X-Rob: p2pool with coins that have ultra-short block times cause issues, as the p2pool share time is 1/10th of the coin block time
BingoBoingo: Now the COinminer ATC p2pool was configured poorly or something?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well x-rob was going to make one, but then he got high.
RagnarDanneskjol: i didn't think there was an atc p2pool avail with monitoring, etc that anyone could use
mircea_popescu: X-Rob refresh me, what's the problem with p2pool in bitcoin again ? too slow -> orphans or what was it ?
RagnarDanneskjol: chalbersma is the pool dev we discussed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's the coach, needs to be able to see.
TheNewDeal: they split it up
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: What happened to the B1G, You don't play any of [Michigan. Michigan State, Ohio SucksCocks University}
mircea_popescu: maybe you're not in the demo.
asciilifeform confesses he never once saw maryland play a game, despite living in 100 metres of where the (local half) of the games played out for 2 years, and within 5km for past 11 yrs.
TheNewDeal: I realize it was worded shitlity, but I needed to draw some light on the fact that they already lost one game
BingoBoingo: Maryland *might* beat Wisconsin if alf can shock their team just right
mircea_popescu: if they have 9 losses, it's a yes.
mircea_popescu: Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) <<< ie, if they have 5 losses, it's a yes.
BingoBoingo: But of the stretch to the Purdue game, Wisconsin should still be able to Lose to Northwestern and YEs still wins.
mircea_popescu: has there even been a game with 8 losses out of 9 ?
mircea_popescu: 2 or more losses means they need what, 2 out of 9 wins ?
mircea_popescu: what do you figure the odds to be on this ?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Were you betting on No?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i have no idea why i have to drag it out of you. you';re the upset party, you're supposed to be naturally verbose.
TheNewDeal: sports wasn't the issue. No bets being placed on soccer, while creating 50 bets was a issue
BingoBoingo: Blame sports it seems it the issue
BingoBoingo: I though it was clear that 2BTC is pretty much the new zeroconf magic number
mircea_popescu: stop pinging the poor guy spuriously. he like teaches and shit.
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kakobrekla: your universal law of sleep undisturbness is unknown to most of the world.
mircea_popescu: now im asked to credit that whether you do this for purely aesthetic reasons or otherwise makes a difference.
mircea_popescu: at some point in there you gotta admit you pretty much went "sleep, fu."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no but i mean... you gotta APPLY to these people's waking up service. job interview and all that.
mircea_popescu: you know the difference between antoinette and teh populace isn't that she's richer than them, it's that unlike them she dun care if she dies.
asciilifeform: nah, more like the difference between being told 'let them eat cake' and eating cake.
asciilifeform: bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing.
BingoBoingo: Eh, some weeks I'll sleep 3 hours. Others I'll sleep 12 a day.
asciilifeform: not sleeping because don't want yet is rather different from other people keeping you awake
asciilifeform: the observation was specifically about sleep (rather than the particular activity during the day, such as killings)
mircea_popescu: i dun credit this. you kill a guy, you've killed some guy. there's no "i had to kill him", is there ? there's no "i had to eat this icecream". you eat it, you get fat, you don't, you don't.
asciilifeform: in case #2, just as you might feel like it, the bells might well ring.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. << I prefer to think of my car as an ablative Iron Man suit that protects me from exertion and damage at high speeds
asciilifeform: irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve.
asciilifeform: 'The Parrot and the Carrot one may easily confound / They're very much alike in looks and similar in sound, / We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, / For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.'
BingoBoingo: Vetrinarian is almost like the parody orthopod
mircea_popescu: dude rly ? this chick is easily the most annoying shrill pest at any party.
BingoBoingo: Well, I dunno that Bitcoin has made it too far into medicine yet aside from that Dr. Goss guy with the MyBitcoin fiasco
mircea_popescu: "She even managed to gracefully handle the incessant "point of order" type questioning from the one guy in the back, who always has to ask a stream of arcane academic questions that are irrelevant to anyone living in the real world."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was a false alarm on the reporter, confused him with a nearly indistinguishable reporter for Conde Nast
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that video needs to be run through the google dewigglifier
BingoBoingo: Tim's the one with Vox
assbot: W/o getting too mushy, this is the best job Ive ever had & my coworkers are the best bunch of folks Ive ever had the privilege to work with
assbot: A big chunk of the Sierra Nevada caught fracturing on video | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/a-big-chunk-of-the-sierra-nevada-caught-fracturing-on-video/ << California begins breaking off into the ocean
mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up
punkman: someone tried to scam me as `punkman, just how high are these idiots
kakobrekla: whats with the double o, i dont know
BingoBoingo: "Best part of that bet: The "scams" link lists the highest volume USD (Bitfinex) exchange as a scam AND it lists Coinbase as a scam."
mircea_popescu: "There's another fun gotcha: the winnings are paid out in bitcoin. So if bitcoin falls, and you win the bet, the value of the magic beans you won also goes down."
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.69 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.12 TH/s
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/3a46c43ff7dca6d11fc87d884f8589a1/tumblr_mvia2xrFj51qbfo7so1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: "Why not addressing one of the several elephants in the room? Why is 90% of their revenue from recruiting new investonomers? Why is the exchange owner taking such a huge role in "educating" his "investors"? Why is every single company co-owned by the exchange owner?"
mircea_popescu: omg lok at that, kakobrekla is still on account #4. what happened there, their mods got thrown in jail or something ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates << there's no possible significance to keynesians anymore. they're a cult by now, like the collodial silver derps.
mircea_popescu: jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture << interesting, the chlamyda story.
mircea_popescu: you mean the ones i linked like two days ago ?!
artifexd: The coins that look all circuit board-y
mircea_popescu: jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast << yeah i think you can say that. what was it, 70s ?
kakobrekla: too bad it isnt in the bash
assbot: Bank of Japan drives rates below zero | Business | The Guardian
BingoBoingo: If mitochondria are some separate symiote we just depend on, there may be a way do a replacement
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' << I dunno mitochondral replacement might be an interesting experiment
ben_vulpes: strip the text out, hard wrap it at 80 chars, gpg sign it
The20YearIRCloud: I'll have to dig it up, but there's a few altcoin or places that say they can sign contracts via blockchain
thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud what are you referring to?
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: i'm pretty sure they can, since they've talked alot about contracting via blockchain
jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture
jurov: how do i know? i was diagnosed ch. pneumoniae (lung one, not the sexual one)
jurov: re:smart pill - i think there may yet be surprising discoveries
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: it's been years and i was never any good :P
jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast
jurov: BLIT << wasn't this actually invented by monty python? only they had it as deadly joke
artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice.
gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
ThickAsThieves: means they won't let anyone named Mark have an account
thestringpuller: is this just for the lulz?
thestringpuller: from who? themselves?
kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA restrictions, however you can verify with the specification that all commands do what they are supposed to do, and that clients are only sending documented commands.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm eusocial, and i take offense at the dilution of terminology.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: but because they cost less to produce and less to maintain
mircea_popescu: there's more ants than people alive not because ants are better tea company
mircea_popescu: you underestimate the importance of cheapness.
chetty: but in practice it tends to reduce to the lowest common denominator not the most fit wins ...
mircea_popescu: this is usually obvious in computer game design. if there's a warrior, a mage and an archer, having them all "equally powerful" defeats the point of having 3 of them. having them "differently powerful" often reduces to the former.
mircea_popescu: well, the accident that guncotton is not made out of cottons while guns are made out of fllailed earth had something to do with it.
mircea_popescu: but if you try make all teh places run on the same software...
mircea_popescu: have a pedo state, send all pedos there, have a 1950s household, send all 1950s types to utah, and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: anyway, what irks me isn't the weirdo stuff in the us as much as the memetic tendency. if it worked like, "if you want women to park anywhere and bakers to bake anything, go to ohio ; if you want women to not be allowed to park anywhere, go to montana" etc it'd be fine.
chetty: mircea_popescu, well it used to be like that nayway, these days it can be a choice
mircea_popescu: it's quite logical, if you care to follow the twisted remants of logic inside the system
mircea_popescu: a woman is a woman afore the state.
diametric: bakers aren't afforded the luxury of a special status
chetty: personally I have trouble seeing the difference between "women can't park here." and bakers must bake any cake requested
assbot: How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/
mircea_popescu: in principle, disallowing absurd selection practices for employers may be unavoidable. otherwise, think of that church idiot and his "advice"
diametric: asciilifeform: there are only very specific sets of things hoas can't do. For example they can't say "no blacks allowed" or "women can't park here."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, the thing you cite is employment law.
asciilifeform: though, if i recall, it concerned employment rather than real estate
diametric: usually hoas are run by bored housewives and middle managers that want to feel the power of lording over people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall that if your torture test ends up affecting one ethnic faction more than another, you get in hot water
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diametric: asciilifeform: re: home owners associations. they can basically place any number of arbitrary conditions on home ownership.
asciilifeform: point not being that i personally relish integral puzzles, but that if it were possible to escape usaschwitz by getting good at them, i'd be inclined to try.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?
asciilifeform: but i'd rather do these integrals every ten minutes, than be asked to come up with $mil.
mircea_popescu: heh. so the top is what, like 2/3x^2/3 + x ?
asciilifeform: and the like.
The20YearIRCloud: If i'm going in those areas, i'm getting land for the land, not to build cheap houses
asciilifeform: (perhaps mircea_popescu and i might've forgotten how to grind gnarly integrals mentally, but we still have the neurons to grind with 'macsyma' etc.)
mircea_popescu: but it's simple pattern recognition, right ? of the ilk of "what is x2 + y2 + 2xy"
mircea_popescu: haha they actually use integrals as captchas ?
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure i could do integration by hand, outside of recognising the formulaic equivalents.
mircea_popescu: the idea holds water tho. money is supposed to work as an iq-meter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "and their capitols"
asciilifeform: or even 'name the 50 states of usa'
asciilifeform: those aren't areas I want property in << designated ghettoschwitzes, yes. notice how it is highly illegal to keep out scum other than through real estate pricing, in any part of usa.
asciilifeform: if could afford to escape - would. just like every other schmuck
mircea_popescu: yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years.
asciilifeform: gotta be in usa << currently. (as discussed in the past)
The20YearIRCloud: there's areas where I live that they don't care what you put up or what you live in (Sheds included), but those aren't areas I want property in
mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz)
asciilifeform: big glass << laugh all you like, 'corning co.' is one of the few remaining mega-industrial giants in usa
nubbins`: BIG GLASS IS IN THE TREES
The20YearIRCloud: There's this one type of soy insullation we want, it's 4x more efficient per cubic meter than anything fiberglass has to offer, and some municipalities still don't allow
The20YearIRCloud: the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation
asciilifeform: real estate parasite scum live, breathe, to keep housing costly.
asciilifeform: for the same reason buckminster fuller's injection-molded plastic house was banned.
rithm: mircea_popescu i totally do not follow the chat and just jump in randomly as if i knew what were going on
rithm: shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me
mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked...
mircea_popescu: what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ?
The20YearIRCloud: But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing
asciilifeform: mortages grow on gubermint trees << more complicated than this. no houses in the usual sense, near what remains of civilization in usa, are permitted to cost less than mid six digit.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud trailers ?!
asciilifeform: wait - people rent these?
The20YearIRCloud: we're looking at two different lots that have them, i'm pretty darn excited, it all gets me one step closer to being the slumlord I desire
asciilifeform: the way, some say, stephen hawking drives his wheelchair with arse muscle joystick
mircea_popescu: anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands"
ThickAsThieves: well, the goal is to be entertained, not impressed per se :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the pill just makes you uber horny.
mircea_popescu: im almost tempted by your theory. "you can sleep better if you never have sex again. here's the pill"
asciilifeform: used to be, folks would travel there for this op, just like others went to thailand for 'sex change' etc
asciilifeform: matters more for one man than another
asciilifeform: surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer.
mircea_popescu: lol how do they fix it ? suspension ?
asciilifeform: alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this.
mircea_popescu: (yes, that's how that "extra" dna from the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set)
mircea_popescu: how are you going to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ?
asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.'
mircea_popescu: the fact that all cultures had beds, and the fact that all cultures could go to bed with any others.
asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha
mircea_popescu: sleep is very similar, and in fact one of the better arguments pro homogenity in the human race
mircea_popescu: if you're going for this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill.
asciilifeform: picture hypothetical - what if actually needing 8+ hours is something like 'beriberi'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some people are fucking dumb. others - not so. find out why, avoid, win.
asciilifeform: ah and that's another tidbit - some people need considerably less, for firing on all cylinders, than others. find out why. if can replicate - win.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the premise is flawed. they're trying to escape... into da's office ?
asciilifeform: a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse.
The20YearIRCloud: It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform escape < they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe mere survival ain't the goal.
asciilifeform: sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ?
The20YearIRCloud: Closed on the loan today, joy
asciilifeform: good analogy, except that, with correct plans, it is possible to survive the bathtub catapult (parachute exists.)
mircea_popescu: plenty of people work up the nerve to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ?
mircea_popescu: HOW you get there may be as important as how much time you spend, neh ?
mircea_popescu: suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time"
mircea_popescu: suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe
mircea_popescu: you know anything about the pashtun ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got the stomach for some mysticism ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do think what's herein contemplated is of the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical tools.
asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here.
chetty: mircea_popescu, has these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how the rest of us live
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say, take the pet, go to yoga class.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: opposite effect, there.
nubbins`: oh, it links to the ink-mixing post
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable.
mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ?
mircea_popescu: i think the more likely producitve approach is psychologic tho
asciilifeform: then perhaps mutants.
mircea_popescu: theres really nothing to know, you just... lie down and sleep
mircea_popescu: well... so what does the pill do again ? allows you to rename things ? i can do that w/o pills :D
mircea_popescu: but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep.
asciilifeform: and 3, 4, and they won't even lie down
asciilifeform: just as the example you gave, of stimulant abusers - most of the documented medical sequelae, afaik, are from extreme sleep deprivation...
mircea_popescu waves at thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: only problem with that test is you won't be able to distinguish the source of any side effects - from the rocketing or from the rocket.
asciilifeform: (and staying in 3+4 without the normal gaps of 1,2)
asciilifeform: test would be - some means of reliably rocketing through them straight to 3 on demand.
asciilifeform: hypothesis here is that stages 1 and 2 are 'runway'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there were some renaissance mechanical models for this.
mircea_popescu: the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things
mircea_popescu: now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue
mircea_popescu: people who use it outside of that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure.
mircea_popescu: the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope.
asciilifeform: not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven.
gribble: Spandrel (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_(biology)>; Evolution The Spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian ...: <http://faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/GouldLewontin.pdf>; Adaptations, Exaptations, and Spandrels - Social Sciences Division: <http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/spandrels.html>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vestigial waste of time. <<< why <<<< if you pharmacologically zap stages 3 and 4 of sleep - eventually death. stages 1 and 2 are spandrels. they're, as far as anybody knows, worthless - if you sleep only 1 and 2, approx. same as not sleeping at all. but our meat is not equipped for skipping straight to 3 normally.
mircea_popescu: and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session
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