asciilifeform: if wishes were atomic dirigibles, beggars would rain thermonuclear hell upon their enemies.
asciilifeform returns, every time he thinks about any of this, to the Great Mystery of why our beloved phriends never, ever leak anything interestingly cryptological
mircea_popescu: right now, this is faster than blockchain propagation. Basically, it will be amazingly difficulty for the coin to agree on a valid chain, because there will be any number of chains that are almost the same length.
mircea_popescu: For those that are unaware, Unattanium is a newish limited-number-of-coins SHA coin. They've recently had to fork the chain, because the difficulty calculations were broken, and it went far too high. Sadly, they've now broken it in the other direction, and the dev seems intent on ignoring this, and abusing or hand-waving the problems away. It's now running at an 8 second block time. For everyone who is NOT facepalming
asciilifeform: thus they have issues with quis custodiet ipsos custodes
mircea_popescu: too painful cognitive dissonance otherwise.
asciilifeform: they gave him the keys << the anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, all gravy.
asciilifeform: enlist a tranny << slightly different dynamic there. any street scum can enlist as a private
asciilifeform: american military tradition borrows heavily from the brits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's provably false : if they did, you'd know what the definition of aryan is.
asciilifeform favours crackpot theory: the seekrit skvirels prefer to enlist 'pure blood aryans' and this is a painful constraint for them
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has 6 of em. they're rated 280ish to 310ish ea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they can't afford to pay smart people enough.
asciilifeform: like the mythical einsatzgruppen kommando loading blank shells.
asciilifeform: almost enough to believe that the author is secretly on the side of the forces of good - i.e. he isn't genuinely trying to fool anyone
asciilifeform: still boggling mind at the newest pgp hatchet job. why the idiocy? or rather, why was it not cushioned in perfectly logical criticism of the spec (crufty; mandates support for hideously weak algos; etc) ?
mircea_popescu: and of course the spec is a gnarly pos. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon3 anywhere from 310 to 410 w per o.o
mod6: I guess I could just put a line in there to set the % est. diff change to -75% of less than that number is received from the source.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: use the link I pasted
mircea_popescu: so like 2.269 satoshi/day or did i just broke the maths ?
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ofnkmqlfshhqtblr. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user xrobau to user xrobau: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xrobau&dest=xrobau | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xrobau | Rated since: Thu Apr 4 18:48:30 2013
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user X-Rob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=X-Rob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=X-Rob | Rated since: Mon May 16 20:47:55 2011
mircea_popescu: X-Rob well, i dun know em, i dun trust em, and we have a similar problem : you're not in the wot.
X-Rob: nah, I just rent my gear through there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and all other 'trinitron' aficionados: when you get the inevitable tube fade, do you boost the electron gun voltage? or bite the bullet and somehow conjure up a new (!) tube ?
kakobrekla: if there isnt a significant discount you are better off to rehire every diff change hehe
mircea_popescu: but i guess the lower one would work. how'd you feel about a longer term deal ? willing to move on the price a little ?
X-Rob: (that was the correct answer)
X-Rob: Let's just leave it like that then
X-Rob: However, full disclosure, etc, I'm the guy who caused all that shitstorm with that new unattainum scamcoin
railzand: X-Rob saw me through the raping of altcoin
mircea_popescu: anyway, so get the guy in question to come here. we were looking for someone to rent from anyway
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user railzand: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=railzand | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=railzand | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: (and leave it there?)
railzand: Thank you Mr P. I'm the idiot who broke altcoin. I beg your forgiveness
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.19 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mod6: mircea_popescu: maybe so. the bot just reports what it's handed. just trying to defend my code's honor so to speak. lol
BingoBoingo: Ah, PitythePool just doesn't work
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has a point, it doesn't move more than 4x either way on a recalibration
mod6: not the predicted 93% of the broken bitcoin-asset bot. << dick. this number comes from atc.blockr.io
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
Chris_Sabian: either.
mircea_popescu: or you mean ON THE PROTOCOL ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu ahh, now I remember something from the logs, I had rather skipped it though so far as not-on-my-list
Chris_Sabian: ThickAsThieves started it as a CoinGen bitcoin clone in late january 2014. people have been mining since then. they are worth about 200 satoshi
diana_coman: uh oh, then...why ? I'm fine with btc, lol
BingoBoingo: Haven't mined it yet but I'll point a trickle there to see if they report anything... Once I make an account as I am nao
mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought someone in the wot was running an atc pool.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sent him a PM on the forum
mircea_popescu: "It looked like a pile of numbered cubes as it bobbed gently and flew over the landscape and under the sea. It was Boxy and it had not a worry in the world nor in his head, for his head had holes shaped like one, two, three
But it had no purpose either and so it was in search of a purpose that he explored the whole land of Eulora a land that was just learning to be."
mircea_popescu: another few bitcents to keep that thing going won't be anyone's concern. maybe see if you can contact the rig owner or w/e. wriggle it in.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-105428 << why are people so mean to me ;/
mircea_popescu: i'm game. you're authorised to spend 1 btc mpif funds to rent atc hashpower, which includes cover for the prev 1.5 btc.
mircea_popescu: they're nuts with those things, i've seen them advertised with lanky adolescent legs, with cars i think,
mircea_popescu: wd diana_coman, the first eulora crafter.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.28 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
punkman: need another 10kloc
kakobrekla: yet its down 10% of the time? :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: if over the course of that week you haven't figured it out...
ben_vulpes: properly perm'd homedir. if none of the above makes sense, you don't know enough about how computers work to be fucking with gpg. luckily, you'll learn it over the course of a week writing your own wrapper.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage? << this "usable lib" shit is hysterical. look - if you need to use GPG programatically, shell the fuck out to it from whatever you're doing. specify a sane homedir or even better run your application as its own user so it gets its own
wyrdmantis: ahahhah, i already had the answer! thanks man
assbot: The Bitcoin Bible: Benjamin Guttmann: 9783732284320: Amazon.com: Books
wyrdmantis: http://www.amazon.com/The-Bitcoin-Bible-Benjamin-Guttmann/dp/3732284328 <<<--- is this useful in your opinion? a beginner asked me, i will not buy it.
kakobrekla: why would they ddos you?
asciilifeform: to the folks ddosing my site last night - nice work, but no cigar.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: Apocalyptic: nevermind, I finally got the mail
assbot: Is the 52-Week High Momentum Strategy Profitable in the Foreign Exchange Market? by Ahmad Raza, Ben R. Marshall, Nuttawat Visaltanachoti :: SSRN
mircea_popescu: now if all these noob bloggers would learn to stop using disqus, the world would be such a much better place.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, it's a give and take sort of deal. it only becomes problematic when fuckwits get a hold of the reins.
mircea_popescu: same kid doesn't have to lay optic cable before he reads silly derpage on the internet.
mircea_popescu: like, kid doesn't have to go to the forest, cut logs and make a schoolhouse before he can have a basic math class.
mircea_popescu: http://www.libertyroundtable.com/2010/03/30/bonds-what-bonds/ << the problem with this nonsense is that while the bonds do in fact in some very torturous sense make the kids "slaves", nevertheless the kids also get all the shit that the bonds bought.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jgarzik you gotta be fucking kidding me with this shit (https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/500224384536412160). who the fuck are you fooling with this malicious derpage?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know the cryptoderpengineering thing was linked 2x
pete_dushenski: "If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP." << fucking golden
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
pete_dushenski: other than, perhaps, another derp knocking pgp… moments before stepping down from eff
assbot: Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin http://t.co/vIOaxSoN3x >/techreview
mircea_popescu: "let me tell you what i think of all the things i know nothing about. it's the reddinternet!"
pete_dushenski: "as a man stewed in the secular religion of science, let me share with you its inner workings"
mircea_popescu: "as a derp bathing in the lake, i find it interesting to pretend like the lake fauna is pretending to be the whole world. anthropologically!"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are bitcoiners predominantly north us ?
pete_dushenski: As an outsider, it is (anthropologically) interesting to watch a bunch of (predominantly) white (predominantly) Americans (and Canadians) purport to claim that an interesting payment protocol will solve world peace, governmental overreach, and all the other ills of modernity. << as an insider, i find his use of brackets (fucktarded)
pete_dushenski: nao i just need to sort out what sassbot, the real bot that is, can do for b-a...
pete_dushenski: apparently i was on such a roll, putting other canadian boy in his place, that i've earned the title "sassbot"
pete_dushenski: had a fun evening out with another couple
decimation: the lesson is that if you have access to mining hardware your best move is to rent it out, not use it for your own hashing
decimation: I mean of the rig you rented
decimation: BingoBoingo: what was the hashrate?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is that possible, i dun see him
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.55 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
BingoBoingo: The rig advertises 1.4, but it's been reporting ~1.32-1.55, not very stable this beast
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how much didja pay for the 8 hours ?
BingoBoingo: Both happened after I fired this thing up and the pool's previous hash was 0.03 Th/s
dignork: BingoBoingo: for 8 hours run i'm not sure it's worth it, but it's actually pretty easy to set a temp stratum server, and point miners there.
BingoBoingo: I think just whatever altcoin person running pools that found Altcoin on the forum first
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd rather not have some shady rented hash pointed directly at my altcoind
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bother with a pool for atc tbh
mircea_popescu: so you don't get any credit for what you find, merely for the hashes.
BingoBoingo: So far for contributing 99%+ of the hash that solved 2 blocks I recieved... 24 ATC... P2Pool powered pools are weird
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway the idea of a pool is that you share your stuff
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> hey that's enough to keep a guy afloat in bsas for a few months at least << the theory that doge is worth dollars, as in over 1, is still lulzy.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts << you mining atc or btc ?
benkay: ;;gpg info davetherave
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
benkay: ;;ident davetherave
benkay: well there's a neat little hole in gribble
gribble: Sent 2 days, 2 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> fap to this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/08/12/the_sec_s_antimodern_logo_evokes_southern_tradition_authenticity.html
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for aldur1, benkay, birdman, bitcodernoob, coinfire, D-Dimer, davetherave, dotcoin, eggbot, everyone, jcpham, Kingdom, mariogrip, mexual, mike_c, netsplit, nubbins, pete_dushenki, randywaterhouse, Retro, RetroUpriser, Rozal, the, ThickasTheives, thickasthieves, TimSwanson, trustedcoinhu, tysat, vexual, and yotagada.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I just did rent X hash for Y time and pointed it at a pool. Have no idea how the pool figures payouts
Blazedout419: Every new miner sold will not likely ROI or turn a profit...yet they sell out over and over
decimation: yeah all of those miners except one would lose the tenant money (mining bitcoin) ... one wonders if there are 'other motivations' to mine...
BingoBoingo: Am I paying off ancient debts this pool owes to its loyal miners and all of their 0.03 Terahash?
Blazedout419: I need to move my miners and rent them out...pays a lot more
Blazedout419: wow all the 50TH are rented now
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.83 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.36 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.18 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
asciilifeform: there are at least as many ways for bad ui as for bad food
asciilifeform: re: user interface << a 'clean ui' doesn't mean what people often think it means. e.g. a lathe has three knobs. what could be simpler. and yet.
asciilifeform: if 'wisdom is getting on the train one day before everybody else' (TM) - folly is 'trying to get on the train exactly one day before everybody else.'
mircea_popescu: i look forward to the day random derps all over the us can't afford internet derpage anymore because bitcoin competition has made electricity too expensive.
decimation: some environmental concern troll should write a blog about how asic mining will make the blockchain green, because it will be more thermally efficient
Blazedout419: that is probably the best route for it
Blazedout419: they have a web interface to add pools etc..
Blazedout419: mircea_popescu you just rent and point them where you want
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 do they do custom jobs tho ?
Blazedout419: never seen any rentals at the 1 PH rate though lol
decimation: asciilifeform: no, that's a complaint about the gpg user interface
decimation: it seems to me that the cli for signing subkeys is less straightforward than it could be as well
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
asciilifeform: decimation: one can - and i do - disregard the useless crud
asciilifeform: decimation: it's pretty simple, at least with regard to the basics
decimation: asciilifeform: do you know of a document that gives a detailed description of the innards of gpg file formats etc?
asciilifeform: and not a few of the best gestapo folks ended up in stasi, etc.
asciilifeform: anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice << nah. most of them (including herr dzugashvili...) just got a new krysha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body << wait, vs. what ?
ben_vulpes has also forgotten the results
ben_vulpes has estimated the roi on renting hashes for atc
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
mircea_popescu: the mining kind
mircea_popescu: speaking of specialised hardware, anyone got a box somewhere they want to rent me ?
BingoBoingo swears the only thing worse than netsplits is netreunions
BingoBoingo: The slavegirls mounting a rescue op to reverse-extradite
BingoBoingo: In mean those drones with their extradition bombs and all that jazz
dpb_twitter: dpb is pwning the forums with his #derpreport
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doping your drink in London though might be the USG's one chance to try to rape you for a change
gribble: Malpidity | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/>; The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/>; BingoBoingo | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/author/bingoboingo/>
usg_press_machin: Agree to disagree on the last point.
mircea_popescu: the problem now is that government has no further reason to exist and no means of supporting itself.
mircea_popescu: that ~used~ to be the problem, before we met, for many years.
usg_press_machin: I think the problem is that governments can do nasty things. We each have our own way of dealing with it. I do so within the rules the system sets out; MP does it his own way. Different approaches.
justusranvier: Psychopaths gonna psycho in any situation. The current situation is that when certain psychopaths put on the right costume, all of a sudden something flips in everybody else's brains wherein they regard the actions of the psychopath in completely oppostie moral terms.
mircea_popescu: the salem trials is the convenient case study here. you can decry them as "incipient government establishing itself the way government establiushes itself all time, all places : through murder". but just as well... people kill, and some killers are persuasive.
mircea_popescu: maybe the murderer is persuasive ?
justusranvier: The myth has nothing to do with the mindset of the murder - it's about everbody else.
mircea_popescu: that's also never going away. if i thought the victim was kinda cool i'd not have killed them. once i killed them, obviously i will go on thinking they sucked.
justusranvier: True, there will always be murders. What can be ended is the myth that murder isn't evil just because somebody drapes a fancy title on themselves and cloaks their actions in euphamisms
justusranvier: Murder is murder, no matter what kind of costume somebody wears. "The state" is the lie that a magic costume can turn murder into "public policy" or some other such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the state as a voluntary association, all they who choose and wish to pay taxe sand obeys the law is what we have here already.
justusranvier: "the state" is an excuse one group of people make up to explain why their crimes are actually virtuous
justusranvier: Point of order: "the state" doesn't exist. People exist, buildings exist, guns exist, drones exist.
mircea_popescu: the state can't exist.
usg_press_machin: If "sovereign" means "monopoly on the use of force" or determining how force should be used, I'm in the camp that the state makes that call. There should be exceptions and limitations, and it's the task of politically active people to make sure those lines reflect their views.
usg_press_machin: Maybe. Depends on the definitions we use.
usg_press_machin: Thanks Mircea. I think crypto has a place to carve out individual privacy, but I don't think it necessarily follows that the only option is to view the relationship in terms of conflict. Reading now
justusranvier: Read the last paragraph of that article
justusranvier: I like Tom Baugh's tendency to corrupt the youth
mircea_popescu: (but it rests me at ease to hear from the usg_press_machine itself that crypto is no longer armament)
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as someone';s breaking the law and not paying taxes, yes. that'd be the definition of a rebellion.
mircea_popescu: the situation is in fact quite symmetrical, whichever side you're on the other will prolly not like it.
usg_press_machin: Is there a rebellion?
mircea_popescu: in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.
mircea_popescu: it's what the tradition points to, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: here's the legal convention : anyone who worked for the tsar in any capacity, 20 years diging ice in siberia.
kakobrekla: it would be prolly better to detect log url, parse it and just go after the line directly in db
mircea_popescu: the future is eminently unknowable. i for one am definitely going to push for hangings.
usg_press_machin: mircea_popescu yes but I don't think paying taxes to the USG - no matter what the USG does - is Nuremberg material.
mircea_popescu: there's no rule of nature that says the us can never be so identified. for those people who do make that identification, you're a criminal.
kakobrekla: there are ways to execute js w/o a browser but that is kinda silly.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: if the js that highlights the line also alters the title node would assbot be able to read that title?
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes url hash tags dont get sent to the server.
mircea_popescu: ahahaah that';s right. submerged altogether!
mircea_popescu: "A proper approach to key management. This could be anything from centralized key management as in Apple's iMessage -- which would still be better than nothing -- to a decentralized (but still usable) approach like the one offered by Signal or OTR. Whatever the solution, in order to achieve mass deployment, keys need to be made much more manageable or else submerged from the user altogether."
mircea_popescu: "(Let's not get into the NSA's collect-it-all policy for encrypted messages. If the NSA is your adversary just forget about PGP.)" << best part :D
ben_vulpes: or if there are less retarded ways to accomplish same
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: dunno if you're into this sort of thing but if you grabbed the logline in question with the same js that does the highlighting and slammed it into <title></title> would it show up for assbot to read directly into the chan?
mircea_popescu: yeah, THAT is the solution. keybase.
decimation: I would agree with his point that the pgp protocol is complex, but I suspect that anything that tries to solve the same problems will have similar complexity
mircea_popescu: "The lack of transparent key management in PGP isn't unfixable. For those who don't trust Google or Yahoo, there are experimental systems like Keybase.io that attempt to tie keys to user identities."
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-great-post-of-rebuttals/
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: tell me about it i had a dev send me an ssh key in a fancy attachment the other day
mircea_popescu: by now i can sorta distinguish the noobs from the veterans because the noobs send me gpg blobs with "Content-Type: multipart/mixed;" mixed in, whereas the veterans just neatly paste the pgp in the email body.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses << Is that what you want the oncologist to do?
mircea_popescu: as if you know, plaintext mail isn't end to end encrypted. why not ? i do it all the time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And they completely forget that if you NEED end to end encryption... A key exchange is happening privately nomatter what yahoo or Gmaul's shit insists on
decimation: but mircea_popescu, you are leaving out the masses
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's so lulzy, the crap these people publish. "o i hate pgp, it's too secure, pls to use centrally distributed keys, so much lightyears better"
decimation: the fact that he says that the cryptography is old (and therefore bad) pretty much explains his cryptographic chops
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: What's the matter with PGP?
BingoBoingo: usg_press_machin: There's at least 800 different alternatives to your two presented options and there are 796 of those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!
usg_press_machin: What's your view on it then? I'm openminded.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin if you read the logs, you've seen how well this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's a good one for you : http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money/ (Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000.)
usg_press_machin: if you're into it to fight the state, then go for it, I can respect that viewpoint.
usg_press_machin: If you're into it to go to the moon - mass adoption (hence legal frameworks) are key
usg_press_machin: But this is the thing with my question about asking why you're into bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: there is definitely something wrong if trying to present that as anything but fucking weird.
usg_press_machin: So what's wrong with doing bitcoin while... say, obeying the law and paying taxes?
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s