mircea_popescu: " Location matters too. Prostitutes in San Francisco, where the cost of living is high, charge more than those in cheaper cities such as Prague."
mircea_popescu: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7 << this is a typically fuctarded article as one'd have come to expect out of the economist.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol not bad that guy. is he the real jeff jarvis ? :D
asciilifeform: it's still there; hungry.
mircea_popescu: course some older readers may recall the phuctor and it's quiet quietness. not everything is a they.
asciilifeform: they pulled it.
asciilifeform remembers the rsa key challenge and its quiet disappearance
assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5 << omfg you haxt my cameras ?!
mircea_popescu: the idiocy of it knows no bounds.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz: such irony. << they deserve it for using lastpass, srsly.
BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
asciilifeform wrote 'nails' piece when he thought the 50b matter
mircea_popescu: mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck. <.
asciilifeform: the N - 1 neolithic folks who didn't discover fire, yes.
mircea_popescu: fiddy billion people can be anything they want. all it takes is one.
mircea_popescu: there';s no need for fiddy billion people to be smart.
asciilifeform: ^ also related http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nice little preview of usa when 'the holiday' comes.
assbot: The /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash police look more militarized now than the actual National Guard, here from the 1967 Newark riots: http://t.co/qk3CKqSp8o
asciilifeform: anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers >> the old, essentially bulletproof explanation for death of art and science.
mircea_popescu: they're both professional venues where experts do something to your benefit.
mircea_popescu: about on the degree of the distinction between going for a play and going to the doctor.
mircea_popescu: i guess at the basest, anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers and the govt dole that supports them.
mircea_popescu: for the admittedly slanted view from my tower however, i can definitely say that i would trade a billion visitors from twitter for a thousand visitors fro whatever,
mircea_popescu: because the argument of why it did either can't be put to rest by the mere observation that it did it.
mircea_popescu: that's not really how it works sadly. we'll have to argue it whether it succeeds or fails
assbot: Chronotherapy
mircea_popescu: may have other problems, sure. generally we don't see th eproblems we don't have anymore. like in this oglaf comic :
assbot: Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it.
asciilifeform: re: tips: phun phact. my largest donor, a fellow claiming to be zooko wilcox-ohearn (of the 'zooko's triangle.')
mircea_popescu: so my rationale is, make a place which actually only lists legitimate venues, people won't have the problem i had anymore.
mircea_popescu: and the thought in my head was "i'd buy the whole book, if i had a guarantee your book is all respectable folk, no mfa, no shit. no torrents w/e"
mircea_popescu: well... specifically because they were respectable.
mircea_popescu: i bought on oglaf and other respectable comics. why ?
mircea_popescu: what did i buy on ? i couldn't care less about the "numbers"
mircea_popescu: from the position of the ad buyer, i was more than once confronted with endless lists of "venues" to buy space on.
mircea_popescu: it's not the argument.
mircea_popescu: maybe this doesn't make me any money, or maybe this is the last thing that keeps playable games available which is what keeps me from killing andreas for realz.
nubbins`: can't have nice things if you don't want to pay for them
mircea_popescu: i played solforge, some card trading game, and as for the past 500 games i played for more than 2 hours, i paid them something
mircea_popescu: the fact that when openssl got shot in the head there was someone there to pick the pieces...
nubbins`: "According to the Vancouver-based think-tank, the average Canadian family earned $77,381 in 2013 and paid $32,369 in total taxes — or 41.8 per cent of income — compared with 36.1 per cent for food, shelter and clothing combined."
mircea_popescu: well... there's apparently reasons. have i made money ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c your adhominem religious leadership aside, this whole discussion dovetails neatly into the converse, ascii's curiosity as to why am i giving bitdimes to random sluts.
nubbins`: gotta pay for the moose license
mircea_popescu: nubbins` does the average canadian also get more food, shelter and clothing from the government than he gets on his own dime ?
nubbins`: "the average canadian spends more on taxes than on food, shelter and clothing combined"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ? << SUre, I wanted cigarettes when I came to
mircea_popescu: all across the board that is.
mircea_popescu: to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ?
mircea_popescu: not that the two are divorced or orthogonal or anything.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea if it helps them make money or not, but it allows them to get places they wouldn't get otherwise.
mike_c: wtf else is there?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is the point of fucking to make money ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: hm, derpage aside, the point of advertising is to make money.
gribble: #002 - Honda Accord insulation to cut down road noise. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzsMv95ebg>; Noise pollution - Property Law: <http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/property/other_property_law_topics/8962.html>; Quiet, Please! How to Cut Noise Pollution at Home - Houzz: <http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/13825501/list/quiet-please-how-to-cut-noise-pollution-at-home>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense. << in fairness, i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" in any way applies to van stuff.
mike_c: ah ascii, i can see you are beings sucked in. join the crowd! peer pressure!
mircea_popescu: mike_c one of the things i did was have ppls prepare code so i can show ads to non-cookied users only.
mike_c: including a trilema ad slot could increase the supply in general and rise all boats.
mike_c: so take all the revenue and use it buy ads.
asciilifeform has no solid clue who reads his site, other than a multitude of trilema readers
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's more like, van is a piggy bank. if i start pulling money out rather than pushing money in it'll prolly debalance it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience. << the proposition that tardstalk has a valuable audience is outrageous.
nubbins`: if by that you mean circular conversations, then YES :D
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any other year situation would be similar here with power, but having a "temperate" year
mircea_popescu: i thought you just liked the enchiladas.
nubbins`: one of the reasons i come here
mircea_popescu: mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.
nubbins`: their rage scares me
nubbins`: i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them
nubbins`: i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty
gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 8 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?
mircea_popescu: eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff
mircea_popescu: i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.
nubbins`: i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.
gribble: Hypnotoad - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotoad>; Everybody Loves Hypnotoad - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc>; r33b.net - ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!: <http://r33b.net/>
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts
BingoBoingo: Or is that someother sort of toad
gribble: Escape Calvin Klein perfume - a fragrance for women 1991: <http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Calvin-Klein/Escape-271.html>; Polo Ralph Lauren Wholesale Free Shipping, 100% Original & Easy ...: <http://www.omnibiography.com/?p=Polo+Ralph+Lauren+Wholesale>; Emerald Insight | The internationalization of the high fashion brand ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google kalvin clein nevertheless
nubbins`: someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is
nubbins`: i blame all the "designers"
mircea_popescu: so win-win then.
nubbins`: the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do
mircea_popescu: because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.
pete_dushenski: sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: it's a Jaguar-Panther-tiGer
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...
nubbins`: what in the world is a jpg
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 134 Thin Ice
BingoBoingo: And correction http://thecodelesscode.com/case/134
BingoBoingo: I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style
mike_c: penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress
nubbins`: mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: jus' puttin' it out there.
mike_c: then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)
nubbins`: still went down for the second dive ;(
nubbins`: bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire
pete_dushenski: fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"
nubbins`: you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world
AdrianoOliveira: BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: one of the mpex, i think
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk
assbot: The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This kind of gives the gist of things http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/
pete_dushenski: we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was
AdrianoOliveira: although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before
nubbins`: they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families
BingoBoingo: "Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."
BingoBoingo: Even if the ssl premise is bork'd
nubbins`: step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc
nubbins`: they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it
nubbins`: i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand
nubbins`: shoot me in the face with a gun
assbot: Amway Journalism | The Baffler
BingoBoingo: I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious
assbot: This /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash thing reminds me of /hashtag/Occupy?src=hash except peaceful protesters actually making /hashtag/TheMan?src=hash tremble with fear
assbot: /jasiri_x FAA restricts aviation over /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash...read the reason. I found this on the Federal FAA website http://t.co/cgIGlFPWWf
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
ben_vulpes: "position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"
nubbins`: ah, the earnest young
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats
nubbins`: "these typos of drugs"
nubbins`: "People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.
mike_c: "Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."
nubbins`: mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm
mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?
jborkl: ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense
mike_c: well, it's the audience that is monetized.
asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense.
BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...
asciilifeform: ... it didn't work. ad revenue from the fine scotch drinkers did not suffice. magazine was: sold, dumbed down hilariously
asciilifeform: ad contents was heavily geared to the stuff aging 'imperial age' americans with intellectual inclinations might buy. primarily - whiskey.
mike_c: that might not be out of the question.
asciilifeform: mike_c: say, 10/mo. for either my nail clippings or ads on site.
asciilifeform: mike_c: must confess, i might submit to the indignity of ads on my site if it meant actual money
mike_c: i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.
asciilifeform: mike_c: not if the text is 'lol cockz'
mike_c: so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.
mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).
mike_c: you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the people payong
ben_vulpes: who are the customers in this scenario?
thestringpuller: so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jborkl: i only troll others, not my fellow assets members
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again
thestringpuller: okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority?
thestringpuller: venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established
ben_vulpes: which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now.
BingoBoingo: They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size.
BingoBoingo: If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already...
BingoBoingo: Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget.
BingoBoingo: I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume.
mike_c: mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin?
ben_vulpes: jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle.
ben_vulpes: jurov: not at the moment.
jurov: that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice
BingoBoingo: Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it
BingoBoingo: !up thExit
thestringpuller: Yea and the venue has metrics.
ben_vulpes: there is no impression rate
ben_vulpes: there is no click through rate.
ben_vulpes: there are no metrics.
ben_vulpes: you're missing the entire point.
thestringpuller: and the metrics
ben_vulpes: on top of the venue fee?
thestringpuller: depends on the runtime
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad?
thestringpuller: You're going for the hershey model
thestringpuller: more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression
jurov: ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet.
thestringpuller: There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised.
jurov: chetty, for coinroll they do
ben_vulpes: there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such.
ben_vulpes: you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads.
ben_vulpes: you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran.
pankkake: and you have to buy the ads per venue?
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead
mircea_popescu: the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten"
mircea_popescu: lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons
princessnell: lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort.
mircea_popescu: princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory.
princessnell: we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause.
mircea_popescu: princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse.
princessnell: is there such thing as too many bonuses btw?
BingoBoingo: jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it
HeySteve: if it comes to seriously coding up gamebooks, this project is a good example. it works for the lone wolf books: http://projectaon.org/en/Main/Books
princessnell: well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement.
mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D
princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship?
mircea_popescu: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/081/9/6/fishcake_the_inverse_mermaid_by_capriciouscaper-d4tm6k8.jpg
mircea_popescu: you're thinking the inverse mermaid ?