Vexual: mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast
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asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits
mircea_popescu: and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines.
mircea_popescu: jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine"
asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship.
kakobrekla: i mean the read off
mircea_popescu: the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature,
assbot: Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform?
asciilifeform: now, getting the answer out in a usable form...
asciilifeform: why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly.
asciilifeform: (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever)
asciilifeform: to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar.
asciilifeform: one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution
asciilifeform: so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4MTAyNTk1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTA4Njc3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg << these ?
mircea_popescu: it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach
jurov: they aren't using whole cells
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus.
asciilifeform: how long did the colony live ?
jurov: the google book i linked has bool logic gates
asciilifeform: eh, tech was actually happening then.
mircea_popescu: by 1900 they had sewing machines.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time
asciilifeform: '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...'
mircea_popescu: jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there.
ContingencyPlan: thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT?
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fluffypony: has everyone changed their password?
kakobrekla: down for another minute.
mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed
mircea_popescu: o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D
mircea_popescu: im saving my money for the apple cockring
chetty: who has order their apple leash ..err watch?
mircea_popescu: dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"
mircea_popescu: 51) If our models could time-travel back in time, we could have forecast the pause if we had the tools of the future back then [NCAR press release]
mircea_popescu: chetty "the HockeySchtick" lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).
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chetty: http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-in-global-warming/
mircea_popescu: ;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power
justusranvier: Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)
ceger: nobody and every other chan is dead lol
kakobrekla: blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can
fluffypony: it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014
mircea_popescu: looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all
fluffypony: so they become altcoin "developers"
fluffypony: but they can code...a little
fluffypony: there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL
mircea_popescu: hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education
fluffypony: summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section
mircea_popescu: it's the new 2weeks
fluffypony: oh jesus don't these people have something better to do
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skinnkavaj: good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is
mircea_popescu: "Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?
RagnarDanneskjol: well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine?
chalbersma: Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen.
RagnarDanneskjol: the one you set up i assume
chalbersma: Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool?
chalbersma: That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today.
mircea_popescu: you don't need the quotes i dont think
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mircea_popescu: chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway
chalbersma: In theory we could take a "cross that bridge when we come to it." position.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip
chalbersma: Well cat's out of the bag.
chalbersma: I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.
mircea_popescu: lol let the guy get paid what.
chalbersma: If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.
RagnarDanneskjol: i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY
chalbersma: Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :)
RagnarDanneskjol: i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest
mircea_popescu: if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.
thestringpuller: E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time.
thestringpuller: For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin.
jurov: let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then
asciilifeform: think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins.
jurov: btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks.
mircea_popescu: There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the womans ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : Here! this is what we took out of you.
mircea_popescu: people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.
mircea_popescu: really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way.,
asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present.
mircea_popescu: so there's something wrong with this easy fix
mircea_popescu: well so then of course it can't be made.
mircea_popescu: not the point here tho.
asciilifeform: (the latter - already published...)
asciilifeform: easy fix. don't publish the client.
mircea_popescu: listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ?
mircea_popescu: who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis
nanotube: then, no expense
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out.
mircea_popescu: "woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider :
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier favours the later approach :)
nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?)
mircea_popescu: which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with
mircea_popescu: he implemented gribble and the wot
mircea_popescu: ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy.
mircea_popescu: here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most.
mircea_popescu: the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle
nanotube: how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain?
mircea_popescu: so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's.
mircea_popescu: nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ?
gribble: if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc.
mircea_popescu: aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute.
mircea_popescu: tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute.
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
FabianB: hm. guess i need to improve the fallback
mircea_popescu: FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ?
mircea_popescu: so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it.
mats_cd03: fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.
mats_cd03: ya corkami is the bees knees
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Vexual: a bit of the `ol "in-out" huh?
decimation: as long as there are no pathological correlations it will be fine for my purposes (anything that looks strange on a very large fft for instance)
asciilifeform: decimation: don't expect to discover anything useful from the output.
decimation: asciilifeform: have you experimented with the intel 'rdrand' instruction?
asciilifeform knows more than he wants about the u.s. patent office
asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge)
decimation: right, but they could walk in, hit 'approve' on all thier 'production', and go home for the day?
asciilifeform: patent office specifically proclaims that employees are retained & promoted based on piecework (their term, 'production')
asciilifeform: let's assume that each and every allegation in the piece - is true.
decimation: the 'blog' (is a blog post from wapo like a 'story lite'?) makes it seem like no one at the patent office has a relationship with reality
decimation: asciilifeform: "crock of shit" << are you saying that the 'whistleblowers' are lying?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The examiner alerted a supervisor about the fraud, but he says he cannot do anything as long as she meets her production, the whistleblower wrote.' << how this is a problem ?
asciilifeform: (rather harsh ones, which is one reason for the famously poor quality of the judgements)
asciilifeform: they have production quotas.
asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit.
assbot: Patent office whistleblower: ‘Managers have no idea when their employees are working’ - The Washington Post
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/09/12/patent-office-whistleblower-managers-have-no-idea-when-their-employees-are-working/ << what usg gets from its employees
decimation: http://www.weather.com/news/lightning-strike-injuries-death-rocky-mountain-national-park-20140712
mircea_popescu: they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses
asciilifeform: the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death...
BingoBoingo: Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit"
BingoBoingo: At least one must have worked. They didn't come back to take him out of the bag to normalize the sceen.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i bet the fellow who ended up in the famous bathtub duffel bag - had 17 systems, of which 15 failed. the remaining two, say? one at the bottom of the Thames, perhaps. one was built into his towel hanger and thrown out by landlord - blood wouldn't come off. (imagine.)
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
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BingoBoingo: Who was it? Appelbaum? Who caught some invader in his apartment on his 4th surveillance system after the first 3 were incapacitated.
asciilifeform: 'your Honour, i've a hidden camera in my toilet tank, it filmed the hextuple-orifice motorized police rape of my person.' judge: 'court orders that Sgt. Coquthrobb retrieve evidence...'
decimation: yeah I'm with mircea on this one, see the "keystone kops" above
mircea_popescu: dude for crying out loud. you think there's five cops that know how to use one ?
asciilifeform: (among the surplus 'iraq gear' discussed earlier - certainly, jammers.)
asciilifeform: afaik, they don't run a gigantic spark gap jammer during a bust - yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: first thing they do is destroy all comms. this dates back to at least 'waco' incident.
BingoBoingo: Best defense is against US police seems to be not any fortress, but the threat of unknown cameras
BingoBoingo: decimation: They can find whatever esoteric paraphenenial in your tablets.
decimation: but you are making your own herbal remedies? what would usg have to say on the subject?
BingoBoingo: So... USG and Libtards seem to have officially declared war on Running Backs: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/12/minnesota_vikings_running_back_adrian_peterson_reportedly_indicted_for_child.html
asciilifeform: as in, who gets the 3am broken door and barrel in his mouth, and who doesn't
asciilifeform: graphical terminals for proles, while having an actual computer in your possession will be seen as rather like owning, e.g., a Kugelrohr.
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/09/ask-peter-thiel-anything/ << "Is Palantir a front for the CIA? No, the CIA is a front for Palantir." "I don’t agree with the libertarian description of the NSA as “big brother.” I think Snowden revealed something that looks more like the Keystone Kops and very little like James Bond."
asciilifeform expects that proles will eventually be issued with graphical terminals, just like everybody used to expect and then, for some reason, stopped
mircea_popescu: the difference between better and worse is not arbitrary. it's real. this then flows right into all the pots.
decimation: for the moment, shenzhen has no use for any dreamer's lock-in
asciilifeform: as for the latter...
asciilifeform: the former - is proceeding on schedule.
asciilifeform: nintendo for the lumpen, lisp machine for man ?
mircea_popescu: most of the mass will boil, but is worthless boiled or not.
mircea_popescu: what will happen here is that the "frog" will spontaneously separate.
decimation: all that remains is the problem of carefully herding the sheeple through the right gates
asciilifeform: decimation: approximately everyone who gives half a damn knows the 'why.'
asciilifeform: 'even entire free operating systems... ...existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggersyou could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.'
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo << what, srsly ?!
The20YearIRCloud: But it took quite some time for them to raise the cash, and they had to bring an extremely large commercial lender in
The20YearIRCloud: One of our investors pointed out a extraordinarily large funding round that went through for a 1050+ unit buy here in Central Ohio, the financial metrics were absolutely fantastic
decimation: heh oh that's the 'tpm' module lol
The20YearIRCloud: I've been looking into investment options once we get our 506c and it's crazy how much money is being thrown at 1st and 2nd stage tech startups, then someone brings forward a really, really good real estate deal and they take forever to fund
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BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: I'm pale, but not Anglo
The20YearIRCloud: are you not of the caucasion persuasion?
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Because White people are a bunch of fucking Niggers
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: No, disorderly conduct, because allegedly I engaged in political speech
asciilifeform: phun phact: infineon makes the 'fritz chip.'
The20YearIRCloud: industrial companies are cheap compared to these idiotic tech startups
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: I've still got last year's misdemeanor. Feds haven't presented any charges
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
decimation: look at the 'egold' story
BingoBoingo: The worst part of this misdemeanor thing is that Illinois has a solid collection of my fingerprints
asciilifeform: e.g., 'log all the palmprints' means -all-, not merely the ones which didn't come with benjamins. or, alternatively - means all but the district attorney's, when he buys his dope.
asciilifeform: usually end because stoolie in charge breaks the understanding.
BingoBoingo: These things may exist at the Crown's pleasure, but they rarely end before they produce quite the vexation to the crown.
BingoBoingo: Oh, but the ATF's Fast and Furious was a thing, and ISIS is apparently now the biggest thing.
asciilifeform: spamcoins exist at the crown's pleasure.
asciilifeform: no 'fight' in the latter case
BingoBoingo: How can the fight the daemons Satoshi unleashed when they can't fight the ones they grew themselves
BingoBoingo: Well Irony is that Law enforcement visit to my doorstep was for cashing BTC out to those back in the day. The fucking card the load to is regitered with SSN and all that leading toward their boredom as described in blog post.
asciilifeform: like all the retail 'preload' cards.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The Greendot moneypaks are done, Vanilla reloads look almost done.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the US really did kill non-BTC irreversible-ish payments
BingoBoingo: I mean the vowel shift pretty much eliminated any English's chance of winning the language war.
BingoBoingo: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sche=dongxi&id=22327319935&spm=2014.21481949.1.0 << Why I'm rooting for Spanish to win the language war. I can deal with a Latin alphabet.
BingoBoingo: Next door in Kansas there's Manhattan with a Univeristy and well... who knows really what their bio department does.
BingoBoingo: Then there's Columbia, Missouri which is Missouri's Third City and boasts one of the United State's highest per capita concentrations of persons with Graduate degrees despite being located in Missouri. The reason for this being the University, a couple other colleges, and so many fucking hospitals.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitstein: ;;later tell benkay I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I mean the ones where the Bezzel lords merit wash their careers after losing elections
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:53:06; asciilifeform: church's version is more like 'you go to harvard if you're the billionaire's son and need to be merit-washed before being awarded your crown grant - or if you're an idiot, took bait, had parents with good credit'