BlueMeanie4: there must be some options
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BlueMeanie4: so what exactly is going on in crypto these days?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the trilema ranch of feminist pain, http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/#comment-106375
nubbins`: (most of the time)
mircea_popescu: The Asteroid Monsteroid!
mircea_popescu: for the delicious cheezy flavour.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there's a fetish where the guy wants to eat out girls that have priorly masturbated with pizza rolls
BlueMeanie4: they are not quite facts, but similar and have related qualities and are a diminished form of such
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 don't feed the trolloids.
BlueMeanie4: something neither provable nor disprovable, but simply annoying enough to be worthy of printing
ThickAsThieves: thats the point here
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue; they merely misplaced it by an inch.' << does this mean they imagine purity is about keeping their asshole undeflowered, or does it mean their hymen is now wrapped around their uterine head ?
asciilifeform -oid << has long recognized the existence of 'womanoids', who bear the same relationship to 'woman' as spheroid to sphere.
ThickAsThieves: this is actually what the bitcoin community does to everything
mircea_popescu: "what's that ? " "like a virgin that's really obsessed with the notion people are trying to fuck her. paranoid virgin."
assbot: Dumplings (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: hanbot: lol. windowcat, in all likelihood, began by watching birds. or the play of her kitten, microwindowcat. but she's been known to look in the window.
nubbins`: the definition of factoid was in fact a factoid for me this whole time
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed << they're called power rangers for a reason you know.
mircea_popescu: <guevara246> the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud < yes.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed more in use cases since there is no way to really set up a trust fund of sorts with time-delayed transactions without the risk of the beneficiary double spending
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell guevara246 this is a problem I was working on. even with a single sig a timelocked transaction can be double spent if it another valid transaction is broadcasted and accepted before the timelock expires the original transaction becomes expired
asciilifeform: TomServo: the very same.
assbot: The Return of Windowcat - Imgur
guevara246: the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud
guevara246: Hey, I have a question regarding P2SH and timelocked transactions: in a use case where a client is purchasing a good or service using a 2 of 3 multisig scheme, can a timelocked transaction be broadcast to the network and invalidated by a second transaction, signed by the same agents, sending outputs to a different address?
asciilifeform off to cook severe coffee, for conversion into mathematics
mircea_popescu: lol. in every remaining competent bureaucrat there's an intelligent person captive, struggling to get free.
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 700.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.28 TH/s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform architectural style. << this is such a lol, because yes they do it, it's almost as if trying to copy own glory moments resulting in cheap tourist shop replicas. just... why!
BlueMeanie4: click the blue E
BlueMeanie4: spent a week wandering the polish countryside, interesting experience
asciilifeform: grumman dentist needs office too. lined with cork, for the screams of the 'patients.'
BingoBoingo: It's just odd driving through a suburban residential neighborhood and passing the squat dentist looking office park and seeing a Northrop Grumman sign
BlueMeanie4: would you rather have one of those ultra-modern offices complete with ping pong table and espresso machine to ensure you spend every waking hour there?
asciilifeform: they even sent a stereotypical woman to prepare stereotypical coffee, and served it on a bar, lifted straight from a 1950s american tv scene.
asciilifeform once had the good fortune to visit just such a 'park.' inside: mildly refinished warehouse, with plentiful cubicles and many hanging models of satellites; on the walls, hanging mementos of the 'glorious reagan years' - 'this floppy contains our first flown firmware!' and more in that spirit.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: The portion of Illinois well spaced away from Chiraq
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The dominant form here are vaguely labeled or unlabeled office parks for businesses whose customers rarely visit
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults << This is the benefit of having at least vulgar familiarity in a 3rd language
BlueMeanie4: 1-3 floors so they dont have to have an elevator
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're traditionally 1-3 floors. make life a little harder for kgb binoculars, or whatnot.
BlueMeanie4: plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well. << Scattered throughout the towns on the West side of Scott Airforce base in the Metro east are low rise versions of this
BlueMeanie4: ya the way he uses english is just brilliant
chetty: good news is he doesn't write in Romanian anymore, all English these days
BlueMeanie4: the writing is spectacular :)
asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips.
BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?
Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising
BlueMeanie4: obviously this isnt the place for a friendly chat- you can PM me if you want
Apocalyptic: if so it's inherently insecure yeah, mainly because you can "mine" at any point in the chain,without committing ressources
Apocalyptic: <BlueMeanie4> NXT isnt secure // is NXT the PoS thing ?
BlueMeanie4: its a complex subject, we explored all this stuff during the color coins discussions
BlueMeanie4: also some of their metaphors for finance are irregular, weird, and possibly broken
BlueMeanie4: generally warm to it, but i think piggybacking the block chain is ultimately doomed
BlueMeanie4: not sure if these things are particularly associated with this channel...
BlueMeanie4: so I wanted to introduce them in a package called 'Virtual Corporations' which were a crypto way of having trustees over accounts and few other features
BlueMeanie4: this is precisely the issue they were having at NXT. People issuing ponzi assets, in particular jl777
BlueMeanie4: cant say how accurate they are though
BlueMeanie4: NXT isnt secure- theyre addressing some important ideas that have been floating around for a while- but not doing it securely or faithfully
BlueMeanie4: im far too honest for the crypto world
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assbot: /hashtag/BTER?src=hash got hacked, hacker stole 5% of all /hashtag/NXT?src=hash. hacker sending ransom demands to BTER team using the NXT /hashtag/blockchain?src=hash: https://t.co/7mdXkp2lL4
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BlueMeanie4: ok so read that WOT page- doesnt describe the instruments
BlueMeanie4: is there some kind of docs for this?
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asciilifeform: any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well.
asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu they also have many other similar шарашкаs here; in most cases, readily spotted with the naked eye on account of the highly-ritualized architectural style.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for << it's where they keep ft. meade. (largest employer, largest consumer of mains current, per public stats.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece << no surprises here.
ThickAsThieves: the bird was too slow
ThickAsThieves: http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/seal-steals-fish-fisherman-boat-1382810646V.gif
mircea_popescu: An old man at the Folies Bergere had a jock, a most wondrous affair:It snipped off a twat-curl from each new chorus girl, and he had a wig made of the hair.
mircea_popescu: off with their heads.
fluffypony: arrest them!
mircea_popescu: into the unsuspecting homes of erryday goodfolk.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "An old electronic designer had designs on a minor named Dinah. He couldn't carry them out for his prick was too stout, and too small was the minor's vagina."
fluffypony: well I was 20 or 21 at the time
mircea_popescu: so you see what you did wrong there.
chetty: nah, not sisters with some age spread, mothering instincts kick in
fluffypony: she was from the Overprotective R Us school of thought
mircea_popescu: fluffypony has it ever occured to you that perhaps you're picking up habits and forming expectations of the world here that'll make it difficult to fit in the rest of the internets ?
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots those people, you can show them a finger, they can say what's wrong with it.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony why do they hate on you so ?
fluffypony: I wrote a couple there
mircea_popescu: But the poor little runt was engulfed in her cunt and re-born as the twin of his son.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm already a benevolent dictator in my own little fish-pond, so it's not like I need to concern myself with those governmental humans that consider themselves my leaders :-P
fluffypony: but beyond that I ignore them
ThickAsThieves: stuff about the dealership
ThickAsThieves: i was waiting at the auto repair shop a few mos ago and an old man was writing and reading limericks to me
HeySteve: there's a few I'd trust to ensure basic infrastructure is maintained and expanded as necessary
fluffypony: a country led by somone incompetent at least has a chance to be propped up by the few competent ones in the middle tiers of governance
fluffypony: a country led by a visionary will be let down by the incompetence of those executing that vision
fluffypony: over sinister and devious in the name of "protection"
fluffypony: HeySteve: Zuma is no worse than Obama signing off on what the NSA does - at least what Zuma does is blatant and obvious, and not sinister and hidden
HeySteve: mircea_popescu is English fairly widely spoken there?
Vexual: 256 ghanan kids in '65 scored 79iq drawing a man: 128 drew them with 3 legs
mircea_popescu: no, but you can probably find work, seeing how 60%ish of the population works in the gray and black market.
punkman: mircea_popescu: are the convenience stores selling bitcoin already?
chetty: you move the market
HeySteve: friends with a family from there, heard a lot of good things
HeySteve: looking for the right place to move to
xmj: mircea_popescu: democracy is the mob in charge
mircea_popescu: nero isn't the fucking mob. nero is just nero.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, i mean from where i'm sitting it looks pretty bad and with a worse outlook, then fluffy is all like happy go lucky everything will be fine.
xmj: HeySteve: kleptocracy is yet another name for democracy
HeySteve: not at the coast like fluffypony
mircea_popescu: o you live there too ?
HeySteve: well I'd say we have a kleptocracy here, and the results have been poor
mircea_popescu: the azn tigers are simply the net effect of a mob getting in power and pushing the gas to the floor.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve that's a complicated argument. the scant examples for your azn theory, for instance, all come from mobsters.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.// holder recently talked about how horrid it was when he got stopped and searched, the fail is that whites get stopped to but thats 'normal', blacks are only stopped because they are black ...
HeySteve: dumb mobsters may do well for themselves, but they'll drive a nation down if they're too dominant
mircea_popescu: no. in all of them, will and poverty are related. this is why determined but unintelligent mobsters do well everywhere all the time,
assbot: IQandtheWealthofNations--LynnandVanhanen--datatableofnationalmeanIQstudiessummarizedbySteveSailer
HeySteve: http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm <- worth a look when trying to guess the future of nations
xmj: mircea_popescu: yes, all of them.
assbot: Green Bean Stew - Another South African classic! - My Easy Cooking
fluffypony: http://www.my-easy-cooking.com/2010/04/13/green-bean-stew-another-south-african-classic/
xmj: i'm currently reading my way through The Bell Curve, it's illuminating.
xmj: fluffypony: if your parents are idiots there's a 40%-80% chance you're an idiot yourself
mircea_popescu: got any example where the people with a good excuse generally went off the dole and built something ?
fluffypony: it's been, what, 80 years since slavery went out the window?
fluffypony: yeah the US is an interesting case
mircea_popescu: and you don't even live there.
mircea_popescu: take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.
mircea_popescu: the justifications lake was never drawn dry.
fluffypony: then you have a shit childhood because your parents are idiotic or because of circumstances, not because of something that happened in the past
mircea_popescu: but after the African Bank bailout, why would anyone pay up on anything they owe to a bank there ? uncollateralized i mean.
fluffypony: in another 1 or 2 or 3 generations that excuse no longer holds water
fluffypony: because they had a shit childhood as a direct or indirect result
fluffypony: but they still carry baggage
mircea_popescu: fluffypony is this predicated on the general theory that the world is by and large a friendly place and most seeds once planted reach maturity and fruition ?
fluffypony: xmj: I think there will be a to-and-fro for a few more generations - whether it does a "slippery slope" on either side of the scale remains to be seen, but once its worn itself out and theres more social equilibrium it'll be stable
mircea_popescu: lol ok. most of the people at katyn were eu citizens too.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the timelines are also interesting - if it goes to shit we'll be out long before it gets there
xmj: fluffypony: just make sure you have enough cash to bribe your way out, and a guy who can drive you through obstacles like borders and has been in the infantry.
mircea_popescu: jewland too. it's just not in the cards for that continent, having civilised countries there.
Vexual: 20 million dead and half at the border from lead poisoning
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, how's stuff there ?
usagi: Well what do you mean then tat?
usagi: But in any other case, if you give someone your gold and they pay you to hold it, the deal is that at some point in the future you won't be able to get it back
usagi: The only way I can imagine someone paying you to invest your gold with them is if they were selling it for an inflated price. I used to do that with TU.SILVER, I front-loaded my fee and the shipping cost into the share price
punkman: private key being the gps coordinates
usagi: So who's going to hold your gold... Normally you have to pay for such a service but here come these nice people offering to pay you money to hold it for you
usagi: If the wrong people find out it's in your house, they will come and get it from you (and they will, and they will get it)
chetty: <usagi> actual and perceived value being completely different..//being the root of much evil
usagi: It's actually impossible to ever redeem it. But the banks promise that they will buy back the gold you have on account with them should you want to sell it
usagi: actual and perceived value being completely different.. in the case of the bank the perceived value is probably very high.. The banks around here have been doing the same sort of thing for years
chetty: <usagi> Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value//only if your promise has value
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usagi: Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value
usagi: Well steve, there is a difference between zero value and positive zero
usagi: Almost every single word in the sentence is wrong
usagi: "In other words, for the first time "holding" gold will pay a dividend (or in this case, interest)."
Vexual: id wager theres more buddhists than whatever you do
Vexual: i aint the dalai lama
Vexual: they're going about things all wrong
mircea_popescu: invent a condom package that detects eager sluts, save on all the rohypnol biz.
Vexual: yep, you're in the wrong place
Vexual: put your fingers in the drink
assbot: PLOS ONE: The Science of Style: In Fashion, Colors Should Match Only Moderately
mircea_popescu: Vexual you saying the dorks in the photo are moles working for the international directorate of date rape ?
Vexual: it got swapped out earlier in the evening
Vexual: best trick is, the nail polis doesn't work
mircea_popescu: "An undergraduate team at North Carolina State University might have just revolutionized your make-up drawer. The four students are working to develop a"
Vexual: horse: ill watch the cat
Vexual pats the nice doge
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punkman: don't go hiding under the bed now
SuchWow: you're not the one +ving me
SuchWow: the people +ving me know who i am lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece.
BingoBoingo: All this time you've imagined the fault was in others curiosity about you, when the problem is joining a channel and imagining people won't be curious
SuchWow: right i get that. what does that have to do with the conversation you all had with me earlier?
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: While the "core devs" endlessly debate a utxo command... Bluemat introduced a subnet for miners that allows them some optimization that has had the potential to be there all along.
SuchWow: because i've read both, and i don't see the comparison
BingoBoingo: It wasn't one of the muppets doing something useless and taking it on that the foundation was forced to highlight, but Bluematt introducing an if you can mine this helps, but otherwise things are as they always have been
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
BingoBoingo: The SuchWow conversation was much like why I found this situation so lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ when I linked it yesterday
mircea_popescu: they got that!
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole | A person who constantly talks to their Google Glass, ignoring the outside world. Glasshole: "Glass do this, Glass do that." Co-rider: Shut the fuck up and enjoy the ...
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SuchWow: and possibly it IS explained in the topic. but whoever reads that lol
BingoBoingo went quiet from the time logs were introduced to the time MP started the Eve corp... pretty sure other people miss my silence
mircea_popescu: decimation i never really gas about the race politics in the us, so all this is news to me.
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Basically the main problem here is... There's a premium set on being sure who is speaking
mircea_popescu: decimation seems you have a much stronger point than originally thought, re the 99%.
SuchWow: i get the ideal here
fluffypony: maybe - but then shouldn't I have 0 credits?
mircea_popescu: The stories all take place in the town of Gini, Virginia, with the intro sequence showing a large sign displaying: Welcome to Gini Proud to be a Diverse and Vibrant Community.
SuchWow: i'll stop bitching in the meantime
SuchWow: way too much work, and i'm too drunk.i guess just up me when you want, and should the day come that i care, i'll set all that up
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/on-selling-bitcoin-the-idea/
mircea_popescu: doth not mean they now vote democrat.
mircea_popescu: if the democrat party puts up a 2nd generation korean dude for presidency, 99% of koreans will vote with him
decimation: yeah you are right, in Maryland the actual number was 97%
SuchWow: i will read the wiki
mircea_popescu: in the sense that with a 99% block you have nothing to gain, but a lot to lose.
SuchWow: what is the GPG
mircea_popescu: decimation both. they doin't vote 99% for one, and if they did, their oppinions would be relevant.
SuchWow: it's cool i'll play the game
mircea_popescu: SuchWow basically, the infrastructure is new, and there isn't an answer for everoyne's needs. you're a poster child for this problem.
decimation: mircea_popescu: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true. << what part, the 99% or the irrelevant?
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decimation: I guess I started all this. One way of remaining silent in the face of being upped - is to remain silent