asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you said 'serious,' i assumed you meant the factories where the bezzlords merit-wash their spawn
BingoBoingo: 'Murica does nothing well if not Begging the Question
BingoBoingo: Well, of fucking course I'm begging the Question, because this is how 'Murica picks which schools are serious
mircea_popescu: i hear they refurbished some containers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the American view, as I understand it... Serious schools are the ones that dominate their local geography
BingoBoingo: It's the crieria by which UIUC is serious and University of Illinois Chicago is Community College++
BingoBoingo: Who were located where they were to try to kickstart serious cities in locations people don't want to settle.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This seriosity criteria is not my own, merely repeating the the 'Murican criteria
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we had reactors. we also had ~30,000 students, of whom perhaps 100 had any 'serious' reason for being there.
mircea_popescu: does your seriosity criteria beg the question ?
BingoBoingo: Columbia's "Occupy" group camped withing a football field or two of the City Football field
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u. of md. is not in the boundaries of any serious city (city of college park is a very small and threadbare thing)
BingoBoingo: Mizzou for example was perfectly happy to let the city of Columbia pay for and hoard the heavy stuff.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Across Universities in the US, the biggest difference I've noticed is the hardware they keep for their "security"
asciilifeform: u. of md. used to have another one, kept in the car impound lot. but it must have broken down, was sold.
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BingoBoingo: Dude can't take the nexy step https://chronicle.com/article/You-Dont-Need-a-Search-Firm/148525/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but if you mail in, via postal pigeon, a cheque for 1mil, they'll probably take it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taking anything other than 'plastic', in bezzland, typically requires human labour.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Types of payment We currently only accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express credit cards for payment." << You have to realize "credit card" now is often used to refer to the various prepaid arrangements of dubious value
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i'm the only person that will shitlist a company for that reason.
mircea_popescu: the "you will not believe what this mom did" crapola.
mircea_popescu: nah the derpy ad server that puts all those idiotic "related stories" on shitty msm websites
mircea_popescu: congratulations on living in 1980 over there. o.O
mircea_popescu: the lost ones go to academi, not to some pakistani
asciilifeform: (see the several documented instances in iraq, etc.)
mircea_popescu: well, yeah, but see the difference
asciilifeform: they regularly lose far larger parcels, in the form of crates of benjamins, 'by accident'
asciilifeform: though, what's 2.5m bezzlars to these folks.
asciilifeform: for all i know, he was station dogcatcher. the claim is that he was chief.
mircea_popescu: clueless people. there isn't one head.
mircea_popescu: well, what do you want. after the pakistani episode he's eminently downed jet material
mircea_popescu: not really the sort of material one wants for that job, but then again who am i to judge.
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asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << anyone remember this?
BingoBoingo: It's a small step from a chuckle to a person choking on their own blood
artifexd: That's like being upset at a Michael Bay movie because the acting sucks.
asciilifeform: artifexd: always hated these.
artifexd: http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ << the lisp section made me think of asciilifeform
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-fucking-understudy/
BingoBoingo: Prolly around the time #Freenode is a channel on Bitcoin-Assets IRC
mircea_popescu: im curious when this "walled garden" idea of the internet is going to finally die, and how and why
kakobrekla: there is no restriction
artifexd: Roughly how long is the delay between a block being broadcast and bitbet updating the feed with bets contained therein?
kakobrekla: the betsbets thingy
artifexd: So the three feeds are new, resolved, betsbets? I can work with that.
asciilifeform still finds the picturesque scene in 'bird' implausible.
asciilifeform: but would need threaded cock for the locking action.
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asciilifeform: and of course, the undying legend of said bug applying to human.
asciilifeform waits for obligatory mention of dogs and their geometry / deadlock phenomenon
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla help the man lol
kakobrekla: the twitter has it no ? :D
asciilifeform reveals that he has not, in recent times, succumbed to the temptation of connecting current to brain
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is there a new bets rss ?
artifexd: Is there an rss feed for bets placed?
kakobrekla: and rss is so great the author offed himself.
artifexd: Yeah. I see the rss feeds for resolved and new bets. I don't see an rss feed for bets placed.
nubbins`: The20YearIRCloud i ;;later told you a tracking number a couple days ago, did you receive it?
mircea_popescu: you never met one with big tits then
nubbins`: women don't fight with their tits
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mircea_popescu: lol but i dun get it, what's the dick going to do to me ? not like i'm a woman.
nubbins`: well. i mean. they did
nubbins`: sure, but if you miss the dick on your first strike, you're goin down
asciilifeform: nice lathework!
nubbins`: the state fucks you up, your only recourse is to sue, which itself is detrimental to you as well as those around you
mircea_popescu: nj police steals 20k from random people ; nj residents get to pay for their salary ; for their paid leave ; for the court cost ; for the damages.
assbot: Paulsboro police settle with three brothers in alleged assault case | NJ.com
mircea_popescu: http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2014/09/paulsboro_police_settle_with_three_brothers_in_alleged_assault_case.html
kakobrekla: btcalpha saves the day
The20YearIRCloud: 7.49% dividend yield based on current price, and we still have one more property to renovate from the original money
mircea_popescu: borrowing from the future, always.
mircea_popescu: yup. tis how the world works.
mircea_popescu: and sane people are happily and silently banning them.
asciilifeform: the proponents (there's exactly 1, monsanto corp. and its subcontractors) are happily and silently raking in the $$$
asciilifeform: purpose+effect - rather than 'uses godless tech, must be satanic'
mircea_popescu: but the point remains. what exactly is so fundamentally wrong with focusing on the fact of modification rather than "purpose" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specific excuse idem << this is more like the fabled pestholes where female dies of appendicitis unless a female appendectomist can be found, because 'modesty.'
The20YearIRCloud: Just in case there's any RENT investors here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> focusing on the fact of modification, rather than specific purpose, is idiotic. << focusing on female immodesty rather than the specific excuse idem ?
ThickAsThieves: “I guess the markets aren’t seeing what I am seeing. An entire economy is being rebuilt. I have a price target of $10,000 in three years. Even that may be pessimistic.”
asciilifeform: there are more people who miss required classes in marx-leninism than there ever will be people who will miss the silicon valley crapolade.
asciilifeform: there's not a single post where the 'parody horizon' isn't crossed or at least approached...
ThickAsThieves: "Want to become a billionaire? Then find a way to help a billion people."
asciilifeform: if controversy is manufactured from whole cloth, in empty space, then typically - both.
asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)
asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
asciilifeform: 'teaching the controversy'
pete_dushenski: jenna's up there all right
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pete_dushenski: right. ok so let's clean up the language and go with "lmo"
asciilifeform: it's precisely like calling bitcoin a 'crypto-currency', as if there were other similar apparatus worth mentioning, sitting on the shelf next to it.
asciilifeform: the only extant commercial mods are - to help the plant resist megatonnes of poisonous crud poured on top.
pete_dushenski: lab-modified-foods then?
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2014 16:08:14; asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods
pete_dushenski: also: "wait until you see what the third world invents when they get internet access"
asciilifeform: once you utter 'pro-' or 'anti-gmo' you're swallowed the stupid pill.
assbot: Enjoyed /PeterDiamandis' talk last night. Can't wait for him to join the Bitcoin fray, starting with bitcoin-assets: http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: teh jooz run everything. cept bitcoin << tell that to goldberg ;) trilema.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/
mircea_popescu: just because i'm old doesn't mean i'm involved with all the jewish agitprop :D
chetty: <mircea_popescu> lol i'm not satan!// just his little brother
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves caught in their own web of parallels.
ThickAsThieves: yeah that bothered me too
asciilifeform: 'A simple no in answer to questions regarding NSA involvement could end the controversy. The governments failure to answer generates a presumption that either no would not be a candid response or the prosecutors do not know the answer.'
pete_dushenski: mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up << teh lulz!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: twould be grand if life could go on without condoms << well, this is sort of the way life starts, y'know?
mircea_popescu: cazalla im pretty sure it's the armory repackaged by insex.
mircea_popescu: ah the "first one ?"
asciilifeform: n00b goes to india to learn yoga (the -real- yoga, that lets you take a day's break from breathing and talk to the gods, in imagination of homo sovieticus)
mircea_popescu: if this particular shot is fake, which i guess is possible, the thing still exists and i've seen it before.
asciilifeform: who does the bottom half belong to?
mircea_popescu: back when i was a kid, you had to try and imagine what the inquisition looked like. nowadays, you just need to check out "porn" http://31.media.tumblr.com/101eab0b3b90b3fe81916c5e95ea962a/tumblr_mr66avsy7w1s3rid7o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: or so the imperial dream goes.
mircea_popescu: ziggla so what do you do, other than betting all your coins ?
asciilifeform: both belong to the state-god-emperor.
asciilifeform: in totalitarian reich, it's not 'your' home and they aren't 'your' children
ThickAsThieves: it had been up years by the time
ThickAsThieves: wow i'd rage if they tore down my hobbit home
mircea_popescu: so mesothelioma ?
ziggla: ha i see that betmoose site cancelled the silk road bet. hmmmmm
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing why they banned
asciilifeform: precisely like asbestos (which the fiberglass makers had banned)
pete_dushenski: like asbestos then
mircea_popescu: it's not relly toxic, more like noxious. the glass itself is harmless silica, but the shape it has allows it to mechanically breach the skin,
mircea_popescu: was based on some high fiction popular work, the hobbit or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the case of the people making that very cheap wholly natural house, being ordered to destroy it ?
asciilifeform: in any and all anglo-reich tendrils, a house is required to cost at least 2-3 years of the expected occupant's entire wage. break this rule, they break your neck.
ThickAsThieves: hilarious, if Yes, then your winnings are worthless
ziggla: pretty sure there's a female pornstar named stoya
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... << http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/30/shipping-container-house-vancouver_n_4697469.html
ThickAsThieves: there's your porn name
ThickAsThieves: there surely is a role
asciilifeform: not everyone on the stage needs one at all...
ziggla: but i guess it should be what the masses want
ziggla: ha. i think its pretty easy to make them work that way
mircea_popescu: the arabs want women that stay virgins, never bleed and are made of translucent flesh
ziggla: i guess in my opinion the most fair result is to just cancel/refund the bets at a certain point. prefer not to wait forever
ThickAsThieves: <+ziggla> which is kind of worrisome, no offense /// insult is the sincerest compliment
mircea_popescu: i see no impediment to this secondary market developing, rather than forcing me to do stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: in principle, if your credit / wot ratings are good, you should be able to use the proof of holding the bet you made as collateral with a gpg contract
ziggla: but i guess then i have to trust bitbet will remain solvent and hold my coins securely
asciilifeform: and even then only if the culprits hanged upside down, wired to the mains by the balls, and admit the data genuine.
asciilifeform: only way the truth (tm) comes out is if more than a few of the players involved are thoroughly pwned, rooted, results trotted out.
mircea_popescu: the auction won't be settled until all claims are resolved.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's also possible someone sued, which is frequent in these auctions
mircea_popescu: so they should have responded by 1st of august
mircea_popescu: yeah they announced draper like 1st of july
mircea_popescu: when was the auction again ? june wasn't it ?
ThickAsThieves: right on the website
ThickAsThieves: nah they have a feed for PR
artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> and said theyd give a statement early Aug << Maybe they did give a statement. They held a press conference on the back loading dock at 3 am on a Tuesday and forgot to call the press... or anybody.
ThickAsThieves: i know i'm biased, but i cant look at the betmoose web design long enough to attempt using it
mircea_popescu: if you will, take solace in the concept that a fiat investment arrived in contention can trivially lock your funds for a decade+
ziggla: at the end of the day, rather than wait potentially forever for a small profit or loss, i'd prefer to just receive my bet money back. it's just a long wait and i have no other bitcoins to bet so i can't even place more bets that i'd like to right now.
mircea_popescu: except they want to do it with clay pots.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda the problem, noobs wanna pretend like they're playing this crypto currency game.
ThickAsThieves: he never signed from the waller
ziggla: pretty sure the transaction to tim draper was confirmed
ThickAsThieves: they did at least transmit coins
mircea_popescu: so far, it's unclear they've even delivered this batch
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so they claim.
mircea_popescu: but then that fell through. now, how exactly it fell through... it's not clear.
ThickAsThieves: they also have an asston more coin to sell
ziggla: that's the only point of lying i see
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik betmoose is the attempt to "prove me wrong" of some guy that was pissed that i despise the "marketplace model"
ziggla: so if they are going to lie and scam, you think they will try to inflate the price they received?
ziggla: 500 btc is different than like 7 btc. the silk road bet isn't for much. don't think tim draper or the usms is scamming newbs on bitbet here
ThickAsThieves: or did they just reskin to betmoose?
ThickAsThieves: does that other bet site exist anymore?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if nothing else, there's going to be an investor report, not like he's mp spending his own money.
mircea_popescu: some scamsites working with them to help them skewer noobs aquiesced, which ruined their reputation. bitbet did not.
ThickAsThieves: i used to be sure he overpaid, but he was so fukn tightlipped to every direct question on the price
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're curiuous re precedent, the bfl scammers put 500 btc on a delivery bet early on in bitbet's history
mircea_popescu: ziggla i have nfi yet. i deliberately avoided the topic, because why prejudge
ziggla: i also don't agree with that methodology either way
ziggla: mircea, just curious what you think the price was in case you decide to resolve the bet rather than an official release from USMS
ThickAsThieves: dont the losers deserve to know?
mircea_popescu: very good drama in the whole auction thing. lots and lots.
mircea_popescu: personally, i'm waiting for the drama bubble to pop.
ThickAsThieves: USMS needs more apparently to fabricate a reality where whatever story they give about the auction will seem true
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ i still regret no judge made their email thing precendent. "from now on, an y taxpayer may just pretend they lost the emails"
ziggla: yes, it is resolvable. i wish the USG would just cooperate so we can know
PeterL__: reminds me of interacting with the IRS "Please submit this info within 3 days or else huge fine, expect a response in 12-16 weeks, maybe"
mircea_popescu: ziggla well in that sense driving into the wall is easy, just turn the weel and push the gas.
ziggla: sorry folks, this bet is unresolvable. usg won't release the info. it has been 3 months. we will refund the bets.
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ it's funny you know because they walked right into it, they were all "o we hve a pr stragety, here's how we'll crush bitcoin's image lalal"
ThickAsThieves: as you can see with the latet NYDFS update
mircea_popescu: ziggla can't wait forever, obviously. but the alternative is imo worse.
PeterL__: rules are for the peons
ziggla: but they haven't
ziggla: yes, so we wait for them to release this info
ThickAsThieves: and said theyd give a statement early Aug
mircea_popescu: PeterL__ multiple people. the 30 day term has been exceeded. by 50+ days.
mircea_popescu: but there's a legitimate contention here, no way to cancel.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: people just wanna blame someone or something else anyways, eg. the joo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: perhaps you can, perhaps i can, perhaps other cannot
mircea_popescu: ziggla the difference is that you perceive this theoretical 3rd way, of "cancelling bets". i don't.
ziggla: seems easiest to not play oracle if you don't have to make any decisions about your thoughts of the usg if the bet is just cancelled
pete_dushenski: and that they probably cross-contaminated something at home or at friend's house, not restaurant.
ThickAsThieves: there's always a purpose to lying
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the purpose of not publishing it afterwards ? after all that lead-up and promissory behaviour, o noes, we will ruin btc lalal.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? << hilarious when people get food poisoning, blame it on last meal they ate, ignorant of bacteria with >1 week incubation periods (e. coli, listeria, etc.)
mircea_popescu: ziggla that's kinda what they do, tbh.
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to play the oracle for bureaucracies
ThickAsThieves: ziggla needs to know your version of the truth here
mircea_popescu: after i make a decision, if their claims contradict that decision... they're lieing.
mircea_popescu: what price it sold the btc.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't want to have to lie later, it better tell the truth now.
mircea_popescu: because the bet exists.
ziggla: why don't you just cancel the whole thing if we don't find out?
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what the usg may falsely or accurately claim afterwards.
ziggla: when will they admit?
ThickAsThieves: see you shoulda just let me make the schrodinger bet