea_popescu: there's also a log.
mircea_popescu: well now look. so do you understand the wot or don't you.
TimSwanson: I have a big network in the real world outside caves
mircea_popescu: now, whether this session helped or didn't is unclear, but at least i tried.
TimSwanson: What is the problem I do not comprehend?
mircea_popescu: and i left it because it was apparent to me that you don't, on your own, possess the intellectual means to comprehend the problem.
TimSwanson: That defeats the whole purpose of permissionless
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the gist of the problem. get interested in bitcoin or get used to not being taken seriously, i guess.
TimSwanson: You are the one leaving comments on my blog
TimSwanson: My WoT in the real world is pretty good
mircea_popescu: dja grok how the wot works ?
mircea_popescu: this is readily reducible to the problem of "i have a very high wot score". it's not the number. it's the identity.
TimSwanson: Look in the Endnotes
TimSwanson: Other sources
mircea_popescu: if the book had no author i definitely wouildn't read it.
TimSwanson: Imagine if the book had no author, then it would just be about the actual content of the book
TimSwanson: Look, all you have to do, is read either book and then you can say what you disagree with
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol arguably i make a living blogging these days, so who's to know anymore.
mircea_popescu: these two have exactly zero in common.
mircea_popescu: and as to the earlier point : there is no such thing as "legal ones" re bitcoin companies. there's bitcoin companies, and then there's fiat companies that try to make a buck off bitcoin
TimSwanson: Busy with other stuff, you can click on it by visiting: www.ofnumbers.com/about-the-author
mircea_popescu: okay, i'll have to fix that article, no scholar environmental or otherwise.
TimSwanson: If you actually clicked on my LinkedIn, you would see that is the case
TimSwanson: Another guy
TimSwanson: I have never done anything with the "environment"
TimSwanson: Any other personal insults you'd like to make?
TimSwanson: If you clicked "About the author" you might know
TimSwanson: I hope you enjoy your journey on the High Horse
mircea_popescu: i scored you. the difference here is that in order to attack you we'd have to share something. we do not.
TheNewDeal: I have a bone to pick with this statement "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
TimSwanson: What is the strawman?
mircea_popescu: which is why the stuff yo usay is lulzy to people here, but not to you.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck working with strawmen whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that you don't klnow me, and by extension bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the problem here isbn't that i don't know you.,
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so. inasmuch as you wish to continue, on the general expectation that bitcoin will eventually conform to your worldview, you're more than welcome to it.
TimSwanson: That is besides the point
mircea_popescu: you may generously represent yourself as equal to all people, myself included. this however is false : i am a major player in a major revolution. you are practically nobody, or if we're charitable a minor player in a lengthy tradition, if we are again charitable and consider the us derpage somehow related to european academia as a human thought adventure.
TheNewDeal: got caught with the late bet once again
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal was it that it stays under or what ?
TheNewDeal: went to go jerk off, shower, then I come back and BAM it's trading at .0101 something
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bitcointrader_: they can take collateral from both sides to ensure no counterparty risk
mircea_popescu: !reg "Who should be the derpiest" and it gives you an index, then !vote 1224543 herpy and it tallies "herpy" +1
bitcointrader_: mircea, is there an escrow service that does otc derivatives?
jborkl: If you do , later tell me , I am going to write it in the morning.
TheNewDeal: omg absolute riduloustardedness "This is a mistake that we see in full force today in which the quantity of money available has shrunk due to theft, scams, purposeful burning, accidental destruction, etc."
SuchWow: one day i'll be more interested and educated on the topics of discussion and investments here, and when that's the case, I'll speak up for sure :)
SuchWow: lol either give me permanent voice or stop giving me temp voice. all it does is ping me, and i don't usually have anything to say, just observing :)
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mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal guy has a tenuous grasp on facts. which, for an outsider, i guess is laudable.
TheNewDeal: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/08/12/bitcoins-pr-challenges/ Wasn't EV sued for something other than SD?
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla ? THERE IS DEMAND.
TheNewDeal: I'm going to be in the smithsonian!!
mircea_popescu: left the guy a comment to come here, not approved yet, but anyway, if he shows up someone voice him
RagnarDanneskjol: check his pictorial anthology - belongs in the smithsonian: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue
jborkl: Awesome on the tits story. That wins with 4 palms award
mircea_popescu: "Worst pr move masquerading as an award", you can give that to the bitcoin foundation for the two bit idiot debacle.
mircea_popescu: jborkl either someone in here http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ or maybe one of these pixies http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
jborkl: The PR release will be full
jborkl: I am going to publish the #bitcoin-assets Bitcoin awards
jdanks: i have great plans to put blockchains on mesh networks. and i invest in coins i think aren't shit. i go for the long calls. yea i havent had time. i just sort of stumbled upon your kingdom the last few days
mircea_popescu: jdanks hai there.
mircea_popescu: if ever in doubt that's the path to truth
asciilifeform: 'she's pretty high of the ground; doesn't OSHA require spotters, or a hardhat...' << from comments
asciilifeform: lol, i get up for a little bit, and somebody links the world-famous menstrual painter.
mjr_: a bunch of good guys work there
mircea_popescu: which'd explai nwhy they've not done anything spectacularly stupid in the last while.
mircea_popescu: you specifically ?! how the hell does some dude in france even know you.
mjr_: and will try to help you with your other projects because we are serial entrepreneurs
mjr_: they said we know you have a lot of projects
mircea_popescu: what, you working by the hour ?
mjr_: since the 15th of july
mjr_: is that ego doesn't get in the way
mircea_popescu: mjr_ how long you been there ayway ?
mjr_: yeah, that is the beauty of that place
mjr_: and now i get to talk, they wanted someone to be out in public
mircea_popescu: well someone's behind there, the people originally involved with bitfinex ain't got the resources required.
mjr_: that may have been the nicest thing i've heard mircea_popescu say
ben_vulpes: if i want to turn my paper dollars into paper gold, i'm just going to whelk my fiat down to Schwabe and let them do what they do
mircea_popescu: then not a peep for about a year. so someone with some sort of competence took over. but mjr_ ain't telling who.
mircea_popescu: then about six months or so later some people involved had a very public breakup replete with tardstalk scam tag requests, much in the manner the bitcoin magazine takeover worked
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)
mjr_: so you say want to have an amount of bitcoin that reflects the gold/usd price
mjr_: still hang out with the coinapult crew
mjr_: nothing, that project was done, and i like the guys at bitfinex
mjr_: locks is the newest product
ben_vulpes: i really have no opinions about these things
mjr_: only been 2 weeks, but i like the guys i work with, i have a lot of autonomy
mircea_popescu: not that this worlview isn't common with twentysomething impudent cocklets. but it is universally working to their detriment.
mircea_popescu: the problem was (and am starting to suspect remains) your mistaken notion that you have a lot to give and relatively little to take.
pete_dushenski: flip the m and j
mircea_popescu: there was a guild, smickles runs it now.
mjr_: a game where i could put things into the world using bitcoin
mjr_: by the way, anyone gonna tell me if i can play this game where i can buy things with bitcoin?
mjr_: almost like lawsky wants to force people to use bitcoin rather than coinbase
cazalla: it will be interesting to see how many opt for ether instead of bitcoin
mjr_: if you try to use bitcoin to replicate the old system (hand your money over to someone and trust them)
cazalla: "Individuals also have the choice of taking the repayment in ether; in those cases, we will simply not send the BTC, and once all repayments have been processed we will publish all of the additional ETH that has been sold in this way (note that this is equivalent to sending individuals their BTC and letting the recipients send it right back into the exodus)."
gribble: You rated user xmj on Tue Jun 3 08:54:01 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: meets my definition of marauding idiocy..
mjr_: if you use the blockchain
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pete_dushenski: also http://contravex.com/2014/08/07/this-is-the-bitcoin-empire-this-is-the-new-yasa/
gribble: Time for some Bitlicenses of our own. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/time-for-some-bitlicenses-of-our-own/>; Daisies pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/>; TBI's Daily Bit — Bitcoin at a Crossroads - Tackling the BitLicense: <http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/92143258184/bitcoin-at-a-crossroads-tackling-the- (1 more message)
mjr_: but i just think that it is funny, i think the "bitlicense" is a penalty for people who don't use the blockchain
mjr_: by the way
mjr_: but i was hoping they started it
mjr_: i figured it wasn't the slovenia i was going to like...
mircea_popescu: gotta ask kako/jurov, i'm not from around there
mircea_popescu: mjr_ http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Josh_Rossi&sign=ANY&type=SENT << the two people you know are still here.
xmj: am i in the 'ingroup' now? :D
mjr_: don't have their addresses
mjr_: i think they may have gotten burned out
xmj: send them a mail ?
xmj: mjr_: bully them into being here (or, create positive incentives)
mjr_: and that none of them are here anymore
mjr_: i mean that i miss the people i used to see
xmj: mjr_: you said "03:20:19 <+mjr_> also, i don't know who the fuck most of these people are anymore"
mjr_: mircea_popescu: so, how is the game going?
mircea_popescu: mjr_ still running the bitcoinica codebase ?
mjr_: one of the US exchanges? with a proctology exam for free?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd love to read the canaltalkforums where all the "business ceos" go to ipo for their new dig projects and special usg contracts
mjr_: people trade on them
pete_dushenski: "Dry excavation work in the new Suez Canal commenced on Sunday as three thousand trucks and loaders in addition to 7,500 workers began work on site," << suez canal 2.0 !
mjr_: i wouldn't put my money there
mjr_: at least if you mean on the lending market
mircea_popescu: so how are the numbers, still 25% default rates etc ?
mjr_: i wanna tell you about my other project though
mircea_popescu: what do you do there ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: heh i recognize him as the cuckold husband from flight of the conchords
assbot: Bitcoin 'Conspiracy Theory' Alleges Virtual Currency is NSA or CIA Project
mjr_: they exist
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mjr_: there is an arragement of neurons in a certain configuration in some physical space
mjr_: the idea exists
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about ? abstractions don't exist they get called stupid all the time
mjr_: and there is a better way
mjr_: i will say they are stupid