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ben_vulpes: what's the "no congress shall be held to the agreements of a previous congress" citation?
mircea_popescu: all these fucking successful derps for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: so i figure why no give clueless noobs a chance. send an order " http://mediaparty.info/2014/ << find the afterparty". half hour later, "i can't find anything. nobody is sayinga word on sm, there's ONE picture of a guy and some wine on twitter without enough background to find where it is or anything".
MolokoDeck: the way i've done it makes it somewhat stand-alone. if the public key registry is replaced it would be general cryptocontracts.
MolokoDeck: I presume gribble uses the wot api.
MolokoDeck: instead I'm using the wot API and the associated public key server, adding the public key to the bot's keyring each time a contract is validated, then verifying the signatures.
MolokoDeck: actually, if one invites Tao_Jones in here and voices the bot some of these functions already work.
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Fri Aug 29 20:36:13 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
MolokoDeck: not sure I want the test server's URL going into a channel log though.
MolokoDeck: I can show you the unit tests doing that.
MolokoDeck: since the idea of a cryptocontract is that it's unenforceable and the value of performing as per the contract is one's reputation, it seemed important to make sure the claimed signatories are probably the signatories.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 03:25:41; gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
ben_vulpes: i don't even recall the name of the suit.
ben_vulpes: does anyone have a link to the lawsuit by the guy who sued the usg for the gold they 'borrowed'?
MolokoDeck: simply having valid signatures doesn't guarantee that the people who made the contract signed it. which is why I'm using wot as an authority to find the registered keys for the parties asserted to have been signatories.
mircea_popescu: in the endless desert of logs
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck it cabn, gimme a sec to find the solution.
MolokoDeck: if the signatures could be extracted from the document without knowing the corresponding public key, which I'm getting out of the public key registry that wot uses, that would be good.
MolokoDeck: then the bot would return an SHA256 hash of the document, encode it as a bitcoin address and make a minimum non-spendable transaction, and log to a repository or blog the document with the sha256 hash and the transaction ID containing the encoded hash, and the block number it's in. It would wait to get a confirmation before doing this so the transaction would be in the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: it would extract the nicks from the signatures in the .txt. the mechanism to do this relies on gribble, did you see that ping ?
MolokoDeck: the bot would respond that all of the cryptosignatures of the listed nicks were registered with #bitocin-otc, their public key hashes matched and all the signatures were good.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck nevermind what one wants, say what the thing does.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl otherwise, the point that "bitcoin is the chosen" by the very code is quite sound and an intelligent way to go about it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl " This got me thinking about the topic, so I decided to write up some thought I had on the subject a while ago." <<< the "i decided" device is the absolute worst intro mechanism for a blog post possible. it connotes this guy : http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/
MolokoDeck: ready to talk about details for completing the cryptocontract bot. most of the unit tests are in place, but it's a good idea to fill in any desiderata or necessities to reasonable detail.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDeck hey. so as i was telling RagnarDanneskjol, i have no problem covering you if you can deliver the thing by what was it, end of sept ?
assbot: Of mendacity, mold, bugs and other things. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The Coinbase Blog Coinbase Insured
gribble: The operation succeeded.
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pls ping me when yur back in the hood
kakobrekla: yeah they called themselfs fags back then iirc
assbot: Beards In, Mullets Out – The Maneater
jurov: with caveat thet ETA for rigorous spec is Inf
jurov: actually i realized bitcoin is the only software project with milestones going sooner than expected
jurov: dunno why they don't extrapolate from sliding window or such
jurov: obv they don't count with 20% increases
BingoBoingo: Fucking 20% diff increases, going to make the halving cum early
BingoBoingo: 630 being the area code and not the number of messages.
ben_vulpes: probably the wise thing.
BingoBoingo: Already been deleted. If the FBI wants to investigate a FERPA violation they can check my phone records, like they probably already are doing and check out those 630 phone numbers
BingoBoingo: It reads like some teachers gossiping about their students.
thestringpuller: who si they?
BingoBoingo: They are sending photos of text
ben_vulpes: they're texting photos of van?
BingoBoingo: So this is really odd. The messages are fucking pictures of text. It's like these fuckers are texting over van-ads. What the fuck.
BingoBoingo: Even though I already treat the phone as tainted by design
jurov: the messages were empty?
jurov: did the client buy shell access? no? case dismissed.
ben_vulpes: assume that client a has the most cash flowing through the box by 2 orders of magnitude. is hosting company b's behavior reasonable?
ben_vulpes: client brings in consultants to look at their security, and consultants ask for shell access to the server on which client sites are running. hosting company b flat declines consultants access to hardware.
ben_vulpes: there's client a, hosting company b, and consultants c
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in the meantime, feel welcome to try it personally
asciilifeform: from the published circuit, it seems to be asking for it.
thestringpuller: so basically you're attempting to hack the trezor via DPA?
thestringpuller: actually I think a 5 year old could understand the wiki article
asciilifeform: thestringpuller ^
gribble: Power analysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_analysis>; Differential Power Analysis - Cryptography Research: <http://www.cryptography.com/public/pdf/DPA.pdf>; Introduction to Differential Power Analysis and Related Attacks: <http://www.cryptography.com/public/pdf/DPATechInfo.pdf>
jurov: well, they will be like "of course don't use with untrusted cables"
asciilifeform: jurov: just tap a cheap microusb cable on the 'thin' end.
asciilifeform: jurov: strictly speaking you don't need to open the unit for this.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: a bit of hiss, with likely a few bits of key mixed in.
asciilifeform: jurov: watch the usb ground pin.
asciilifeform no longer needs to buy the machine
asciilifeform: ^ interesting things here for the alert reader
gribble: User 'slush', with keyid 71D5C7F995DA2743, fingerprint 79BE846DC805C820FAD332CA71D5C7F995DA2743, and bitcoin address 1NQZT6jh3igPBME7T4ujejZGxdbjMub9DE, registered on Mon Apr 11 19:49:01 2011, last authed on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=slush . Currently not authenticated.
thestringpuller: is the trezor guy in wot?
asciilifeform: jurov: consider posting a photo of the internals
devthedev: I'm having trouble with the mytrezor site
TomServo wonders what the 3 musketeers saying has to do with anything.
kakobrekla: taaki also does not fail to mention the word.
TomServo: Well at least they got that going for them.
TomServo: Lachance’s web page about the camp lists only three rules, and one is: “Dogecoin must be pronounced ‘dogh-gee-coin’, not ‘dohj-coin’.”
punkman: "“The Bitcoin leader was arrested right before Burning Man ’cause he was maybe helping the FBI, and … Anyway, we’re the Dogecoin Camp now,” "
BingoBoingo: Wouldn't have the same impact if it were a glue horse.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's kind of the point of the horse head. Khartoum was a very expensive horse.
asciilifeform: (horse heads are expensive these days)
assbot: The “Worthless Currency Exchange” at Burning Man’s Camp Bitcoin | Re/code
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: i have vi aliased to vim. but the underlying of vim (vi) is old
asciilifeform: didn't even notice the ad on the barrel until took it apart (pen wouldn't fit through base hole of instrument that needed a plinth drilled to mount it, took out nib)
kakobrekla: and how 'fast' is the pen?
punkman: did you check the pen for backdoors?
kakobrekla: they forgot to put the label off
asciilifeform: consignment of coke & virgins from the fuhrer is late.
punkman: asciilifeform: is the cardano late because you can't figure out how to backdoor it?
TomServo: The truth is finally revealed!
danielpbarron: it's actually really boring; it just looks interesting from the few public fragments
kakobrekla: ba failed to provide for the receptionist.
TheNewDeal: thestringpuller vi and not vim?
thestringpuller: The world keeps moving forward while I hack in vi which is older than all of us except mircea_popescu
gribble: Fuck you, I'm a dragon! - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Fuck_you,_I'm_a_dragon!>; Starblade Enkai - WikiFur, the furry encyclopedia: <http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Starblade_Enkai>; Fuck you, I'm a Dragon.: <http://peasy93.tumblr.com/>
ben_vulpes: world keeps moving forwards while you're playing at being a dragon, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: there's a nexus 10 now?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik the dx is out of production, but can still be had.
kakobrekla: yeah i think ill have to cover for that in the end. :)
thestringpuller: ddue what the actual fuck just happened?
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2014 20:28:18; asciilifeform: 1btc for the motherland.
pankkake: the /./ is rewritten as / by most software, but I'm not doing any special processing to the url
ben_vulpes: never mind pankkake. sorry to bother everyone.
ben_vulpes: they also emailed me my password in plaintext
pankkake: the sony ones looked interesting, but they are stopping making them
kakobrekla: these book readers you keep talking about, which is the one to get atm
pankkake: I didn't think the links would change
pankkake: ok, I updated the URL + your nick
assbot: missives from the post-megastate frontier
ben_vulpes: i derped a feed together for cascadianhacker.com
pankkake: ben_vulpes: me, it's fed by the http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ updater
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"
ben_vulpes: ;;late tell pete_dushenski also: "if it ain't about money i go/nowhere i'm nailed to the floor"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "it's going down it's going down like there's a whale in the boat"
pankkake: why not. just fill them early enough so the tx fee won't be too high
pankkake: well that's why there's Calibre, it should convert it to another format
asciilifeform: (although the latest unofficial russian patch for 'kindle dx' mostly works, if a bit laggy)
asciilifeform: these typically don't come with the cpu horsepower to unpack djvu
pankkake: I have a rather standard e-ink device
asciilifeform: buy whichever has the most pixels - and you're golden.
asciilifeform: must be such fun to read << imho this is the true purpose of the 'tablet' machines
pankkake: lol, that must be such fun to read. I think I'll buy the book ;)
asciilifeform: where do you imagine these come from? some russian kid with camera
asciilifeform: (djvu is the canonical b00k w4r3z format - wavelet compression)
kakobrekla: btw does theat shop ASSistant take shipping into account
kakobrekla: but you need to go to the last step, each time.
pankkake: I don't, I just took the first google result
Apocalyptic: the book I guess
pankkake: I should read the great masters/elders
TomServo: danielpbarron: Not a bad example I suppose. Hard to relay the context in which it was asked..closest I can come to is: Was previously balls deep in the bezzel economy and rejecting of bitcoin and has since 'saw the light', as it were.
asciilifeform: 'testing can reveal the presence [of bugs] but never the absence.'
asciilifeform: looks like conformal co. passed the 'test.'
assbot: Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP
BingoBoingo: Social engineering is the big threat.
punkman: the worst is all the otc people going "gawzirabaws iz a scammer? no wai!"
pankkake: the intention is there
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user gawzirabaws: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=gawzirabaws | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gawzirabaws | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 21:31:33 2014
punkman: I totally failed at scamming them
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: pankkake the idea is to have good sites.
mircea_popescu: punkman why is the guy trying to scam dollars anyway.
pankkake: I suppose since the ads are per site, I can't have an account for a bunch of sites? it wouldn't make sense for advertisers anyway…
mircea_popescu: interesting, who knew ads have a motivational function for the publisher.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Cool, I'll try to get something new up in the next 12 hours to try to lure more people.
punkman: TheNewDeal, got some more lulz from that scammer in the end: http://dpaste.com/2T582KP
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'm less concerned about the news site than the product they are shilling
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it's all the rage at the mahjongg club, but again, to exist that retirement house in florida needs a lot of externalities in place.
midnightmagic: Really all you're telling me is when I mention an inconvenient truth it bothers you. You know I'm right. Regardless of whether you think I matter or not.
mircea_popescu: i don't. i care enough about the perniciously castrated "o noes, don't argue boys, cocksuckers getr more done" to point out it doesn't belong in bitcoin, or generally among grown-ups.
mircea_popescu: once we've hung dutta, hearn and so forth and the bitcoin republic is well established, if you're still alive, you can come back and teach at the university or w/e you can do.
midnightmagic: No, they excised themselves and left deRaadt holding the bag.
mircea_popescu: de raadt kicked all the misbehaving doods to the curb.
mircea_popescu: look at what exactly happened in openbsd once the teeth of the nsa stooges were felt.
mircea_popescu: it only works in environments other people maintain for your benefit.
mircea_popescu: the misbehaviour is to display this sort of behavior.
midnightmagic: It works. When teams can't work directly together, as in NetBSD and OpenBSD, the two teams can cooperate very effectively as separate teams.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea it's yours, but at issue is the nonsensical "k. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done"
midnightmagic: 00:44 <+mircea_popescu> omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm not a bitcoin core dev. Are you saying *I* specifically am behaving badly, or are you using me as a bitcoin core rep to make comments about them?
mircea_popescu: when in shit, much more important than finding saints, is steadily applying nooses to the worst behaved.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Core devs behaving badly does not preclude the Conformal team behaving badly. This is not a binary condition.
mircea_popescu: but no difference, the gallows hold.
mircea_popescu: karpeles was too busy to obey too, there's a never ending string.
mircea_popescu: then six months down the road let's wonder why the asshole's stretched and there's no path back to innocence.
mircea_popescu: also your mother is a sickly whore.
mircea_popescu: omg fu derps. they're NOT behaving badly. you are.
mircea_popescu: Since Conformal doesn't act this way, either they have a like-minded funder who enjoys watching strife, or their funder doesn't know how badly they're behaving."
mircea_popescu: "Investment banks don't like people acting in ways that make them look bad. Image is everything when your customers are rich elites. The antagonism going on with the Conformal team is not maximizing the dollar value they are being paid to do work. A cooperative effort where teams share ideas and cross-pollinate with less ego gets more done.
BingoBoingo: Vexual holds either 0 or all of the coins
cazalla: http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/bitcoin_might_become_money_says_PWgFfk3KR80TEaWuRLQ52I "There are 13 million Bitcoins in circulation around the globe, with a market value of $US6.4 billion ($6.9 billion). About 7 per cent of the coins in circulation are believed to be held by Australians." I wonder how they figure that?
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, btcd is the shit. only real work being done in bitcoin. i forked the day they published last year - prompted me to learn golang, which is also the shit
assbot: unsavorygarnish comments on Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs
assbot: Conformal are the Real Bitcoin Core Devs : Bitcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: it's the legal whoors you gotta watch out for
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=objectivism | The philosophical ideals populated by Ayn Rand that a man (or woman) is only entitled to what he has earned. It also promotes the right to life, a life free from ...
pete_dushenski: ye olde exercise for the alert reader
pete_dushenski: but maybe there's a flexible and subtle enough label out there for our little world eater
pete_dushenski: that is, their label rather than their utility and ability
pete_dushenski: for -isms are the professions of things.
pete_dushenski: good question then: does bitcoin have an "-ism?"
pete_dushenski: "Fascist propagandists also attacked cultural liberalism, claiming that it encouraged moral relativism, godless materialism, and selfish individualism and thereby undermined traditional morality."
pete_dushenski: "Although circumstances sometimes made accommodation to political liberalism necessary, fascists condemned this doctrine for placing the rights of the individual above the needs of the Volk, encouraging “divisiveness” (i.e., political pluralism), tolerating “decadent” values, and limiting the power of the state."
assbot: Taittinger - Official Champagne of the 2014 FIFA WORLD CUP
pete_dushenski: a champagne brand that lives to this day and was, get this, the "official champagne of the 2014 fifa world cup"
pete_dushenski: "In 1926 Taittinger declared that the primary goal of his Patriotic Youth was to “defeat the progress of communism by any means necessary,” adding that “We defend the hierarchy of classes.…Everyone knows that there will always be different social levels, the strong and the weak, the rich and the poor, the governing and the governed.”"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Remember the journalist that quit forbes and annoys congressmen nao? What was her nick? I remember her name was Boring.
Beyond_Bitcoin: We'll be bringing on the dev from the FollowmyVote DAC that is soon to be launched
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin rift guild had a mumble, nobody really used it.
Beyond_Bitcoin: you guys really should consider stopping by the mumble
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu he seems a bit on the religious and bloody side
Beyond_Bitcoin: btw...love the name of your bot
pete_dushenski: "De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy."
pete_dushenski: "Maistre, writing in The St. Petersburg Dialogues that 'all power, all subordination rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association. Remove this incomprehensible agent from the world, and the very moment order gives way to chaos, thrones topple, and society disappears.'"
mircea_popescu: i don't recall all the others. this chick stuck because she was uniquely sensible.
mircea_popescu: <Beyond_Bitcoin> invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances <<< so was there an actual journalist ?
Beyond_Bitcoin: reallly have no reason to be valuable because they cannot really be easily transferred for services of value.
Beyond_Bitcoin: sure there are a few coins that have a few interesting ways of paying for stuff, but all altcoins are relatively "ghost towns"
Beyond_Bitcoin: with that said, if you look at cryptocurrencies as towns...bitcoin is one of the only ones with any semblance of infrastructure that accepts it.
Beyond_Bitcoin: actually not bad. i personally focus on bitshares but the server is open to others who like different tech
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas? <<< maybe. who's to know.
Beyond_Bitcoin: we have a Mumble server setup so anyone can set up their own dev hangouts, meetups and other events...invite crypto-enthusiasts and journalists to attend the events, record in real time without paying entry fees or having to travel long distances
pete_dushenski: #b-a now employs the +v model whereby you have to have a gpg registered identity and a rating from someone already in the club
pete_dushenski: Beyond_Bitcoin: the barrier to entry isn't as low as it used to be
mircea_popescu: soon decided he wants to administer the place instead.
mircea_popescu: the better explanation is that continental bureaucracy went from inept to able, and so the charles that once was content to just fuck the best whores in venice as a prize for his winnings
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates) << this is not a very good explanation.
Beyond_Bitcoin: i like the links up top to your blog(s)
Beyond_Bitcoin: thanks for that, but i mean the "assets" part
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Beyond_Bitcoin: there we go thats a good start ;)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ww2. most of the better frenchmen got shot. << i thought the point of surrendering was precisely so that this didn't happen, as it did in ww1, n'est pas?
pete_dushenski: decimation: a more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from louis armstrong to thug rap in 50 years? << dad, is that you in there?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: negrated him for pimping pirate << meh. i got the same shit from usagi. it's a badge of honour nao
pete_dushenski: well i guess there's xrays
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Also ""WARNING: Do not attempt to take any firearm into Mexico << i carried a .45 all through the us customs, into mexico and back into europe. nobody gave a shit. << dayum. did they even check the chamber?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: all hail the benevolent socialist state of oregon << ontario, biggest province, has this as well. since gm and ford went to mexico this is the only thing keeping their head above water.
assbot: Were Going To Enjoy This Cocaine-Fueled Mason Jar Rocket Ride For As Long As It Lasts | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
pete_dushenski: "now that mason jars are on top, now that my fellow executives and I are goddamn beverage conquistadors, we’re going to enjoy this cocaine-fueled rocket ride for as long as it lasts. I’m blasting off to fucking Mars, dicksuckers, and I’m headed straight through the belly of the goddamn sun!" - James E. Lillie, CEO, Ball Mason Jars
pete_dushenski: it's definitely a hybrid between the two
decimation: pete_dushenski: which is interestingly close to 'redneck', generally the hipster's enemy
pete_dushenski: decimation: mircea_popescu: growing up in the 90's I witnessed Brahmin culture shift from vaguely rock 'n roll to thug rap << now it's all skinny jeans, flanel shirts, piercings, tats, and drinking from mason jars
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 13:50:52; mircea_popescu: nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine
asciilifeform: or, the traditional explanation for how italy went from an interesting place to pesthold (unification. warring states - think. unified empire - stagnates)
decimation: like haarp, the ussr provided a ready excuse for all kinds of usg spending
asciilifeform: the proverbial deer on the island where last wolf dies, etc.
asciilifeform: but this connects here not from the starvation of 'sovietologists', but the dismal fate of every 'coke' who loses his 'pepsi'
decimation: they were the least likely to find a 'job' in industry
decimation: I suspect much of the upper dod management are 'old sovietologists'
asciilifeform recently ran into the fellow who once used to own the place he lives in. the man lamented how his belt tightened when ussr popped - was 'sovietologist' of a kind
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