asciilifeform: in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move.
decimation: the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes
asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect'
decimation: la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design
asciilifeform: at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque.
asciilifeform: the difference between profit and orbital garbage
mircea_popescu: and they won't even need that much shielding .
mircea_popescu: but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions
mircea_popescu: then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.
mircea_popescu: this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.
mircea_popescu: at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.
decimation: presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics
assbot: Bussard ramjet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: friction opposes the extra thrust-mass
decimation: asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector
assbot: Magnetorquer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers
asciilifeform: by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor)
asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank.
decimation: spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space
mircea_popescu: well the iss is not a closed system.
decimation: well, the ISS is
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mircea_popescu: of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest.
asciilifeform: (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.)
asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.'
asciilifeform: there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter.
mircea_popescu: the latter perceives he does not need one.
mircea_popescu: the former perceives he has some sort of army.
mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?
asciilifeform: what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e
mircea_popescu: and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.
asciilifeform: this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly
asciilifeform: even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
mircea_popescu: the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.
mircea_popescu: im not sure that whether is valid in context.
asciilifeform: similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind
assbot: here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground
mircea_popescu: ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ?
gribble: Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: <http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2>; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464>; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory
mircea_popescu: i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.
asciilifeform: at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long.
mircea_popescu: i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.
asciilifeform: in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane?
The20YearIRCloud: Of course, the greys were behind it
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it
mircea_popescu: im in the process of forcing a point.
mthreat: I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.
mircea_popescu: mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.
mthreat: what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?
mircea_popescu: do these people even know what terrorist means ?
asciilifeform: 'the broom shoots once.'
mircea_popescu: "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.
asciilifeform: sure they do.
mircea_popescu: nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone.
mircea_popescu: guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.
asciilifeform: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << basically factual afaik
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013)
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation
ben_vulpes: average impressions delivered over the past seven days
mike_c: the former
jurov: will the ads be shown 10x less often or not at all?
jurov: i noticed the missing "fi" ligature instead lol
thestringpuller: we can get the full invoice later
chetty: a contestant in the oppression olympics.//+++++
pankkake: As for her friends, they were almost exclusively other oppressed SJWs. Although friend is a strong term. She had many fights with them that basically boiled down to "stop complaining about your oppression, mine is more important." She was, essentially, a contestant in the oppression olympics.
assbot: I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee
jurov: which one? i don't see you there
BingoBoingo: And not left their channel
BingoBoingo: jurov: Re: https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin I went to join their channel and now am op
Blazedout419: sorry for the name change spam...some scammer was squatting my name trying to scam
asciilifeform: chetty lives and breathes 'mingw' ?
lobbes: I would also qualify as one of these peasants; hell, I'm essentially a SQL monkey
thestringpuller: kakobrekla is the most enigmatic person here <.<;;
kakobrekla: theres quite a few more than that.
b00lcrap: i think they will be gone soon
chetty: <asciilifeform> so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.// might as well while they last
b00lcrap: who are still slaves to the man
b00lcrap: are we the only one
asciilifeform: so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: jurov: b00lcrap and i work a day job together. quite unrelated to s.nsa.
asciilifeform: and the occasional 0day.
b00lcrap: asciilifeform invited me here, we work together at a crap farm
asciilifeform: b00lcrap: welcome to the dark army.
asciilifeform: mthreat: the 'new face' thing is probably pure conjecture, but if you could read russian (or chinese) you wouldn't need to ask for source material re: the rest.
mthreat: I asked him for a source about the "new face" business, no response to my question
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asciilifeform: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << from the management-con fellow
penguirker: New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/21_andreas-antonopolous-as-canonical-example-of-why-you-cant-trust-someone-not-in-the-wot.html
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ben_vulpes: the php app thinger's misbehaving, or slow, or its my network conn.
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assbot: Why New York Real Estate Is the New Swiss Bank Account -- New York Magazine
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
BigBitz: kakobrekla they got $13.5m
nubbins`: cucumber in the bushes
ben_vulpes: sitting in the cafe this morning, makking in your enndos
asciilifeform: re: by the author of the fake management article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8191181
asciilifeform: boolcrap: get in the fscking wot, comeon
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pankkake: and the idea of a bitcoin backbone has been discussed here a while ago, btw
assbot: USDOJ: Bank of America to Pay $16.65 Billion in Historic Justice Department Settlement for Financial Fraud Leading up to and During the Financial Crisis
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
pankkake: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ <= I like the "But… but… Centralization!". the thing is great, but he knows already it will be misunderstood
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
los_pantalones: BigBitz i too am confused as to what they do
Duffer1: probably ip pump n dump, they're hopin for obscene buyout from paypal or dwolla
jurov: simple, they heard about DERPs and want to get listed on MPEx
BigBitz: Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't their whole business based on access to the 'open & freely downloadable' bitcoin blockchain? or am I seriously missing something?
assbot: The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
mircea_popescu: pankkake who';s this, the 20something ceo of great valor ?
pankkake: from the man himself "Shot by a keyboard warrior? Don't think I am too scared to be honest."
mircea_popescu: you assumed wrong. it is the incontrovertible right of people to flush their assets down the toilet.
Duffer1: i've been out of the loop a while
Duffer1: did they ever catch that neobee guy?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well at least he's still tweeting. the neobee thing he tweeted a lot about also turned to be a wallet stealing piece of crap
assbot: The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
fluffypony: this one's for asciilifeform: the bad thing about Turing machine jokes is you never can tell when they're over
mircea_popescu: this makes them cool no ?
fluffypony: the sad thing about IPv6 jokes is that almost no one understands them and no one is using them yet.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that stinks of desperation in the last degree.
Vexual: i prolly dotn have the skills really
jurov: dude, if you're to convince vulpy tyou're up to the job
mircea_popescu: it's so broken there's simply no words.
mircea_popescu: moreover... suppose there's mail in transit for #11 or #13.
mircea_popescu: except... it is obnoxious as fuck for clerks to decide the management is "a supersitious buyer".
mircea_popescu: " Its like formally changing a houses address from 13 to 11 before selling it to a superstitious buyer: the fact being erased is that it was once called 13, one that will never matter for any purpose or cause material harm to anyone."
punkman: dafuq "it’s OK to fix prior social status because one’s present state (abilities, talents) is fully consistent with the altered past."
mircea_popescu: the whole us is practically speaking an engless fractal implementation of exact anti-robustness.
mircea_popescu: how the other half works : they select a subset of reality that it's not okay to lie about, then lie about all the rest, which is fine because hey, it wasn't in the holy set!
assbot: How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
mircea_popescu: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/ << these people.
RagnarDanneskjol: as opposed to ones conjoined at the head you mean
mircea_popescu: we're talking education as in, i've been a sex toy to the master of field x for two decades.
mircea_popescu: intelligence as an innate ability is merely a qualifier. you don't got it, you can't play. otherwise, education is 99.x% of all intellectual performance, and that x is 10.
mircea_popescu: oh i see, the bell curve.
xmj: mircea_popescu: i'm currently reading through the Bell Curve, which gives lots of references to that fact
BigBitz: That being said, even if there was, I'd take it with a pinch of salt also.
BigBitz: I don't believe intelligence is directly related to genetics at all -- unless there is some proven medical study to provide that ?
RagnarDanneskjol: pretty close to this: 'The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.' A.E.
Vexual: i measure intelligenge by the abilty to process new imformation
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: probably better to make your own educated decision <- looking at other's bets is an educated decision
Vexual: watchu got then rygar?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stike | stike-{stahyk} verb.(originates from the word strike)to ignore or cut off communication to a person or group.
Vexual: the tentacle pron thing is a euphemism for adding obrusicating bullshit
Vexual: although i will be removing redundant wire from my ethernet
Vexual: and they can tell if you're eating cheetos
Vexual: well the way i read it, if you have a wire protruding from your anus to an attacker, they can read your thoughts
assbot: PubPeer Threatened with Legal Action | The Scientist Magazine®
pankkake: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40800/title/PubPeer-Threatened-with-Legal-Action/
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/business/smallbusiness/yeswares-matthew-bellows-on-his-ironic-challenge.html
Vexual: i heard the be controller is a bit shit
punkman: nope, all the assholes want web interfaces
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.80 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1160.60 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
BingoBoingo: If nothing else the ATC crisis has given me new respect for miners
mircea_popescu: how the hell does that go, 31bn ?!
assbot: Linux Founder Linus Torvalds 'Still Wants the Desktop'
BingoBoingo: http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/linux-founder-linus-torvalds-still-wants-the-desktop.html
BingoBoingo: Bt also love them
mircea_popescu: in other news : saw a chinchilla run from a sewer tonight.
ben_vulpes: if it blocks the request, i never know. if the request goes through but the user's never shown the content, that'll log.
mircea_popescu: so then adblocking doesn't rly do much, unless it kills iframes i guess
ben_vulpes: what other caveats can i drop...
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for closure : the resistance to anything unlawful is not a right, it's a freedom. no court has or could have any authority to create a right out of it, or in any way to curtail it.
ben_vulpes: the notion that cops would know one boggles me wee brain a bit
mircea_popescu: officer in charge comes over, goes "hmmm... mr. p... would it be possible to ... uhm... look in the trunk ?"
mircea_popescu: muggle comes over, sees the car, sees me, runs off.
mircea_popescu: so many years ago, i'm coming back to town. im in the back with a girl, driver and shadow in front. there's this roadblock on the local turnpike.
mircea_popescu: "i was supposed to get paper x, da didn't send it. motion to dismiss the case with prejudice"
mircea_popescu: i dunno people... where i come from something like this is enough to throw the thing out.
mircea_popescu: around their prior conflicting statements, to get some police procedures expert to justify the unjustifiable."
mircea_popescu: cident that youre being prosecuted for (See, Rezek v. Superior Court, 206 Cal.App.4th 633 (2012); youre supposed to get it, but in the real world, you almost always never do), and the story that the cops told the Professional Standards / Internal Affairs Division Investigators dont jive with the present one. They just make something up; all with the guidance of the DAs office. Really. They fabricate enough
mircea_popescu: o look at this "The practical answer is, that if you get a sympathetic jury, and may not get convicted; especially if you catch the cops lying and ditching evidence (standard operating procedure; really.) The cops stories in these cases are a work in progress; they change depending on what comes up. If you (by some miracle, even though youre entitled to it) obtain the Internal Affairs Investigation of the same in
mircea_popescu: prime candidate for the salt mines.
ben_vulpes: right up there with doctor of communist economics
ben_vulpes: hikkikimori and they just don't know it
mircea_popescu: "I know it is scary for people to be stopped by cops. I also understand the anger and frustration if people believe they have been stopped unjustly or without a reason. "
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mircea_popescu: now how the fuck would he know.
mircea_popescu: "It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed."
mircea_popescu: dja know the hemingway manual of style ?
BingoBoingo: I might have gotten to a bit tipsy by then. Maybe I need to chew on these things a bit longer
mircea_popescu: "These are young people who want a future of some sort and know that if during such frequent encounters their persistence in being might cease because either the officer, themself, or both are having a particularly bad day their life can end. " this made utterly no sense.
mircea_popescu: but this system where square faced mugs figure themselves alpha is unholy./
BingoBoingo: The problem is overestimating one's cool and being an asshole beyond that
ben_vulpes: "if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. "
mircea_popescu: "it's not the police, but the people they stop, who can prevent a detention from turning into a tragedy."
mircea_popescu: this is Sunil Dutta after having been drug behind a truck for two hours the next day
mircea_popescu: perhaps it'll help the next set stay affraid.
mircea_popescu: i intend to make a nice library. the memorial von flondor library, containing documentation of what happens to these folks once things change.
mircea_popescu: looking forward to the videos of them folks being beaten to death over a week or two, once the regime changes.
mircea_popescu: somebody thinks they're like alpha or something lol.
assbot: Im a cop. If you dont want to get hurt, dont challenge me. - The Washington Post
BingoBoingo: Oh, one of the dpb noobs challenged me to chess, and maybe?
mircea_popescu: so do the pds routinely pay small claims for pointless detaining professionals ?
BingoBoingo: Well, drunk in public isn't a crime there. Turns out nearly all US states have that BS
mircea_popescu: that missouri statute is such bs. all the 1st para is replete with "lawful arrest"
mircea_popescu: does he fucking have an opinion on restaurant meals too, like the previous idiot ?
mircea_popescu: and since when the fucking hell does blasio have anything to say about resisting arrest ?
mircea_popescu: but why does it work for your thing ? you're not saying anything normative there.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's normative, i can see it. "when we feel depressed let's take our clothes off and bellydance instead" that makese sense.
mircea_popescu: why the when let's structure ?
mircea_popescu: "When considering what jurisdiction in this world is or is not, or perhaps which one just might be ever so slightly closer to being the land of the free than some other's let us examine a snippet of text that enumerates a right of citizens of some actual jurisdiction the world which might give many people in the United States some pause."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: did you and pascale hate it? << if the girl's frail and the guy big it dun work.
BingoBoingo: It is the redditards curse where they imagine the cause of their continued poverty and virginity is God's spite
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget the US pidgin Spite-Cause