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gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Kernel_Killer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Kernel_Killer | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user <Kernel_Killer>: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing.
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BingoBoingo: <Azelphur> BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft.
BingoBoingo: The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia
assbot: Changing the Rules of a 15-Year-Old Game: Quake Live Update Causes Controversy - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/03/0021222/changing-the-rules-of-a-15-year-old-game-quake-live-update-causes-controversy << WHy sytemd can't live
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd?
mircea_popescu: <thrice> he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao.
mircea_popescu: you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!!
BingoBoingo: <dreisner> sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with.
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Systemd is the devil
mircea_popescu: eh what are you bothering people for.
mircea_popescu: pankkake as to the other matter, say http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000
mircea_popescu: pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ?
BingoBoingo: Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days
BingoBoingo: Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel
mircea_popescu: well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough.
mircea_popescu: "The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. "
assbot: Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems
mircea_popescu: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows.
assbot: Inside Noiva do Cordeiro a remote Brazilian village where nearly all the residents are women | National Post
kakobrekla: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/31/inside-noiva-do-cordeiro-a-remote-brazilian-village-where-nearly-all-the-residents-are-women/
BingoBoingo: As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody.
mircea_popescu: stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally.
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under
BingoBoingo: If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense
mircea_popescu: For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century.
mircea_popescu: anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel
mircea_popescu: "We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin.
pankkake: care to describe the "knobs"?
pankkake: that's what the log points to
mircea_popescu: i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho.
pankkake: daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere
mircea_popescu: o look, there's #systemd
pankkake: we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial
BingoBoingo: systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets.
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case.
BingoBoingo: Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps.
mircea_popescu: 19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!
BingoBoingo: The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all
BingoBoingo: Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word.
mircea_popescu: then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic.
BingoBoingo: I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware?
mircea_popescu: i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.
assbot: The Biggest Myths
mircea_popescu: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html << nah, he's not even being honest.
BingoBoingo: Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though...
mircea_popescu: no see... he's making all the wrong arguments.
mircea_popescu: and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."
mircea_popescu: "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple
mircea_popescu: Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.
BingoBoingo: There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003
mircea_popescu: it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days.
mircea_popescu: pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?
BingoBoingo: Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium
mircea_popescu: if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much!
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there.
kakobrekla: why you looking to get cut then
kakobrekla: if you are sheep, act as the master wants.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way.
mircea_popescu: putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ?
kakobrekla: <Azelphur> mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff.
pankkake: just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems
Azelphur: I'd bet on the latter
mircea_popescu: pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?
Azelphur: onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me
RagnarDanneskjol: hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright.
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday
Azelphur: pankkake: yea, there are a few
Azelphur: tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P
mircea_popescu: is tha the php encoding stuff ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :)
Azelphur: I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P
BingoBoingo: If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now
mircea_popescu: this is why they want to hire you, logically.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days...
mircea_popescu: and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8
BingoBoingo: CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right?
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it?
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features.
mircea_popescu: "Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position.
BingoBoingo: Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks
Azelphur: the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar
Azelphur: so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now
Azelphur: tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference"
mircea_popescu: "As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldnt offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (were talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!"
BingoBoingo: Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things
assbot: Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog
mircea_popescu: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ << check out angry guy.
mircea_popescu: ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told
mircea_popescu: "From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hats deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasnt been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat
BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game
mircea_popescu: these two may be related.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch.
chetty: there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us
BingoBoingo: I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm
mircea_popescu: i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating.
assbot: /mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat.
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first
BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois.
BingoBoingo: So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there:
assbot: Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other Things - YouTube
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg
BingoBoingo: Indeed there is
mircea_popescu: o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.
assbot: The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts
BingoBoingo: At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s)
mircea_popescu: what'd you have them say ?
BingoBoingo: What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter?
mircea_popescu: well... they were "french"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?
mircea_popescu: i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf.
mircea_popescu: "It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote.
mircea_popescu: well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there,
mircea_popescu: no, that's the same april thing. ok os ?
assbot: Torvalds rails at Linux developer: 'I'm f*cking tired of your code' The Register
mircea_popescu: be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that.
mircea_popescu: "11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so
mircea_popescu: dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of.
mircea_popescu: "systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot."
mircea_popescu: pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?)
mircea_popescu: "It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well"
punkman: pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck
pankkake: there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it"
pankkake: yeah, I don't know why I bother...
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ?
pankkake: have you actually checked the validity of this list?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha who the fuck designed this
mircea_popescu: By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)
mircea_popescu: systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes
pankkake: again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those
pankkake: so, retards with no idea what they are talking about
pankkake: except the distros init systems actually do that
mircea_popescu: very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things."
mircea_popescu: "1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco
mircea_popescu: i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck
mircea_popescu: "We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it."
pankkake: punkman: yeah, they're retards
BingoBoingo: pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit?
pankkake: wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what
chetty: never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing.
pankkake: yeah, the usual bullshit
BingoBoingo: .'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin
pankkake: I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that.
BingoBoingo: And not the good devil like I lovingly worship
BingoBoingo: pankkake: systemd is the devil
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: bitstein: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ happened for starters
BingoBoingo: Hearnia just opens the story
BingoBoingo: @karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb
assbot: /evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape
BingoBoingo: bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps
assbot: The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ AND you may be lost on the evidence
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon!
Azelphur: kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here.
assbot: Forcing specification through mutually disjunct implementations is the best we get. http://t.co/a6C84D4jvF /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets
assbot: I Need To Pick Your Brains... Neurotransmitter Questions - Know Your Neurotransmitters - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum
cazalla: what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit?
mircea_popescu: she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin.
BingoBoingo: The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly
chetty: Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff
mircea_popescu: that guy is a spook if there ever was one.
chetty: I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do?
BingoBoingo: " -- another paranoid forumer
BingoBoingo: These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway.
BingoBoingo: The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant!
BingoBoingo: There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...).
BingoBoingo: I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA.
assbot: The View Chicken Show - YouTube
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question?
jdanks: Can't seem to find the vid http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090725194128/familyguy/images/9/92/The_View.jpg
mircea_popescu: jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true.
BingoBoingo: The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison.
RagnarDanneskjol: didnt think they edible
jdanks: I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit?
jdanks: Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar?
BingoBoingo: jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing?
BingoBoingo: Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though
BingoBoingo: Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water