mircea_popescu: o wow look at this poor bluemeanie dude, he loves me all over the log then i come in and am like all mean to him.
BingoBoingo: "There is no principle difference between the ideal treatment for slaves captured in war and of children born in traditional families, both are people chained to their captors by some imagined debt, of which they personally have not acquiesced." << Interesting, if this is a roughly worthwhile translation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips. << i would imagine you dribble rather than dip.
mircea_popescu: the best construction i can put on it is, "hey, the whiteknighting virgin geeks have finally found a way to express their usual "a guy that really loves and respects you and cares" derpage into bitcoin form"
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising << makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: sadly the guy has a bitcoin address as a coinbase wallet and a pgp but no wot. wtf.
mircea_popescu: collect money from well to do white people, trick aspirational hispanos into working for free to "prove themselves", show a profit.
abathingape: http://connect.customer.mheducation.com/wp-content/themes/mhc/a/i/more-As-and-Bs-Lower_w_Numbers-72dpi.png
mircea_popescu: Thus, the altcoin communities are not just embarrassing, but dangerous. Desperately wishing to be taken seriously despite having nothing worthwhile to offer, they will say absolutely anything to convince other people to join them. They persist in saying things easily refuted by economic logic, common sense, or verifiable facts.
mircea_popescu: hey have developed a series of fallacies capable of fooling newcomers into joining them, but they are all disingenuous.
mircea_popescu: more a function of what had been on tv that week / what the person picked up from google finance.
BingoBoingo: Back then it didn't much matter what people called their own things as those labels were rarely accurate
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol the past! "Sep 04 22:37:31 * ciuciu (~chatzilla@96.127.204.194) has joined #bitcoin-assets"
fluffypony: it's different when you're out there and active and not staring at a screen all day
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'm curious what you'd be like if there was no coffee for a week or two.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your article, there was at least another scam derpopoulous pushed. can't seem to recall wtf it was tho.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sharkbite-300x187.jpg << you know those bitcoin vignettes added on pictures would look a lot better if they were on transparent background.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine. << lulz
asciilifeform: presumably not counting the degenerate cases (e.g. private keys) ?
asciilifeform had some very entertaining conversations with the fellow about peculiarities of american law, as practiced
asciilifeform: though, afaik, not the variety that argues cases.
ThickAsThieves: my cat just brought my wife's sports bra to me from across the house, waddling its front legs as it dragged in front in its mouth
keows: then i read again and im sad panda
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keows: will the WOT prevail?
mircea_popescu: lol funny how the emotional balance works.
xanthyos: i got the anger out and now all i have is shame.
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mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/22/chilean_paper_says_microsoft_crushed_local_open_source_bill/
xanthyos: hm seems i've been banned from -otc, guess the scammers in there are looking to preempt something
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xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal
asciilifeform: (among others)
decimation: the xilinx board?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah most folks don't realize the limitations of adc's, especially when it comes to dynamic range issues
BingoBoingo: "Next, Golubic contacted Sony/BMG Latin, one of the few American labels that produces narcocorridos,and the label offered one of its up-and-coming acts, Les Cuates deSinaloa."
BingoBoingo awaits the Bitcoincorridos
mircea_popescu: because if it's not illegal, they'll all get impregnated aged 16
asciilifeform: aha the olympics thread
mircea_popescu: instead, it decides if you may force them to take it.
mircea_popescu: you presume to know who the slaves are.
asciilifeform: economic reasons >> so long as the slaves get the right kind of marching powder (i.e., with the requisite proportion of meth to opium) - what economic reasons ?
mircea_popescu: but i don't believe you'll ever be able to run a place where drugs (the actual sort) are legal, for purely economic reasons.
mircea_popescu: the establishment had a different set of data.
mircea_popescu: THAT WAS MOSTLY NOT ACCEPTED AS DATA at the time.
decimation: "on the basis of holy data" << oglaf's princeling is searching for holy data to generalize upon as well :)
mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, there's relatively little useful stuff these singers/songwriters can do.
asciilifeform most people taking it will scrub << wonders what kind of 'public education' films will be made about, e.g., logic analyzers, when these are banned
decimation: to me, if one is going to improve on the "only in general" then one is going to have to better than Kant, Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Leibniz, etc.
mircea_popescu: because somehow they've decided "data" is a substance, it's no longer fit for the thinking man to generate data, and so no more of things like the excellent field reports people like saussure and levi-strauss dedicated their lives to
mircea_popescu: decimation people got hacked lately with this "only the general is important" rootkit. it meshes well with the divinsation of data-in-se
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decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah there's banality and there's also constant generalization. I realize he's trying to write generally, but it comes close to old-man ranting
asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there are guys that thing all ages should be legal.
asciilifeform: surely someone is campaigning to have meth brought back to the masses.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you have a different writing style. you don't set off the 'derp' alarm, you set off the 'wait, wtf is he on about' alarm, which generally results in an interpretation excercise
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. they scrub things clean.
asciilifeform: are there meth activists ?
asciilifeform: perhaps the next pill, 'D-X,' will be a meth and thc combo
mircea_popescu: wasn't this the poster for medical pot ? it helps fibromyalgia ?
ThickAsThieves: it's for people who beat up their bodies and are susceptible to it, i'm guessing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your stuff typically includes sufficient meth to drown out the opium.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << does this happen with my stuff too ?
decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience.
asciilifeform: 'At first the members of the punishment battalion whistled and sang songs. [But] most of them had collapsed after the first 24 hours.'
BingoBoingo: The recreational term I think is "speedballing"
BingoBoingo: Including just enough for some analgesia masks side effects of the amphetamine activating all kinds of catecholamine receptors it wasn't intended to
mircea_popescu: if well chosen the opiate is more selective.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> undiscriminatory ? << Hits receptors without much regard for location in the body
BingoBoingo: The itching, and fatigue... injury..
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the one that rolled the meth together with an opiate, and maybe a few other things
mircea_popescu: i mean THE money.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net << this is a great read btw, because look! look how desolate the field was, just ten short years ago,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The germans had a pill...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the soldier can only carry one pill, what modern replacement psychostimulator would suffice ?
BingoBoingo: Well now there's options like methylphenidate, modafinil, and all sorts of other imposters
mircea_popescu: no they haven't lol.
mircea_popescu: "theoretical physicists calculate the imaginary part of schroedinger function collapses for various items in their room and then convert it all to matrix form to go to sleep"
mircea_popescu: but i enjoyed looking at the pictures.
mircea_popescu: admittedly i couldn't really do the exercises
asciilifeform has the collection
mircea_popescu: i had THE COLLECTION.
asciilifeform: if i saw a mosquito for the first and only time, i'd probably laugh at it too
mircea_popescu: lol it bothers you ?
asciilifeform would love to buy a (yes) bowdlerized compendium of taleb, with all the annoying 'i'm the strongest man alive, grasp my throbbing cock!' crapola snipped out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck windows.
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asciilifeform: now it's SOP among the resistance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually the ukrs started really calling themselves that in the '90s, when they wrote the hilarious schoolbooks about 'ancient ukrs, they fought rome!'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans. << I like the flack vest clearly labeled "Press"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why's the reporter so fucking excited lol
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asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRM7OZktALE << column of captive urks led through donetsk. water truck washes road after them, just like they did in the '44 parade after captured germans.
BingoBoingo: "Non-Euclidean Geometry for Babies is intended to introduce babies to the basics of Euclid's Geometry, and supposes that the so-called "Parallel Postulate" might not be true. "
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mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, de retz has some mentions in his memoirs, to the same principle.
mircea_popescu: the owner of one figuring it's better to keep the other in the hands of its current inept owner than let him lose it.
mircea_popescu: i think balzac is the first to describe it. some small sleepy country town somewhere, with two printing licenses
asciilifeform isn't suggesting that the pliable idiot stratagem is a brilliant one that everyone should imitate - just pointing out its age.
mircea_popescu: millions of country boys had to be assembled in the choir invisible to rectify the mistakes of two inept diplomats.
mircea_popescu: what's that cost him ? the great patriotic war.
mircea_popescu: so, what's the gulag got stalin ? a pliable idiot.
mircea_popescu: if they worked together we'd be sitting here speaking german threatening doom to the third reich.
mircea_popescu: think of it : two major powers, with very close ideologies, the absolute leader of one in love with the absolute leader of the other, managed to go to war!
asciilifeform: pederasty doesn't make herr wales smarter, either.
asciilifeform: 'smart' wasn't the top objective, though.
mircea_popescu: you know ? putting some idiot's wife in the gulag doesn't make him suddenly smart.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the use of pliable folks: consider, what was vyacheslav molotov's main job qualification ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla no biggy. this is the fungible sort of work, it'll wait.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's been for many decades now the established mo of the great "nation" of the united states : to grow an inch, cut an inch off the measuring tape.
mircea_popescu: "well honey, that doesn't make them any less bums"
mircea_popescu: "why do you hang out with these bums ?" "because they're the only people that call me a beauty queen", said the ambitious teenaged slut.
mircea_popescu: obviously. but the convenience does not resolve the other angle. it's a ruinous association.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the very guy the entire clampdown on the internets exist to protect the internets for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to be perfectly fair, the guy wasn't keeping his finances in the best of orders (according to you know, the criteria required so you don't get called "a cult leader" by teh cult leadership). nevertheless, nothing nearly as bad as what the childfucker jimbo wales did in his day
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asciilifeform: (and he was publicly smeared in various ways, e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net)
cazalla: so that's why i sometimes stay in bed for a week or 2 and just sleep the depression off
mircea_popescu: cazalla care to share with the group ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of the machines per se tho.
asciilifeform: the folks pictured are бурлаки. (yes, we had a separate name for this occupation.)
mircea_popescu: even at the risk of driving down legitimate promises and capable people, the theory goes, this is still a worthwhile endeavour.
mircea_popescu: and the fiat state is predicated on the theory that productive work may be extracted out of assemblages of a trillion shitheads that by and of themselves are wholly incapable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. the fiat economy is predicated on the theory that value may be constructed out of a trillion promises that each on and of itself is worthless
mircea_popescu: on one hand because it is actually very limited on th edirect, on the other hand because it is very affraid to use even the little it has lest a hb rehash.
asciilifeform pictured 'complaint' wankers, rather than nsa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's all social engineering. the nsa does not have any technical capbility worth the mention.
asciilifeform would still like to know who, approximately, is likely to bring approximately what kind of siege weapon to his gates before dusting off the box kept for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: that's immaterial. the threat defense, however, will be an array of geographically distributed servers which someone will have to shepherd the ircd on.
mircea_popescu: this thing seems to hold true in the most perverse and unexpected of applications.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know there's this pesky rule of nature that the more one speaks the less one knows.
mircea_popescu: that's an easy sell if there ever was one.
mircea_popescu: so end the glorious sunday pronouncements, join us next sunday for nude frolicking in the grass and fire spitting.
mircea_popescu: and therefore! whosoever knoweth well the workings of the irc demon and how to set it up let me know, for we shall have a plan b, and our plan b shall take over the earth!
mircea_popescu: knoweth ye, that while it is unlikely for freenode to buckle, more than anything because its brains are so scattered it's unlikely to manage to gather enough management to do anything, nevertheless this isn't a reason to not build parachute
mircea_popescu: pronouncement #b : and then he spake thus : ye knoweth the evil people of the world know no rest, for the very fire of hell scorches their gullets on the inside so they may never sit quietly in a room. and therefore it will come to pass that they will put pressure on freenode, starting for instance last thursday.
mircea_popescu: pronouncement #1 : and he said unto them lo! that bitbet now allows searching by weight of bets!
BingoBoingo: *themed
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron on the dams!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: jewland too. it's just not in the cards for that continent, having civilised countries there. << myeah. move jews and boers to south america already.
abathingape: "...due to work being much more busy than expected (especially in the last 3 years)."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: I mean if the situation for the blacks improved... would there be a Ferguson? << read the lulziest headline on a national newspaper yesterday "blacks still aren't equal to whites. some think obama should do more."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: not that horses are cheap, but at least the ride in teams properly
pete_dushenski: they're $2k a piece
pete_dushenski: hipster at least desire the company of others, unlike anyone who uses grinding wheels
asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this.
asciilifeform: real hipsters ride horses << nah. they ride... grinding wheels. e.g., http://www.robotee.com/image/NEWS/31020_SoloWheel_timthumb.jpg
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/24/pretense-of-bitcoin-regulation-stalls-again-this-week/
asciilifeform: he confuses the shoddy nature of modern computers with bitcoin as a technology, which can and will exist independently from today's crap-o-soft << this.
jurov: ah they said nothing about sausages
kakobrekla: my drivers license expired recently, havent gone through the bureaucracy of extending it yet so ima bit grounded - do you have a car here or how do you get around
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jurov: but then, it implies he's bi?
xmj: i didn't bring them unwarranted gifts
BingoBoingo: bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time would be appropriate gifts to bear xmj
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jurov: lives somewhere there
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Such a thing would probably one of the most usefull things the environment around ATC could have, since... This thing trades slow
xmj: decimation: I'm currently in Ljubljana, it's not that much of a stretch to go there the next couple of days
pete_dushenski: ok, so berlin then
xmj: pete_dushenski: i'm currently considering the area of Eindhoven NL
xmj: pete_dushenski: you missed the part where i was asking for germanic/anglosaxon hemisphere
decimation: the book comes off as a combination of "listen to the wisdom of your elders" and "get off my lawn"
decimation: in the case of bitcoin, I think he confuses the shoddy nature of modern computers with bitcoin as a technology, which can and will exist independently from today's crap-o-soft
decimation: yeah I get his point that old stuff is better, but sometimes a new technology does come along. While he derides electronics, it is clear that man will be making integrated circuits until the end of time (unless a better technology supersedes it)
pete_dushenski: independent quebec could produce all the same things they currently do: flour, maple syrup, construction management
pete_dushenski: taleb's too distracted by the shenanigans in his homeland
pete_dushenski: decimation: to the extent that bitcoin is short usd, taleb would love it to the extent that he could be bothered to understand it
decimation: anti-fragile by taleb has some interesting points. I wonder if he would consider bitcoin "fragile". In one sense, it is fragile because its current implementation relies on fragile computers and somewhat poorly wrought software. In another sense, it is strongly anti-fragile because it benefits from any event that casts doubt on the ability of nation-states to manage their own scrip.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pete_dushenski: The20YearIRCloud: Eh, gdp between 2nd world and 3rd world is huge, much easier to pay some PMCs and take over a african despot than say kazachstan << reminds me of when elbonia went from a 2nd world country from a 3rd. the only difference being that now they had enough food and were starting to get picky about it.
assbot: Someone bemoaned that there were so few women in economics. But there are also very few men in economics.
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
decimation: themselves. However, as in everything else, instead of coming to the ineluctable reactionary conclusions, they try to talk about it in ways that they hope it will get them status points and sympathy from progressives."
decimation: re: handle's rant on the black rioting: http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/procrustean-rashomon/#comment-4591 << Vladimir has a great comment: "On the other hand, libertarians and conservatives often have some vague intuitive understanding of the real issue, i.e. that the change in policing is just another manifestation of the sad fact that Americans and other Anglos are no longer a free people capable of governing
mod6: i'd be preferable to me if x-bt would provide that in the JSON
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Doesn't sound like the worst thing.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Well, I see we've gotten a few blocks since the switch, so... Improvement
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.11 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 642.91 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.78 TH/s
kakobrekla: the overhead on that thing...
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I gave up on that pool. It was getting worse. I'm solo-mining to that address for the moment. I started writing a playbook so I can deploy pools easily, and I'll hopefully finish it after work today.
fluffypony: and in the end I wasn't very impressed with it
kakobrekla: they are?
Vexual: well if you're not busy tommorrow, perhaps you could make another exchange too
RagnarDanneskjol: the worst. I hate it
assbot: therealaltcoin/altcoin GitHub
RagnarDanneskjol: does anyone know if github reflects the latest atc ver? https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin
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punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: cool, nobody needs another ripple clone
RagnarDanneskjol: I think I got China to seriously consider the circular multilat barter platform you recommended. many thanx for that
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: The transparency it affords is exceedingly desirable.
RagnarDanneskjol: BingoBoingo - are you sure p2pool is the preferred platform?
BingoBoingo: Well, you still plan on throwing us a less terrible p2pool? When the digging is done?
mircea_popescu: aite ima go dance in the rain. later.
BingoBoingo: ~6 hours and 50 minutes ago was the last mined block for our pool
RagnarDanneskjol: sorry, I thought you ran the pool as well - I meant pool software
RagnarDanneskjol: X-Rob - what platform do you use for the pool?
nubbins`: ah, the future
asciilifeform: also diffraction gratings. but the diffraction above happens in your own eye.
asciilifeform: conceivably, cat (with a rather differently structured eye) sees rather different ones.
asciilifeform: some of what you see 'fuzz' around the edges is actually diffraction patterns that form in your own eye.
asciilifeform: re: cat & laser: experiment. turn on a laser pointer in a dark room; look at the edges of the spot. take picture of same with camera. notice difference.
nubbins`: I asked Dirty Mark where he got the name from: “I dunno, probably because I’ve fucked a lot of bitches without condoms and I may shit my pants from time to time.”
mircea_popescu: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/img/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/cargo-cult.jpg << pretty great pic
nubbins`: did you get to the part where he eats rotting chunks of lamb yet?
ThickAsThieves: they recently intoduced futures and margin and stuff i think
mircea_popescu: lions and such are panthera, different type
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is there a bitbet ?