RagnarDanneskjol: BingoBoingo - You know for a fact I made efforts to gain better clarity between parties from our pm earlier. All the recruitment I have done for b-a has been out of the kindness of my heart (which is a lot btw in terms of time spent - well over 60 hrs)
dub: A similar belief in the mystical power to avert bullets had earlier been reported among Islamic groups in Africa and Asia[7] and America, such as the Ghost Shirt Movement.
RagnarDanneskjol: I am 33. Have been a recruiter since I was 18. what the hell does that have to do with it
RagnarDanneskjol: if you'll read the emails I copied you on I have been quite clear - and ask if any clarification is required...crickets
BingoBoingo: That is incredibly likely. The world is fucked. California is falling off of the world.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> maori will help you negotiate with the british << Didn't you hear??? Moiety Starved. Scottish is NOT profitab le..
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decimation: maori will help you negotiate with the british
BingoBoingo: KODE_YETI: Then explain VAN
BingoBoingo: Bring the cotton out to be sole.
BingoBoingo: OSX is as much blasphemy as the devil
KODE_YETI: the "command" key on this altop has a hole in its black coating due to meta use
KODE_YETI: <decimation> so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? << asciilifeform u fukn metal
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KODE_YETI: you're the only one so cursed
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asciilifeform: you can use them in a sunlit room, for instance.
asciilifeform: the 14-bit monochrome 'eizos' are quite unlike ordinary lcd
decimation: but it seems that our 'upgraded' lcd displays lack what we had in the past
asciilifeform: (actually never mind, i have an earlier 'radiforce' in other room, 1600x1200)
asciilifeform: that's a bit unfair. trinitron ~= theoretically infinite contrast ratio (save the odd stray electron)
asciilifeform: the gov. approval thing is for use in surgeries
BingoBoingo: And nao you're going to tell me Agent Broachwala loves the Jewish state in the Levant....
mircea_popescu: you don't understand asciilifeform. europe sits on a lake of wine the size of michigan
asciilifeform: same as the proverbial century-old wine bottles.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are you going to find virginal trinitrons, haven't been made for two decades
mircea_popescu: dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit << you broke it, you buy it.
decimation: I suppose for the paupers who just need a screen cheap crt is cheaper than lcd
asciilifeform: (somewhere in china, ntsc/pal picture tubes are still made. you don't want these.)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i guess that may explain the vague approach. alrighty, we talk more tomorro or w/e, see what he wants to do.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah you are right the resolution on modern lcds is 'better'
asciilifeform: i was there, we weighed it...
decimation: I miss the little wire shadows on my old trinitron
mircea_popescu: or was it the girl with a pair of melons
mircea_popescu: decimation: a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer << better if it comes with a pair of black girls.
mircea_popescu: keep upo the good work, he says.
asciilifeform: homo chumpiens isn't meant to keep his iPnohe for longer than a year, or the like.
asciilifeform: lol why would 'they'.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah a well-known defect of lcds. supposedly the new led-based displays will overcome this
decimation: asciilifeform: would not want to breathe that smoke...
mircea_popescu: decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing << what i miss most about crts, believe it or not, is the shade.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah the little 'pen' devices
mircea_popescu: decimation: 'peripheral' laser scanner << you mean the handheld shits ?
asciilifeform: (there is always - more flesh.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reaction pictured.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the worst that can happen
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhmNROtH44 << interesting to students of chemistry as well as noob machinists who would, had they not seen it, mounted Al shaft in PTFE bearing...
mircea_popescu: o shoit, bob ross is the guy that "would you like a fresh towel" dude was trying to immitate.
Knot_Yeti: *young the notion
Knot_Yeti: pahaha mircea_popescu old the notion
Knot_Yeti: but i'm not about to stand up for the assholes running bikers over while tapping on their wheelbox-mounted tablest
BingoBoingo: Knot_Yeti: No, I'm just saying STLCPD is a bunch of Niggers and the blacks in Ferguson deserve the right to lynch them\
BingoBoingo: RUF is for the people
Knot_Yeti: dun matter for the dc
BingoBoingo: Knot_Yeti: Also moar Niggers in the county PD
Knot_Yeti: <BingoBoingo> Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo << flat, no earthquakes, reliable oil for the gennies, it's in every american seven-niner's uptime plan
Knot_Yeti: <KRS-1> Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ << holy KRS-1
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
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BingoBoingo: Also the chance Wisconsin does not win out the rest of its schedule is so remote that people who want to bet on it need to bitc to the Big 1G
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ben_vulpes: although i never had the oportunity to discover what a "true" or "honest" cycle might look like, i just beat it until it submitted to what i wanted from my life
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Half the year I can make them feel lazy. Unfortunatley for me the half they aren't looking
ben_vulpes: hey i'm shoehorning my own cycle into the american business routine too asciilifeform
asciilifeform: the difference between 'rarely' and 'never' is often more palpable than between 'daily' and 'rarely.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't misunderstand the original gripe. the bell is annoying precisely because it rings - rarely.
asciilifeform: reduction to practice - another matter.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. << f/h can be had without signing that contract. contract that includes "bells" should carry a markup adequate to compensate for the interruption of critical bio processes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Today an old colleague commented that i lost weight. Did not know the proper response to that.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: walking does not take one to the edge of the performance envelope.
decimation: I suspect that the fantasy-plans for "contingency usg" would be a hilarious read
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Week I graduated college the world wiggled every other day. Maybe my life stalled out because it stopped???
decimation: lol http://washingtonexaminer.com/lights-out-house-plan-would-protect-nations-electricity-from-solar-flare-nuclear-bomb/article/2532038 << " Officials said that the legislation, provided in advance to Secrets, will include information from a recent EMP commission report that "contemporary U.S. society is not structured, nor does it have the means, to provide for the needs of nearly 300 million Americans without electricity.'':
dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit
ben_vulpes: ah, i was only privy to the botnet inspector gig and NSA.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does << yeah, but have you seen the de-wiggler in action?
decimation: it's not the initial flare, it's the geomagnetic storm, which is mainly a threat to equipment attached to long conductors
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decimation: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ << there was a strong solare flare from an earth-facing sunspot at 1745 utc, could produce a nasty geomagnetic storm in a few days
BingoBoingo: Oh, a Brian Goss, maybe the one from this space? >> http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2149175/Hotel_Hell/season_2/episode_8/Murphys_Hotel/?huid=hxpyursy1xh9
decimation: ideally the distro should come from ascii's software-priests
BingoBoingo: Well ideas of adult and distro tend to run contrary to each other
decimation: agreed, there is an unfilled space for an 'adult' source distro
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You ever ru a p2pool?
asciilifeform not particularly enamoured of gentoo, but there is no real alternative.
decimation: sounds legit. I second diametric in that discussion the other day, I like arch as a former gentoo user
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
decimation: so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand?
asciilifeform: or forget about the crazies and run alone.
decimation: except if you use gentoo, occasion decisions by crazies wipe out your house, then rebuild...
asciilifeform: set up once, then live. like building house.
decimation: I bet it was a pain in the ass to setup xconf
asciilifeform: decimation: they stack well.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: decimation, BingoBoingo, others - http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << possibly only good thing about lcd, you can do this.
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upme_boolcrap: yeah houses in the city
decimation: I was talking with a guy who worked near the Googleplex the other day - apparently he knows people that commute 3 hours each way
decimation: ah well that would be okay then
decimation: I've heard of people commuting from west virginia to the dc area
upme_boolcrap: but i have alot of room between other houses
upme_boolcrap: its not to far out there
upme_boolcrap: i live in the hills
decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing
asciilifeform: decimation: i decided, and then some time later came to believe that was wrong - and it was too late.
asciilifeform: put it this way. either you're a grown man and can pick up 50kg like feather - or - you're a cripple, and someone hangs around who can pick up -you- (to put in bedpan) - and this person will carry your display.
BingoBoingo: Exactly. Mac OS 7 was the shit.
asciilifeform: who cares what their display weighs? how often, it moves !?
decimation: I actually worked in a library in my youth, I quite enjoyed the spring keyboard and the 'peripheral' laser scanner
BingoBoingo: <decimation> probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit << Interesting you mention this nao, get back to me in 2 weeks
decimation: probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit
BingoBoingo regrets not talking first realish job into the other 3 processors and GB of RAM into the Ultra 80
asciilifeform: the phosphour fades, and there is nothing to be done about it (besides a dreaded heathen recipe - boost the gun voltage. result: 'radiation king (tm)')
asciilifeform besides, would need 4+ of them
BingoBoingo assumes the reason for metallic ink on high denomination USD bills is X-Ray shadow at the air port
BingoBoingo: Seriously, burned rather than finish finding entropy to generate keys
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: trick. no typo.
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is ceill the typo?
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asciilifeform: upme_boolcrap: calculates m. petitjean's chirality index for alpha-quartz crystal lattice of growing size. just as printed on the box.
decimation: asciilifeform: they were pretty to be sure
decimation: next someone is going to come around saying they maintain IRIX
chalbersma: @decimation yes but not all the AIX/HP-UX clients are government.
decimation: chalbersma: are they selling to usg?
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ << chalbersma I scooped you at least once
chalbersma: They have AIX too!
BingoBoingo: <chalbersma> Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. << Stahp or I'll have to cover you in my systemd fatwah
upme_boolcrap: maybe i have indulged in the medical marijuana
decimation: atom cpus suck but they are low power
chalbersma: Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year.
chalbersma: It's the low power stuff.
decimation: chalbersma: some good tips on your blog, thanks for writing them up
chalbersma: Ya I remember reading about the RG problems. I use bitvps for my blog and it seems fairly stable. But I assume that there's probably a number of people offering VPS hosting for bitcoin these days.
upme_boolcrap: i imagine they are mostly naked?
mircea_popescu: depends on the day.
upme_boolcrap: i put my key in my other wallet
mircea_popescu: or make the bus wider
decimation: as memory becomes slower relative to cores*cache available the incentive is to micro-manage how data is shoveled into the cpus
thestringpuller: the life and times
asciilifeform: 'programmers' is a ware in the same sense as 'food'
decimation: I wish the hardware had garbage collection built-in like your dream, but the problem is that the von neumann world is going the other direction
asciilifeform: decimation: not so much example for output (you can see that in 'man' page) but of where you might actually bother with profilers.
decimation: asciilifeform: thanks for the example
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asciilifeform: decimation: (on 32 cpu. cost money, at the time.)
chalbersma: I noticed someone said they didn't like bitvps but they have VPS for $20/mo that may do the trick. I assume other vps providers have similar pricing. 2 cores 2G 20GB 2TB transfer.
mircea_popescu: tbh i imagine that's what powers the 25%. narrow base.
X-Rob: which I then sold and recouped my investment with a nice margin
X-Rob: I ended up owning almost 10% of the coin
X-Rob: decimation: I feel that I'm always at the bottom edge of the market of rig hire. I don't want to appear to rip people off
decimation: asciilifeform: I think with the new 'dwarf frames' & libunwind things have gotten better on linux
mircea_popescu: but admitting for the sake of admittance.
chalbersma: So not much at all. I think the p2pool node I setup for RSM was using about 400MB of RAM but I was telling that server to manually connect to a number of peers.
decimation: X-Rob: why do you think folks are willing to pay more than the expected return to rent miners?
mircea_popescu: maybe it's because the work had too many decimals.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob wa the pool falling over because not enough cpu ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The last version of Mac anything was 7.5.1
chalbersma: I think the real issue then is how much "ummph" does the VPS in question need. I've not had a chance to experiment with the minimum requirements for ATC or p2pool ontop of ATC.
BingoBoingo: No merged mining is possible with ATC, by ThickasTheives design
chalbersma: If the idea is to minimize costs then a VPS is probably your best bet for now. Especially considering that the blockchain is so small. Question can other sha-256 coins be merged ontop of atc? Like namecoin
BingoBoingo: Resedit being the last great dev tool offered by apple
asciilifeform: decimation: like any decent hardware debugger for other archs
BingoBoingo: ATC is totally not mergeminable, and there are questions over whether pool hosting costs could be justified for:
decimation: linux actually has something called 'perf' that does this - sorta - but the problem is that it doesn't do a full backtrace
asciilifeform: decimation: you're stuck purchasing an ICE then.
asciilifeform: profiler generally exists to eyeball what portion of the time is spent where in the program.
BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 68k port of Valgrind
mircea_popescu: allow me to contribute a naked woman with cane marks on buttocks and buckets to the discussion. http://38.media.tumblr.com/cf703026c6e39b636e296a6e9a8a9072/tumblr_mrhlp197Gz1sum4lro4_500.jpg
chalbersma: Plus the usg couldn't get any worse if it was toking up. :)
decimation: I was thinking to myself this evening: what if Washington DC were washed into the sea tomorrow? usg's contingency plans would probably be to move the government west, in the middle of the kulaks they have been harassing for decades. I don't think that 'contingency usg' would survive as an entity that we would recognize.
chalbersma: @Bingo I am also interested in MaidSafe it seems like if it's implemented properly it could be the decentralized Amazon EC2.
chalbersma: @Bingo would consider it in the future. Not looking into starting a hosting gig full time at this point. I haven't worked with Solaris but at my last job I did setup an internal FreeBSD webserver for them and I've been keeping up with FBSD for a while (esp. that ZFS goodness).
mircea_popescu: after bitvps went to the dogs i dunno that there's actually any dedicated btc hoster
decimation: yeah the real complication comes when you want to pump high power into something and have it not burn/explode
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't hide an antenna. this is the definition of antennae.
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Then you dig your lake a better hole and insert pipes for "irrigation"
mircea_popescu: chalbersma i see. well okay, so do you see yourself running a bunch of pools in the future ? or what ?
decimation: "The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. "
assbot: Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov
BingoBoingo: What if my dick curves ever so slightly to the left? It's conductive... antenna?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Amaxing how much of the research in this field is documented on "reality tv"
asciilifeform: carry away the earth in buckets, if you have to, in pant pockets - as pictured in 'the great escape.'
decimation: also many of them have language banning antennas of all kinds -- this was 'encouraged' by the cable companies
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Meant bunkers, I would love a studio apartment under the pasture
decimation: well individually nobody (it's a roundoff error in the total 'fees' required to transact us real estate) , but spread over thousands of transactions you have a 'special interest'
TheNewDeal: KRS-1 not totally convinced "soy is an estrogen enhancing garbage by-product." Used to supplement it while lifting weights in the past, worked just fine for muscle buidling
BingoBoingo: HOA's are a scam because most of them ban unkers
decimation: also many states/counties charge a high fee to reproduce the official deeds with covenants
BingoBoingo: Otherwise I have couches
decimation: they charge several hundred $usd to provide the 'paperwork' needed to sell a house with covenants
BingoBoingo: I could move 4 times in the next year so my home connection is iffy
decimation: re: hoa << it's a scam that's also perpetrated by the 'property management' industry
chalbersma: Depending on the size of the atc blockchain you may be able to host it on a VPS cheaper.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma ok so, part of the problem here is that the entire market cap of atc is about what it'd cost to get a server colo'd.
KRS-1: imo Texas is the best place to set up shop
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: I've been looking at datacenters in the region for my blog
chalbersma: Originally designed it to do scrypt p2pool with many alts but the scrypt hardware we pre-ordered was delayed.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 well so the guy has broadly speaking a point. otherwise he's much too blund and sorely uneducated/uninformed to make much of it.
KRS-1: I've got to admit the author has an edge and I find a lot of his writing pretty good.
BingoBoingo: I mean German women are the backbone of Europe
mircea_popescu: "Gentlemen, being a man is great. You get to use your muscles to pick up heavy things, you get to use your dick to fuck things, and you get to use your brain to think and create things. Its no wonder feminists hate men they desperately want what we have but they can never have it. But how the heck have they convinced MEN that being a man is bad or evil?" << ah come on, women can't lift things ? wtf.
nanotube: BingoBoingo: tickler eh hehe. mircea_popescu thanks for the concern :D
KRS-1: Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/
chalbersma: ATM the RSM p2pool has a private IP in the DC but we're working on getting it a public one. When the request comes back you'd be able to log into the public stats page and check it out.
chalbersma: Ya but I needed someone to "show me the ropes" so to speak. I'm sure I could have done it myself but this gave me a structured way to start.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma contrary to what BingoBoingo may have you believe, there's no secret initiation rite, especiually nothing involving blood.
chalbersma: Ya he has an opinion about you but then again he's a bit hotheaded and has opinions about a lot of people. But he gave me my first break in bitcoin so...
RagnarDanneskjol: he's a nice southern gentleman who wanted to work in crypto and just happened to live in close proximity to them
mircea_popescu: chalbersma so what's your relation to the guy running it, w/e his name is ?
chalbersma: :) Ya I didn't name the company.
asciilifeform saw 'red star', thought 'what a soviet mining firm might've been named', went to check 'http://bitcoin.su.' lo and behold - there's one.
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: Given the first name Meni... Can you offer a last name and a list of transgressions?
chalbersma: I've set it up with bitcoin and from what I understand atc is almost identical it "should work" almost out of the box.
BingoBoingo: And iSpace is the opposite of stable
mircea_popescu: X-Rob speaking of ppl can't math : "Basically, by specifying the price to such a huge place, it gives an advantage because it takes a smaller price change to win."
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.52 TH/s
BingoBoingo: Oh Pity the Pool died again...
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.61 TH/s
BingoBoingo: There's a Bitcoin p2pool
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: p2pool in bitcoin was 5% of the network, last time I looked.
X-Rob: It kept falling over, I think was the major issue.