jdanks: Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says
jdanks: I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol
BingoBoingo: Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid.
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it.
jdanks: cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you.
cazalla: jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food
jdanks: (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha
cazalla: barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right?
jdanks: BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up.
jdanks: cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant
BingoBoingo: <jdanks> I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that
jdanks: I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar!
jdanks: My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple.
BingoBoingo: jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though.
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy
BingoBoingo: And there's more
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine!
BingoBoingo: If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger!
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo
BingoBoingo: And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao
RagnarDanneskjol: for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source.
cazalla: if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come
mircea_popescu: i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit.
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet
BingoBoingo: I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins.
BingoBoingo: What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them!
BingoBoingo: I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing.
RagnarDanneskjol: true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does
BingoBoingo: Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime.
RagnarDanneskjol: seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless"
BingoBoingo: The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something
BingoBoingo: The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning
BingoBoingo: And on many they participate as members, but not directors
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options.
punkman: so he's always been board member on the website
RagnarDanneskjol: "statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false."
BingoBoingo: punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man.
punkman: how do they even work
cazalla: but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors"
assbot: The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub
punkman: https://github.com/pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/blob/master/Bylaws/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md
punkman: in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director
punkman: to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-human-stain/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it.
mircea_popescu: punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ?
mircea_popescu: which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there.
punkman: maybe ask Matonis then?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ?
assbot: /brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A?
BingoBoingo: punkman: But that was back then.
RagnarDanneskjol: I doubt he would confirm either way
BingoBoingo: I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way.
BingoBoingo: The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no.
BingoBoingo: And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep.
BingoBoingo: Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship?
cazalla: having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock
cazalla: the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors
BingoBoingo: One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes
punkman: well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't
punkman: I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc
RagnarDanneskjol: but he gives me the creeps
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, I can visit the office anyday
BingoBoingo: Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members.
BingoBoingo: Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck.
BingoBoingo: The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD
RagnarDanneskjol: Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor
BingoBoingo: Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director.
RagnarDanneskjol: anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over
RagnarDanneskjol: none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation
BingoBoingo: lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on?
RagnarDanneskjol: please rephrase the question
RagnarDanneskjol: i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad
BingoBoingo: So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far?
BingoBoingo: I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term
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BingoBoingo: Bring the cotton out to be sole
BingoBoingo: eizodo: You realize all of these nick changes are totally visible, yes?
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts eizodo
RagnarDanneskjol: otherwise would try anx, kraken, localbtc
RagnarDanneskjol: i have some local buyers/sellers I can introduce you to punk - they are the best i have found in the business
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If you don't have apsychiatric interest it isn't the most fruitful time expendature
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Are you THE dank?
BingoBoingo: What amazes me is how many of these gems live in so many places
X-Rob: probably not that impressive now. But it was then!
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: It's amusing that the single 'LDIR' Z80 opcode took until SSE2 to be duplicated. 1 clock cycle to move any 8 bit chunk of memory around.
X-Rob: I have a pile of TRS-80's, prior to the colour computer.
BingoBoingo: Soy is the second worst fate. At least you aren't stuck on dent corn.
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p03/p/12.jpg << so this average stripper chose for herself the pr0n name "abigal mac"
mircea_popescu: (beef here is still the best in the world, no arguments possible - and yes i've lived in texas etc)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well let's see. argentine beef is world famous. they managed to lose most of their exporting contracts on the purely economic grounds of not managing to meet their minimal quotas.
gribble: Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mdxxix>; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mccxxxix>; Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very- (1 more message)
decimation: gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own
gernika: mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes.
mircea_popescu: must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist
decimation: I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions
decimation: I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management
mircea_popescu: nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh.
mircea_popescu: well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board.
BingoBoingo: I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!!
BingoBoingo: The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director
mircea_popescu: decimation senator says that's not the case :)
decimation: yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade
BingoBoingo: I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened.
mircea_popescu: im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument.
mircea_popescu: "The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. "
BingoBoingo: The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation.
mircea_popescu: upon further consideration.
cazalla: why is bobby lee not still a director then
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BingoBoingo: I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred.
mircea_popescu: maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus.
cazalla: well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look /
BingoBoingo: The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent
mircea_popescu: imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ?
mircea_popescu: gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes.
cazalla: maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino
mircea_popescu: gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ?
BingoBoingo: Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific
gernika: I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies.
decimation: or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure'
mircea_popescu: that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet.
mircea_popescu: s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance
cazalla: wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet
BingoBoingo: Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers
assbot: Overview | The Bitcoin Foundation
BingoBoingo: Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate
decimation: those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world
decimation: asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13507338
decimation: When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html
mircea_popescu: the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it,
mircea_popescu: he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly.
decimation: I only know of Cato the Elder
asciilifeform: other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road.
mircea_popescu: decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it.
asciilifeform: they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
decimation: supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse.
asciilifeform: u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
mircea_popescu: said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards.
decimation: as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours
mircea_popescu: if i were president i'd just walk there.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England
mircea_popescu: <decimation> and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite.
asciilifeform: american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year.
asciilifeform: people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years
decimation: hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."
asciilifeform: don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory.
decimation: and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part
decimation: it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane'
asciilifeform: one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time.
asciilifeform: the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty?
asciilifeform: these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like.
asciilifeform: handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand.
asciilifeform: this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house.
decimation: no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits
mircea_popescu: the variety of scent.
mircea_popescu: supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem.
decimation: usually a bad one if they had pets
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand
nubbins`: pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs
assbot: Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | delawareonline.com
decimation: heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash
BingoBoingo: Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper.
mircea_popescu: no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in.
decimation: the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught.
mircea_popescu: (such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.)
BingoBoingo: Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him
mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation
decimation: Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'
BingoBoingo: Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat
mircea_popescu: this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were.
mircea_popescu: i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street.
decimation: I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome?
mircea_popescu: hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ...
mircea_popescu: but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up
decimation: I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation.
BingoBoingo: The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist
decimation: In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that?
mircea_popescu: in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,.
decimation: hehe I didn't. but you aren't a fan of Aristotle either?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation.
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107351 << this may be of some general interest.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid.
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation.
mircea_popescu: form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore.
BingoBoingo: Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism.
BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on
BingoBoingo: xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan
BingoBoingo: It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake.
decimation: I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code'
asciilifeform: sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide.
asciilifeform: decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was
BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world.
decimation: somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away'
BingoBoingo: As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest.
asciilifeform: ah yes, the old fritz chip.