mircea_popescu: air travel is insecure BECAUSE the tsa not in spite of it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I actually think the endgame a portion in Ferguson seeks is a police department like East St Louis's which see falling crime in spite of near complete inactio << it's not in spite. it's BECAUSE.
BingoBoingo: Most in the US have already been collapsed to
mircea_popescu: there's the louisiana territory, the texas republic, old dixie, the original colonies, republic of sociocalifornia etc etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and unlike, say, yugoslavia or ussr, there are no conveniently-drawn ethno-geographic bantustans for it to cleanly collapse to. << sure there are.
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asciilifeform: it is very heavy. and transformer conveniently had a middle tap for folks in gringolandia to move the mains wire to.
BingoBoingo: I hear you know thestringpuller petenineteen
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BingoBoingo wonders what person sleeps in the wilderness without protection
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: See I like to smoke in the tent which I why I pack an ash try
nubbins`: no knives, keys, or lighters in the hammocks!
nubbins`: even sized correctly, you'd be smashed into each other all night. if this sounds like your thing, then yes
BingoBoingo: No, the ground is great, like us apes
nubbins`: i can't get comfy on the ground
BingoBoingo: Times 1-5 sleeping in a hammock I awoke safely on the ground, knife in hand
nubbins`: first time pascale ever slept in a hammock, i suggested we leave the tarps off so we could see the stars
BingoBoingo: In hung over hypnagogic terror might as well be a trap to the lizard brain, and I am not letting the spiders win
nubbins`: no advice for you there 8)
nubbins`: these ones are idiot-proof, built-in bug mesh, snug tarp
nubbins`: you should look into hennessy hammocks, they pack super small and you can string up in all sorts of places
BingoBoingo wishes he were in time for TSR and could get a literal pound of cocaine to cut the walk to 10 days
asciilifeform: these folks are now: dead.
asciilifeform: most russians in chechnya, pre-collapse, weren't instinctively afraid of their neighbours either.
BingoBoingo: Yes, State Trooper in Illinois. Many accidents, many incidents, finally shipped to wander the big jail for killing two cute white girls in a traffic accident
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> Well, my pet theory is that much of the continued racial separation in the US is related to treating race as an inventory management problem << out in the burbs recently, noticed while walking by a softball game while emptying the dogs tanks how the white folks sat on the left side of the field and the black folks on the other. this being in one of the few neighborhoods with actual black folks in portland, the ration was
asciilifeform: how to maintain full employment on the cheap? how about jacqueries.
BingoBoingo: Today though was too soon for me to wave the Orlov was right flag. Last night was "mostly peaceful"
BingoBoingo: Bantustans aren't an unfamiliar creation in the region as many "coal city"'s existed which were named not for their coal mining.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try another hypothesis re: rationale for ferguson. engineered creation of 'open sores' for military action on the cheap. as described in http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html
BingoBoingo: Well, the Illinois State police recently started policing East St Louis so there is prolly a point to that
asciilifeform: inhabitants of a newly-minted bantustan are usually invited to handle these matters on their own.
BingoBoingo: I actually think the endgame a portion in Ferguson seeks is a police department like East St Louis's which see falling crime in spite of near complete inactio
asciilifeform: along side the bezzlatron, there exists the system whereby actual food is delivered, water, fuel, mains current, etc. is piped.
BingoBoingo: The great bezzel problem is no one can be sure if anything was actually paid for
BingoBoingo: Nominally, but I'm not really sure feed/house is covered in the actual budget.
asciilifeform: which is the mind-boggling part
BingoBoingo: The much promoted "outside agitators" still largely hail from St Louis County.
BingoBoingo: Well, the St Louis County PD and by extentsion the Ferguson PD work mostly for their pay which comes from West County
asciilifeform wonders if the ferguson uprising folks like the logical conclusion of their work - bantustan behind concertina wire
BingoBoingo: Well, my pet theory is that much of the continued racial separation in the US is related to treating race as an inventory management problem
asciilifeform: and unlike, say, yugoslavia or ussr, there are no conveniently-drawn ethno-geographic bantustans for it to cleanly collapse to.
asciilifeform: even in the past, did not hold the frost very well (who burned, e.g., detroit, and why...)
asciilifeform: usa proper is arguably the ultimate 'fridge'
asciilifeform: at the time, mine were at the top of a stairwell to nowhere (wall) - in the cellar (which the owner usually kept locked, to keep tenants from switching on the heat.)
BingoBoingo: I like how they fail beautifully, before you realize you have to traverse the county in a disorderly manner to replace them
asciilifeform: might handle better than the mains box >> to the extent that the fridges largely consist of deliberately-crafted thorns in the side of the old sovblok, bad bet.
BingoBoingo: I dunno, I imagine some of the refrigerators might handle better than the mains box when disconnected
asciilifeform: the fate of the contents of the various u.s.-powered 'refrigerators' around the world will be interesting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: article: taiwan is an interesting case of what i like to call a 'refrigerator' - pocket of thermodynamic dis-equilibrium kept going via outside energy (in its case - u.s. imperial navy)
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BingoBoingo: White dude talking race and policing >> http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/20/a-key-thing-that-erodes-the-pretense-of-respectability-in-governance/
kdomanski: this trope is present even in popular media - e.g. in the Game of Thrones, king Robert sends his squire to get the "breastplate stretcher"
mircea_popescu: It is said, if you try, you can bugger the fly, or the swallow as it skims so skilfully by
BingoBoingo: Well, some professions instead of hazing the n00bs haze the olds. See "retail pharmacy"
BingoBoingo: In the boy scouts, people at camp their first year were sent to the quartermaster to retrieve the illustious "left handed smoke shifter"
asciilifeform: but this here is a different idea - actually build the entire thing via moving nozzle (a la plastic printer.)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed, especially considering all of the stuff I planned on addressing and culled
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo isn't the +iq effect of ba impressive.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: electrochemical machining: if you do the obvious thing and run it backwards, you can deposit metal. but you'll have to temper the finished product.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That was posted at the exact right time to get linked in blog post I'll finish tonight or maybe in the morning.
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mircea_popescu: eventually the hedgehog loses it and peeps "i have no hole, let me be!"
mircea_popescu: so eventualy gave up, curled in a ball and hoped for the best.
mircea_popescu: just the poor hedgehog, with his tiny feet couldn't really keep up
mircea_popescu: and the bear took to the road to find something to stick his hard cock into, repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> enemy might be covered in magical armour, but he still has, presumably, a visor << this reminds me, you know the horny bear joke ?
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "the performance people moved away from vinly". it's dead.
mircea_popescu: it's just... you know that no modern war will be won by small arms fire. like if the uys and china went at each other
asciilifeform: but one nitpick - the 'self-aiming rifle' (one variant recently exhibited) could be an interesting gotcha
asciilifeform: small arms are a dead trope >> i recall a thread re: armour and the obsolescence of small arms
asciilifeform: departures from tradition - e.g. 'caseless shell' - were suggested, but no one bothered to reduce to practice afaik
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BingoBoingo: I find reading about these things interesting because of the engineering and implementation issues raised. Like last night's electrolytic machining discussion.
BingoBoingo: What was that word for "the big jail"
asciilifeform was informed re: the ubiquitous photos of gurlz posing with 'fancy m16' - typically it is the .22 cheapo variety.
BingoBoingo: You can get copper plated, but yeah. Fouling is an issue. Thankfully the solution instills good habits
asciilifeform: folks who spend a good deal of time at target practice complain about the fouling (no jacket.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the chamber in the standard 5.56x45mm barrel is wider to accomodate all that case. Unless the very cheap want a sleeve to solve that dimensional disparity at risk to limb...
BingoBoingo: Nothing to do with caliber, in the AR/M-16 style rifle the entire upper switches out with the removal of pins and replacement of bolt carrier springs. As long as the new caliber round is no longer than 45mm it works.
asciilifeform: rather, 'crowd control' mitrailleuses.
asciilifeform: mod6: police snipers (like any other) traditionally use bolt-action rifles of the 19th c. variety
mod6: yeah, you got nothin over 100m with that though. fine for qcb, but how are you supposed to reach out and touch someone in the field?
asciilifeform: if i recall, these are a plug-in part (no machining required)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the .22 (for non-usians, the familiar 'olympic' caliber) rifle is also explained by cost: roughly 1/2 - 1/3 of a 'proper' m16. low pressure round, can use garbage metals. << In police department purchasing general practice is buying actual M-16 type and them getting .22LR uppers to go with them
asciilifeform: the .22 (for non-usians, the familiar 'olympic' caliber) rifle is also explained by cost: roughly 1/2 - 1/3 of a 'proper' m16. low pressure round, can use garbage metals.
mod6: <+thestringpuller> dat snow << i basically piss ice cubes
asciilifeform: Hindenburg << would've probably died 'natural' death of most other dirigibles (wind. wonder where the u.s. ones went?) if not for the nitrocellulose envelope.
BingoBoingo: I'm and the places in the US I consider traveling before my eventual exodus all seem to be upwind of those problems
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: claimable by someone who knows exactly what they are doing, but not by a bunch of hillbillies
mod6: you'd think they would want to destroy those and the nukes. but they won't, because they can't see the forest through the trees.
kdomanski: mod6: when the usg falls I hope it's caches of chemical weapons are secure
mod6: shoots pretty much like the 16 or ar15/m16
mircea_popescu: isn't the recoil pretty bad on that ?
mod6: just think of all the toys that'll be avaliable. =D
mod6: when the usg falls, i'll be buyin!
mod6: i shot one of those rugers with the integrated supressor once, it was hilarious, made no sound at all other than the action.
BingoBoingo: Right, but the large caliber stuff looks cool and costs money.
mircea_popescu: no wait, in the 20s it was bb pellets. what do you think thompson fires ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in the 20's
mircea_popescu: dude im missing out on the party. i thought gangland was mostly 45
BingoBoingo: kdomanski_: In Missouri you can buy them without an NFA provided it was manufactered in Missouri
kdomanski_: BingoBoingo: they're actually popular for gang hits, because it's trivial to make an effective supressor for them
BingoBoingo: The small rimfire calibers though still kill plenty of people in the city (cheap effective enough if trying)
BingoBoingo: But if those assault rifles are mostly for looks and fitted with .22lr uppers could contribute to the explanation for why the cop got trigger happy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well no updates on the confinscated bullet
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i was protecting the public"
mircea_popescu: would be kinda cool if the next few crowd shooters adopt this strategy as the maximal damge game theoretic solution.
mircea_popescu: he was "protecting the public".
mircea_popescu: i bet you if you asked the whole complement of us police it'd be their honest estimation that in their absence the whole population would simply die overnight.
mircea_popescu: It was havoc at that time. He also got urine thrown on him, having to deal with that is obviously disgusting, Jiminez said. However, when hes trying to protect the public and asking people to back up, under no circumstances do I, or our department, condone his language.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wlel they don't really do anything.
BingoBoingo: reeses: Protestor with the confinscated head bullet http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Officer-who-threatened-to-kill-protester-in-Ferguson-suspended-272073421.html together with http://www.tacticalsol.com/ar-22-series-uppers/ar-22-sb-x seem like interest wild conspiracy stuff.
mircea_popescu: they burn helium nao dontchaknow. better than water.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly remarkable for "Russia, already the largest producer of crude oil and natural gas, is weighing up plans to become the biggest supplier of helium, the inert gas vital for medical scanners, welding tools and rocket fuel, as the U.S. sells reserves from storage."
mircea_popescu: good to know the us govt is in some way related to every modern atrocity.
mircea_popescu: "The U.S. government had a world monopoly on helium and in the mid-1930s refused to sell any to the Zeppelin Co. in Germany, which is why the Hindenburg was filled with highly-flammable hydrogen when it exploded."
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry << or in any case, a good rendition of a very large matchstick.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure bits here and there in normal course of business, but that's about all.
mircea_popescu: an infinite supply of such examples is how the idea that normal people aren't entitled and shouldn't be entitled to an opinion came about.
mircea_popescu: in the moment they FEEL they're just like you. then later, they're no longer around to eat dirt, and if they are they won't eat the dirt anyway.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> http://i.imgur.com/L08FPjx.jpg << lol what? << forum muppets being forum muppets.
jurov: maybe silica aerogel filled with h2 could be used someday...it can be expected to not be explosive thanks to its thermal insulative properties
BingoBoingo: (soviet atomic dirigible would've probably flown with H2 from sea water. because cheap and angry.) << H2 Airship is probably near the Platonic form of of cheap and angry
pete_dushenski: now there's an idea for a comic strip!
asciilifeform: hell, from atmospheric vapours. (don't need much to top off the balonettes)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: holy sweet mother...
thestringpuller: there isn't much overlap between mpex investors and play exchanges
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thestringpuller: I think the private equity buy was for higher price than this
thestringpuller: as they monetize perhaps
pete_dushenski: maybe the coins are being dumped onto bitstamp for seekrit skvirels to depress price lol
pete_dushenski: well there's not a lot of evidence to support the theory that the derps, wol, bbet, or nsa are picking up the slack
thestringpuller: if it is moving out then it's going someplace, God knows what
thestringpuller: If money is staying in MPEx then it will be deployed somewhere else besides MPOE
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: what do you mean? Who knows where the capital is being deployed, why, and how.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx << as opposed to…?
Namworld: what's the next diff command...
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well we don't know the full story. there could be large withdrawals going out of MPEx
Namworld: Yeah, about that blockchain.info reddit thread... nice link provided in there: https://blockchain.info/address/3M1S3tZVkEJw7zVBtn1Mq8McVyfnNMAuoX
pete_dushenski: so btc and mpoe getting cracked on is the "tough goin"
pete_dushenski: it's tough goin out there in bitcoinlandia!
BingoBoingo: My gosh, are you guys totally unaware that hundreds or thousands of services use your API to may check balances and provide services on top of it? What the hell are you guys doing. This guy is reporting a vulnerability for free and you act ignorant. Do you want somebody to exploit such vulns without reporting and blockchain ending up like emptygox?
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BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well...prolly when people start getting naked
thestringpuller: when can sovereign entities use force if the police are militarized?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: last night was a quiet night. After http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php Tonight might be... who knows
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can study under the cover of darkness, in a cellar, with black-market materials. but it used to be, you could also study at a university.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe << (practical) chemistry is an experimental science. very 'seat of the pants', like metalwork or any other work with hands.
mircea_popescu: the chick however, she comes from money, ran for the danish pirate party iirc, got a seat.
dignork: mircea_popescu: the guy is playing a wrong game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7GGrUdJUI&t=0m25s
mircea_popescu: but yea srsly, in the space of six months i went from >1bn to like what, 200mn ?
mircea_popescu: the two profits of internets.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes. difference being that they never shot gorbachev.
mircea_popescu: guy'd better pray they did take note.
mircea_popescu: either way.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no? << well if they didn't, either the police comissioner hangs or they got themselves a police state.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I'm thinking, well the police stealing their bullet back. I dunno if pale America is ready to take Obama out back yet.
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/mya_aaten-white_shooting_victim_from_aug_12_says_police_have_not_interviewed_her.php << o look at that. us police shoots civillian in the street, goes to hospital, steals bullet, disappears it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city << because they were... immoral ?
mircea_popescu: it's more like part of cuddling, in the female mind.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits? <<< you know, this is very popular with a large section of the female population, but the woman that wants dribbling by random people she doesn't know is quite rare.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (other than a library) << "there isn't where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe ?
mircea_popescu: wives horses and business ideas are what you make of them.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> well fuck. << there is no such thing as a perfect wife, horse or business idea.
mike_c: anyhoo. i get floating point stupidness. just mildly surprised the division & multiplication are different.
punkman: oh I see now, it worked because I didn't use my (satoshi / 100000000.0) results in further calculations
jurov: for example ghci says the same.. it's standard floating point stuff
petepolack: thestringpuller: it worked
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X-Rob: mircea_popescu: The pool died, it switched to my backup pool, and then didn't switch back automatically when the pool got better.
thestringpuller: cool well talk to you tomorrow then
nubbins`: grab my key from the wot
thestringpuller: i guess we just don't want the image to "leak"
thestringpuller: kay we'll talk to you tomorrow then and get everything paid for
thestringpuller: then you can send us gpg signed invoice in BTC?
nubbins`: unless he has specific questions for me, there's not a lot to discuss anyway
thestringpuller: he will log in when he gets there
thestringpuller: petepolack is the designer
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still there?
nubbins`: Q: for those of us with metal-and-glass phones, is there an alternative to the classic noPhone? plastic is yucky.
pete_dushenski: "With a thin, light and completely wireless design, the noPhone acts as a surrogate to any smart mobile device, enabling you to always have a rectangle of smooth, cold plastic to clutch without forgoing any potential engagement with your direct environment. Never again experience the unsettling feeling of flesh on flesh when closing your hand. "
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Might be time to break out the aluminum foil
BingoBoingo: "I've talked to both the St. Louis County Police Department and Ferguson...they have no record...no file number, no report," he said. "They don't have anything."
BingoBoingo: When we spoke with him several hours later, the story just got weirder.
BingoBoingo: "We want to find out who and what agency took possession of the bullet," he said. "We want to identify who was responsible for firing the weapon that ended up with a bullet being lodged in the front of Mya's head."
nubbins`: sure, i'm back and forth here for the next hour or so
usagi: I also imagine the restriction would also allow you to increase or reduce the ratio of fast twitch fibres, because theoretically the body wouldn't toss out muscle mass which is being frequently used
usagi: My theory is if you perform certain kinds of exercises your body will cut out the extraneous muscle mass inhibiting your motion and you will be able to move/respond quicker using less energy. Useful for sports
usagi: I mean it sounds obvious, but actually, the way in which the body goes about reducing it's muscle mass is something which is fascinating to me
usagi: For me, one of the most interesting features of a water fast is that your body will cut down on it's extraneous muscle mass as well as body fat. I will have to try it one of these days
nubbins`: why's the audio so shit on this version?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school. << sounds like some kind of miracle land compared to the anti-intellectual "i are sportsstar" culture here
pete_dushenski: pankkake: we're trying to tease apart the research on calorie restriction and that on fasting, but still interesting
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