BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm going to infer Angela was the blond
mircea_popescu: and i mean literally. i place a bunch of blonde krautzettes in the shape of my signature on a lawn in which the nda was cut.
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fluffypony: otherwise he'll steal your idea and enrich himself and his cronies
qq1932: I asked you to self-qualify on a basic physics level in PM. Depending on your answer, may have an interesting proposition for you. Unlike the two outside ventures, I am acutally prepared to share 100% of this (privately, due to IP considerations) because it is a discretionary project for me.
BingoBoingo: I was under the impression the board wanted to turn "IBM" hence a few years of Sears selling "Mac Clones"
mircea_popescu: well sculley is making it all about himself, but no, my (not necessarily very valuable) understanding is that endless friction with various engineering teams over the 80s eventually bubbled up into it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineers? on the board ?
mircea_popescu: breaking the barrier between "what we're doing" and "how we're doing it" is unhealthy in all cases
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr jobs is credited with resurrecting the company, but he actually strangled it and turned the taxidermied skin into a kind of animatronic dinosaur.
mircea_popescu: i'd have fired them all too, and impaled a few, extra.
mircea_popescu: the incredibly cheeky engineers in question had the unmitigated audacity to outs him from his own company because "they're merituous"
mircea_popescu: and the cardano should have been implemented on the apple ipad. "just make sure you run it on battery"
mircea_popescu: there should not have existed a raspberry pi if apple had a twinkle of a clue.
mircea_popescu: instead of selling diy robots and wall attachment accessories, they tried to make money selling a longer proprietary power cable.
mircea_popescu: "o let's push bezos into not paying engineers we shouldn't have hired salaries they shouldn't get anyway"
mircea_popescu: but 1965 jobs'd have said exactly the above.
mircea_popescu: had he not died, he'd have been old and by then formatted.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately the way this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough to fight and win,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who asked them << presumably, apple corp. legal dept.
mircea_popescu: who asked them anything.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.79069767 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: these are garbanzos
hanbot: they're wrong potatoes improperly fried, right?
mircea_popescu: i bet you he doesn't even know what they are :D
mircea_popescu: the chickpeas you mean ?
hanbot: not much of a lesson there.
mircea_popescu: i imagine 50 million billion trillion chickpeas sold since the dawn of agriculture.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i don't think it's that simple, most people "beating their children" would likely result in the kids hating their parents rather than hating fucking up
ben_vulpes: i want a portable compute object that plugs into the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing
mircea_popescu: toothbrushes sell by the billion. what sort of argument is this.
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: the moral being, beat your children. if they don't know how to hate they don't know how to matter.
mircea_popescu: "o, we're going to change the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks that change the world oooohhh"
mircea_popescu: the actually functioning touchscreen is the big challenge there, and they solved that. the rest is just trims.
mircea_popescu: it'd cost the same 500 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and it wouldn't cost 18k either.
mircea_popescu: serve the deeply seated human thirst for anthropomorphising
mircea_popescu: the tablet being basically a portable head to attach to anything you want.
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy.
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if the thing were made by me you wouldn't have the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and the "this is unextensible" view.
kakobrekla: if mp were the manager, the thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean the techs that made it were idiots, they were competent. i mean their managers were idiots)
mircea_popescu: honestly i think tablets will suffer a foss revival much like the pc did.
mircea_popescu: the thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool.
mircea_popescu: i actually got an ipad for checking their market
The20YearIRCloud: is there a bitbet yet for more NFL beatings?
mircea_popescu: browsers are notably going very far on this basic line, with a "your css" rather than "website's css" approach
mircea_popescu: the interface is called interface for a reason, and to specify it as part of the product is akin to the peacock coming with a set of eyes to look at it with.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the solution to the "gui problem" is not to resolve the gui problem but to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported to make it. skins are too little too high up, but still the right idea.
mircea_popescu: to the degree someone had to make a proper nongui interface.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There probably a label used for that condition somewhere in the USG, something as an analogue to the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia"
mircea_popescu: ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed."
mircea_popescu: "Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history -- which is no doubt true -- but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Am
mircea_popescu: some competition'd be spelndid for them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Did you have the chance to play with "At Ease" on your Mac?
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never lived there, actually.
mircea_popescu: it will die because the people that matter dun like its mug.
BingoBoingo: The original Mac UI died before even Hypercard
mircea_popescu: it died for the exact reason the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness.
kakobrekla: ok then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense
mircea_popescu: and it didn't die because it was either a bad product or badly packaged.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the UI lived on right ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: it is important to remember that mac product actually died. it is deader than many other dead things, even, because got hollowed out and taxidermied.
kakobrekla: meh, take the current mkt cap for all i care
mircea_popescu: and in 2011 bitcoin was the superior tech solution to a wet sock.
mircea_popescu: why is 2011 the cutoff ?
kakobrekla: also the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being the superior tech solution.
midnightmagic: ah, cool then.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic so then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice
mircea_popescu: they have to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have to personally strangle every single andreas out there.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois..
mircea_popescu: i am not willing to allow the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter the cost.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.'
rithm: it was the original .ru socialist teris too
rithm: the actual macintosh classics
rithm: they were good for tetris iirc
rithm: i only had the II/e
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love the weird incompatible concepts that seem to pervade languages like tlingit..
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu dont worry, the next question is did it hurt more than half.
mircea_popescu: even the physical machine was nicer
kakobrekla: i wouldnt limit it to ui but ill take the answer.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: package being what? ui? in a way, they did. recall why ibm pc - similarly costly - ran over the early macs, despite technical inferiority in every sense.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :) the way the stupid youth ends up apt is through running into these scattered about.
kakobrekla: well then diametric can answer.
midnightmagic: Ah. So you're just complaining about how nobody's learning and using its (still-preserved) complexities these days because $stupid_youth..?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform , expert in this field, did early macs suffer because of their supposed nice package?
mircea_popescu: in the end it'll be just fine.
mircea_popescu: romanian is the most flexible language i've ever heard.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It is universal; some languages are resistant to it, for various reasons. There are some theories on that based around a language's resilience and flexibility, but I thought the population speaking Romanian was large enough to preserve it. It's pretty unfortunate if that's not so. :(
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this is a universal phenomenon, since the media heavily favours the more easily influenced members of a population, and they tend to be young, the media discourse then tends to focus on the linguistic abilities of noob speakers.
kakobrekla: maybe the package wasnt nice?
midnightmagic: Is the language falling into disuse then in its complexities? Like is it simplifying over time?
mircea_popescu: how about the early macs ?
mircea_popescu: but in practice it's too long for anyone to bother
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from << Around these parts the term Eskimo Brother is used
mircea_popescu: well blood brothers got recycled for gayzors too, but hey. we're purists over here at HRIBTY!
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. < you know, just ask the chumpatrons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to mother and school - yes. but the term got recycled for that other thing.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to blood brothers, people that did this bizarre knifeplay thing in adolescence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from
mircea_popescu: so there's a town of sogortiz.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, all people fucking the same woman also share a relationship. they're sogori
mircea_popescu: in romanian, all people with the same first name share a relationship. they're each other's tiz (read exactly like tease).
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, this is the XXVIIIth edition of our show, How Romanian Is Better Than You! Welcome! today, the word tiz.
kakobrekla: its not the whole receptive, but key ingredient.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google i will gladly repay you on thursday for an ethereum today
ben_vulpes: when's this ether dump?
mircea_popescu does the international jewish hand gesture.
kakobrekla: > there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" < does not out by itself, you need to extract the value out
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. < just learn their sekrits
mircea_popescu: "people around the office have seen your drafts, and they have proved very divisive. people can not agree on which are good or better and there have even been arguments. this sort of subversive activity is completely inappropriate for an office setting. i would like you to complete a sensitivity training course for art people."
mircea_popescu: your problem is the excess.
asciilifeform: all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse << nah. yours truly, for instance, has pulse, but will not be invited to speak there. etc
thestringpuller: i should go to MIT and start a drug business with bitcoin since they've already seeded the coins
assbot: Speaking live in about an hour at MIT http://t.co/qJ1lq7q7Pv, as the first event to introduce the lucky undergrads to their $100 of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a better question is who DIDNT speak at mit.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: he is apparently speaking at MIT as an expert and giving away prizes to the freshman...
mircea_popescu: they're not husks, they're what people want to look at. women with the udder bulding out.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators << dude, nobody wants to spend 3 minutes watching a "creator" that's not female, not properly jugged and not properly skinned.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> when did he become an expert on the subject.... << you mean in his own head or irl ?
thestringpuller: thanks for the talk ThickAsThieves
thestringpuller: not there.
thestringpuller: seems moot. i'm interested in show biz but yes the passion...
ThickAsThieves: or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves damn that's depressing. rather than discovering talent, we try to manufacture it?
ThickAsThieves: now i get the switches
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ThickAsThieves: the singing and lyrics are written for a 3yo retard
ThickAsThieves: indie music kinda jived with pop music back then a bit
ThickAsThieves: thats why 80s-00s ruined shit, they made music a business model, all they needed was a husk amd some writers
ThickAsThieves: the talent market is much more commoditized now
kakobrekla: you need to 'register for a flash sale' to get these
ThickAsThieves: maybe not 80s either
ThickAsThieves: not in the 90s/00s tho
thestringpuller: has it always been the artist's problem?
thestringpuller: Beatlemania in the 60's
ThickAsThieves: i think there's something to applying crowdfunding concepts to music biz
thestringpuller: distribution seems moot in light of ticket sales on tours (if the artist has that kind of pull on fans)
ThickAsThieves: that's the key component of a distributor ;)
thestringpuller: whats the key component of a label? i originally thought distribution but i'm certain i'm wrong
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: have not. but i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio!
thestringpuller: when did he become an expert on the subject....
ThickAsThieves: once user boots both up and diddles with em in public, they will feel that nice rush of emarassment
ThickAsThieves: another prob with iwatch is it requires iphone
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that existed for a while now, and better adapted for the job.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller until you said something i had thought he had.
mircea_popescu: if the bitchez dun think glass is cool, the nerds don't buy glass, and the whole story collapses
mircea_popescu: google glass will own the watch on basic "wearables" and even google glass seems to lose the wider socioacceptance war, what with all the glasshole sites and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: the watch was a bad idea
ThickAsThieves: crop wont be there next time
ThickAsThieves: they leveraged it
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pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: apple has always been "all in" on design. though the walled garden is an ios thing
mircea_popescu: the rest are undetected fakes.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: they do nao that they've had a few years to copy the original. but the fruit brand is still the fruit brand. lv is still lv
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont see why they wouldnt
pete_dushenski: if not the iphone 5
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: no disagreement there, but where do you see apple's decline commencing?
ThickAsThieves: and they know to email
kakobrekla: china got other iphones
ThickAsThieves: other than my fambly i guess
ThickAsThieves: the idea of being immediately available to anyone irks me
ThickAsThieves: i also dont like talking on the phone
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly, my thinking was, "either apple actually comes with holodisplays for a 2015ish horizon, or it won't matter by 2020"
pete_dushenski: then apple recognized its competition as such, rather than as inferior pretenders, and it's been downhill since
pete_dushenski: prior to that, it was "fuck you, 3.5" is perfect" and they were right
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" << the apple watch is past the inflection point. a point that was, in my estimation, the iphone 5's 4" screen
mircea_popescu: what's to come, wywialm is the guy';s name
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: o they matter. collisions were the catalyst for pete_d rather than bitcoinpete
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly << mystery solved. i had nfi why people still reference that idiocy after all these years.
kakobrekla: first econometric task could be to measure the circumference of a bitcoin
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: and i've started study coding... but the topic is huge... maybe with a little guidance...
mircea_popescu: maybe excel picked up in the meanwhile, but last i saw of it it was ridiculous.
punkman: I made a lot of the open source ones crash last year, client was fine with his Excel
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mircea_popescu: so i wiped a laptop, installed ubuntu, installed open office and had it load the thing and cut out the spurious data.
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: i was wondering... would you give me a little loan, to improve my WoT? there are better ways?
mircea_popescu: because at some point a bunch of derps in an office "we dunno why our computers are all borkt we had ppl repair them 5x but not able to fix"
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets << wtf are you talking about ?!
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. << vb scripts being untranslatable because of just how retarded vb is
pete_dushenski: i think the only time i've been to a tgif was in nyc in 2000. i'll never forget it because it was the first time i saw a menu with a whole page for "the atkins diet"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's << they actually had one of these abominations in riga
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone. << nao there's a man who doesn't take shit from people who are used to giving it all day.
punkman: pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank. << as seen in canonical movie "office space" (1999(
punkman: pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I don't know about the cams, but the driver's front window is an array of mirrors, usually
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists << xls has no problem being turned into google docs. though that may be about as big a difference as bush and obama.
pete_dushenski: "we miss our windows!" cried the generals
pete_dushenski: that's even better then
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows. << i read this as "building tanks with windows for looking out of." funnily, they may just replace seeing windows with mircoderp windows
mircea_popescu: the fundamentalist mormon state a distant second
BingoBoingo: There once was a mayor named Ford, of wood he cut a full cord. Twas his abode! Oh how he felt like a chode. And then there was another Mayor named Ford.
mircea_popescu: if you live in louisiana you should be worried, isis is the top bidder so far
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm selling louisiana to pay for haircuts.
pete_dushenski: notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon << that's some diamond encrusted dev work right there
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873 << c'est possible!
pete_dushenski: then what of that cia joke a week ago that made me lol so?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you think i make joke? the logs are really quite splendid this 16th of september
fluffypony: and bask in the glory of 0 lines from me
pete_dushenski: to all: wd on the logs, this fine morning.
mircea_popescu: i figure the best audience for it is bitbet itself
mircea_popescu: for the new tool
mircea_popescu: http://asfutecevanou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_5427.jpg << remember the 50s ? back when WE were the muslims ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, make yourself a banner for the thing, you get a month.
mircea_popescu: you should hear the whores thinking outloud.
RagnarDanneskjol: well - they aren't allies, so
RagnarDanneskjol: sorry - thought you needed to know the enemy is in yur backyard
mircea_popescu: jeez why the fuck am i reading bitcoinragazine.
mircea_popescu: "After a brief introduction to some of the buildings chief organizers, along with a tour of the facility, I was a fellow citizen in good standing, in the world of Bitcoin. "
mircea_popescu: many different fixes for many different aspects. either a fixed date, not such large blocks on sale, not such strictly fixed prices etc.
mircea_popescu: which.. you know. but anyway, lessons learned galore from that 1st try. it's time to release the undead hold.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well completion of ipo as in, them selling.
kakobrekla: this is the clause? has it been 30 days already sheesh.
kakobrekla: among the two named individuals, each receiving a block of 1`000`000 (one million) shares.
kakobrekla: 3. (f)Of the remainder 5`000`000 (five million) shares, 3`000`000 (three million) will be used as described in paragraph (b) above. The proceeds of those sales will go to the two individuals named above, alternatively for each block, starting with Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar for the first block. Thirty days after the completion of the IPO as described in paragraph (b) above the remainder 2`000`000 (two million) shares will be distributed e
mircea_popescu: no but it is getting ridiculous, wanted to do this after the bitbet ads thing but o noes, contracts.
mircea_popescu: ima be scoring them and getting the fully painted things later this month, and we will proceed having them modelled then.
mircea_popescu: MiniGame announcement : i received sketches for 36 itams, ofwhich 24 animals and 12 plants, from jason juta (the wizards of the coast guy) who's worked with us before and i was very satisfied.