mircea_popescu: for one thing, it's the cheapest way to raise an army.
mthreat: 3 years here is like 4 years other places?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every land could every land were a duchy and russia'd consist of some land on the bug.
mircea_popescu: the farfel guy is not just retarded,
mircea_popescu: "Oh, you didnt know? See, one of the differences between living in Buenos Aires and living in Salta, is that the life expectancy for males in Buenos Aires is 69,17, while in Salta its 66,17!!!! How Cool is that?! You get to kick the bucket while in your prime years, no one wants to be remembered like an old wrinkly man, rich or not. Why would you want to live in Buenos Aires and live a measly 4 years more of life?"
mircea_popescu: and also! it's generally gringos that are the scammers.
mircea_popescu: blind cavefish do not survive because they know not to upset cats
asciilifeform: or perhaps 'food chain' is not the right term. lion looks dangerous to man, but not to adult elephant, though the latter will not eat him
mircea_popescu: more like, because there scarcely is any food chain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the children chained / throats cut business, same goes to you as discussed with los_pantalones re that robbery gopro video.
mircea_popescu: by this measure the us has been through all madmaxes in history.
mircea_popescu: argentina... meh. i should be able to see the signs. meanwhile, their biggest bombing was of a 3 story jewish centre 30 years ago.
The20YearIRCloud: shtfschool has some information about the yugoslovia incident
The20YearIRCloud: he's making great money in the US as a consultant
asciilifeform: wai what, those great tales of children chained to streetlights so cars would stop, and then drivers can be throat-cut and robbed - all fake ?!
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ferfal lives in the US now, for a while ;)
mircea_popescu: i mean, nowhere near the smoothness one expects of the same operation in say maryland
asciilifeform confesses that when he learned that mircea_popescu was going to Ar, assumed that it was because of the joys chronicled by (among others) ferfal.
mircea_popescu: i gotta say, the scammers here are just about this fucktarded.
mircea_popescu: st to pay 300.000 a pop for a place in his Estancia
in one of the poorest provinces of Argentina
in the middle of the desert, where not a blade of grass would survive without artificial irrigation. JA!! Amazing what you can achieve with research!
mircea_popescu: Youd think that being rich and loving a wine sipping, golf playing sophisticated lifestyle youd be better off in Napa Valley or something, but no, the best thing for you is to go to the middle of nowhere Argentina and then go from there to a middle of nowhere province where land used to sell for a dollar a square mile, that is until good ol Doug bought it and his research now shows that its in your best intere
mircea_popescu: Isnt it wonderful how the Casey Research Group concludes that the best thing for you is to buy property from Doug Casey in crappy poor Argentina?. JAJAJAJAA!!!!
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: also, i'm done with my contract work so as of tomorrow my days are free again. we should get lunch, maybe at Dogg - http://pickupthefork.com/tag/dogg-buenos-aires/
ThickAsThieves: they have big ones now too
mircea_popescu says "get a tablet" then remembers proper tablet was never made because apple got to it first.
ThickAsThieves: they have those tabletops
ThickAsThieves: rather, not a good laptop for fine linework and ruining your eyesight staring at small details ;)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good laptop for a blind man, then.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: nah the reddit kids are a friendly bunch, i've been to one of their parties
ThickAsThieves: it isnt the best display, but everything else is nice
asciilifeform: there we go.
ThickAsThieves: the links are dynamic sadly, so you might have to build it, but i will look up my order
asciilifeform: they have a 2560 x 1440 glossy, and a 900 line turd.
ThickAsThieves: you want the X1 carbon 2nd edition
mircea_popescu: so going in there and plowing a beating into the reddit crowd seems a decent use for a few bitcents.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud it's so far been my understanding.
thestringpuller: interesting. i wonder if the suppression in price is at all related to this bet
The20YearIRCloud: I've met a few from there, they assure me with a little bit of cash you can do whatever you want
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud buenos aires.
asciilifeform: plus the one with >1080 lines has gloss.
mircea_popescu: curious what the situation is like here if you assault some idiots in the street. fine or what ?
asciilifeform: just as unrelated q: anyone know of a laptop comp. currently on the market which isn't a complete piece of shit? (everything i see either has display with < 1080 lines, glossy, or both - imho unusable.)
The20YearIRCloud: then attempt to make decisions that look forward, trying to plan. Of course many people never get to that point
The20YearIRCloud: in my mind adulthood is the time when you stop thinking less about now and more about the future
mircea_popescu: i've already been to the embassy thing, so.
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/ << wanna go ?
los_pantalones: and mp might say quite the opposite
los_pantalones: long puts, no matter the market
thestringpuller: just to see how they worked
thestringpuller: the only time I went short was october 2012
ThickAsThieves: some men can take the pain
ThickAsThieves: probly also restating mp's theories on not all men can be free
bounce: so pain is the universe's fault?
ThickAsThieves: probly just boils down to thermodynamics
asciilifeform: 'good' meant there, something one can buy or sell.
mike_c: nonprofit goal is to not book a profit, but they certainly want as much revenue as they can get.
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ThickAsThieves: the packaging is a communication
ThickAsThieves: nonprofit agency pays more money for cheap-looking solicition materials (like, capital campaign mailers) so as not to look like they have plenty money to afford nicer package
ThickAsThieves: oh yeah the other day you mentioned, you never heard of good package hurting good product
asciilifeform: the math is correct. just missing a term.
mike_c: i don't like circle's look. not as good as ethereum.
kakobrekla: but tat you can still have both, nice fonts AND correct math. in theory.
kakobrekla: mike_c sometimes the line from product and package is hard to determine, seems to me.
bounce: apparently the process size numbers have become all but meaningless
kakobrekla: i guess it depends what the goal is.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I have the event for you: Reddit Mitap - http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2gr6lo/mitap_s%C3%A1bado_27_parque_centenario_san_bernardo/
The20YearIRCloud: i can't wait till the 1nm asics
mike_c: but the implication being that BB does not currently have nice package?
The20YearIRCloud: as there were 100 posters made, me getting 50
kakobrekla: mike_c that 'nice package' of a 'good product' does not turn off the buyers after the 'good product'.
The20YearIRCloud: I wasn't sure if the posters were earmarked exclusively for tenants only
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud im sure nubbins` will gladly make you a dedicated fb or employee poster. kid's talented.
The20YearIRCloud: Which is why i brought it up with you now, as I don't want to give a few away and then them yell at me saying they couldn't claim their 0.1btc
The20YearIRCloud: I'd rather give a few away, it can take a while for us to churn through tenants & expand, running a contest would boost our FB page severely too :D
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I'm going to write up a letter/note and give a poster & instructions to each one of my tenants, then offer a discount if they use BTC to pay for their rent( even if it's a fraction of the rent). But that will only account for 15 of the 50 posters, so I was gonna run a few contests on our FB page (If that's ok with you?) for the remainder
mike_c: kakobrekla: i felt like that conversation the other day started in the middle. what is your position exactly?
The20YearIRCloud: nubbins`: Regarding our SEC filing, Havelock & FPAI act as intermediaries (Which the SEC allows) Separating the US entity from Havelock. Our laywer has run the setup through several other legal advisors at the SEC and they all feel it's the best setup for what we're doing.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud pretty much. we're going to limit it if there's anything looking like fraud, but otherwise, just show up in here and hold the poster up
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I got the posters today, I had a question about redemption of the prize or whatever - Do the claimants just get on here and post a link to a photo, are there any other requirements?
mike_c: helen was a thin pretense for the launching of ships. kinda like WMD.
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The20YearIRCloud: punkman: RENT's NAV is right around .01btc/share, so there's some value to new shares @ the reduced amount even of .0075 with as low as BTC/USD is. It wasn't my preference to close down market, but if my investor indication goes through they'll all be sold within a week and the fund will be back to normal activity.
asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller's mega-epic 'suddenly, the inventor appeared.').
kakobrekla: <mike_c> this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly < i dont like the combination of these letters
asciilifeform: mike_c: then use.. finesse.
mike_c: hehe. "I don't have time" 'then use space' "I don't like space!"
mthreat: there's a street near me called Guise
mircea_popescu: the present state of computing science sucks!(tm)
asciilifeform: table then.
asciilifeform: what's the limited ingredient? because if 8 bit output resolution, 300 byte table.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "and unusually sane 46 years (1520-1566) atop the throne, certainly compared to his successors" << certainly what
mircea_popescu: does anyone more versed in math have a ready replacement for sine and cosine in places where one wants a periodic but doesn't have the math resources to trig ?
bounce is supporting bitbet by not believing in the bets. nor actually betting.
mircea_popescu: fcking nuts the diff bets already.
ThickAsThieves: my prediction is the Wall St correction will begin just before BRK bet closes and mp will be laughing
mircea_popescu: there's more people here!
asciilifeform: and the like.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2014 04:09:12; mircea_popescu: answer : because women. pregnancy is also -ev, and yet women do it. the same psychological complexes that control that can also yield amusing social results.
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i'm like, you now i'll have to pay taxes on those too right? << dude stop letting the wimmins make important decisions like dietary and financial structuring
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of a sequel, might be interesting to go into the biological hooks made use of by a qualified ce (chumpatronic engineer)
mike_c: this activity is hurting kakobrekla's theory that bitbet need moar user friendly
mircea_popescu: lol and of course the scream of late leech is at its place.
xmj: there we go.
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mircea_popescu: "the pedestrian antichrist"
ThickAsThieves: am the antichrist?
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah i'm an unbelief god. like, most gods draw their power from believers believing.
bounce: "don't mention the powers!"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my powers only work when nobody mentions them.
mircea_popescu: o hey bitcoin outlets ? there've just been a quarter million dollars worth of btc bet within an hour. this is not news because you don't know where news in bitcoin breaks or because you don't know what news actually is ?
xmj: ben_vulpes: yes and since then i've had to deal with Skype, the IRS fuckers, and got around to set things up.
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well sure, that's what ethereum is trying to achieve.
asciilifeform: you're NOT doing it online << but if you could - you would. the number one ingredient for 'humint' rollups of whatever thing usg dislikes - is to get people to drag their earthly carcasses out into the physical open, where they can be 'controlled buy' operated and arrested.
mircea_popescu: otherwise shit is 50% more expensive
mircea_popescu: they have the same thing in argentina, it's called "precios cuidados". you can buy cheap shitty rice and w/e for pesos as if the official rate were meaningfull.
mircea_popescu: don't trade it for other things and you won't know how worthless it is.
mircea_popescu: here are "your" ten dollars and here's the list of things you may trade it for.
mircea_popescu: then in all markets, and so on.
mircea_popescu: bounce no dude. that's how they rationalize it, but really, the problem is the money is worthless. to maintain its appearance of value, its use has to be limited
bounce: but it's kinda interesting to see how money is now guilty until proven innocent. all in the name of fighting droogs and terrism and whatever.
bounce: every. last. one. of. them.
mircea_popescu: well something like that. "let suburbia buy drugs while interacting with dealers on social media" was the idea
xmj: that's why they're dealers.
nubbins`: the point of the site was to let suburbia buy drugs without having to interact with dealers
mircea_popescu: the point remains.
nubbins`: they're buying an 8ball
nubbins`: look at what happened to SR when they tried to move big amounts
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves, others - if your objective is not merely to avoid committing an indictable crime under american law as your lawyer was taught it, but to hide your wealth from total dekulakization - you cannot solve this problem without a closed arse-mouth btc cycle
xmj: because the things you do to require laundering money is illegal
mircea_popescu: but it didn't really go anywhere. they got too much drivel and the judges don't really get impressed.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they were trying that shit, mostly to elicit new information, some vague hope to make jury think onoes realbadman.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: you aren't thinking big enough. 'agents' or not, if you're feeding into or from a usd bank at the end of the day, you're in panopticon.
mircea_popescu: i think the prime of "we're selling bitcoin to pay for stolen credit cards" is come and gone.
ThickAsThieves: so basically if you are an otc seller, you just gotta watch out for buyers saying suspicious things, as they may be agents
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta understand the otc market is really a bunch of large players, in us fiat.
xmj: asciilifeform: mine - lives on another continent.
asciilifeform: mine - lives on other side of continent.
los_pantalones: there are still plenty of those
xmj: asciilifeform: how do you pay them? bank transfer?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lieing to yourself. in point of fact, on the strength of your wot rating yo ucan participate just fine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012 << this is where, at least from my jail's eye view, the buggers - won. as usaschwitz inmate, otc doesn't even exist for me. in order for it to exist - i'd have to become embroiled in handling suitcases of benjies in meatspace. precisely the kind of thing агентурная работа is optimized to roll up participants of.
ThickAsThieves: you mena they read someone else's?
mircea_popescu: it just was in some emails they lost is all.
mircea_popescu: no they really did it
ThickAsThieves: just like the NYDFS currently creating months of research they supposedly did in the Spring
ThickAsThieves: dafuck, they need to fulfill this FOIA already
mircea_popescu: that shit's going nowhere, suddenly they found extra utility for all the moles placed in random shitholes.
asciilifeform: imho, it was not a sale, but a trade. hence the bid circus
los_pantalones: nah but we assumed all the SM buyers would have blue balls and pay up after they lost
mircea_popescu: what happened was that one favoured party got the benefit of "match the best offer we get", is the problem.
ThickAsThieves: i like this theory, what if Draper actually bid less than everyone, but for all 160k or so coins
los_pantalones: i think they did
nubbins`: figured they'd go for above market rates
mircea_popescu: rounded to something or other ?
ThickAsThieves: and thats why they havent released deets
ThickAsThieves: maybe draper voluntasrily bid on the whole lot
ThickAsThieves: or have been selling the stash
ThickAsThieves: well maybe they decided to fill all bidders
mircea_popescu: of course nonsensical bs like "a perfectly fair price index" would get approved by the sec, bec, dec and heck in short order.
mircea_popescu: good for them and who ever cares ?
mircea_popescu: that means they're playing with confederate bills somewhere in the nebraska territory of bitcoin
asciilifeform: the controlled market will allow the entry of sizeable parcels coin, but not of usd; and the egress of usd, but not of coin.
mircea_popescu: to imagine the entire set of noob exchanges today have 50% of the volume of mtgox in 2012 is to overstate things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the joke being, of course, that bitcoin had an otc market larger than the exchanges back in 2012.
asciilifeform: at slightly lowballed price. shills (perl scripts) then 'buy' the coin at these prices.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:56:55; mircea_popescu: ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.
asciilifeform: herr buterin takes the bag of coin, and places it on markets largely controlled ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832201 ) by usg.
asciilifeform: so we have 'buterin's waterfall.' ingredient - a fat bag of coin. (where found? sr coins traded for 'boring' coin with no peculiar blockchain history - plus gov. mining, other confiscations, etc.)
asciilifeform: so you get a vacuum that is about as good as the water's vapour pressure at the room's temperature & pressure. not bad. cheap. if you remember school - you used this 'medieval' gadget.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not convinced there's anything at play but a lack of new bitcoin buyers
asciilifeform: water is pumped from a tank up, and then flows down a pipe back into the tank. in the down pipe, there's a spigot to the side, where a vacuum forms - water carries away air.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you posting the same thing ;)
asciilifeform: so, for the record, what i'll call 'buterin's waterfall' - picture a water-powered vacuum aspirator pump, of a kind used in school chemistry class.
kakobrekla: bitcoin holders are sheep. you only need to announce the sell to drop the price, not actually sell.
asciilifeform: this is why the sr dekulakization hoard appears to 'sit still'
asciilifeform: (meatspace trades - outside the blockchain)
asciilifeform: TomServo: these folks are not necessarily brilliant schemers, but they have the basics nailed down. such as how to trade 'interesting' coin for 'boring' coin.
mike_c: i sent the link to warren, we're tight.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 15:50:00; asciilifeform: had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'
asciilifeform: for reference - my theory of 'buterin's waterfall' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#832194
mircea_popescu: tough for them
asciilifeform: ^ right. but this answer unhappily tickles all the folks who think they like 'hierarchy'
ThickAsThieves: because you have to actually control the gold
mircea_popescu: the only correct response to one that wishes to impress you with meaningless bloodletting is MORE bloodletting, better directed.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ? << yes, actually.
ThickAsThieves: i hope buterin and friends dont think they can surpress price THAT long
asciilifeform: so long as your 'throne' (kingly, ministerial, city-dogcatcher, commissioner of farts, etc) is a thing - and isn't constantly probing your arse for worthiness to sit thereon - it will behave this way.
asciilifeform: i'd argue that this situation is intrinsic to the very idea of having stable 'institutions' like 'official medicine'
asciilifeform: while continuing to oversee the latter - hanged.
asciilifeform: shamans, if clever, will merely crib from the deviants as needed.
asciilifeform: is the answer for king to decree 'anyone may call himself a man of medicine' ?
asciilifeform: (some people see this as something which has already happened, but that's besides the point of the example)
asciilifeform: imagine if actual, scientifically-honest medicine were entirely forgotten, and the licensing authorities in your country permitted only witch doctors, whose main remedy is blood-letting.
asciilifeform: then yes.
asciilifeform: certainly the tabloids would love to print a sensational turd about the sub. but then editor's phone rings, and 'editors can also have problems'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, those are circumstantial. it's not about the press. if the chinese took over tomorrow it'd be all over the washington post.
mircea_popescu: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=abc_classy << referenced maddox piece, for the convenience of the students of the future.
asciilifeform: or, also trivial example, that chinese sub off the californian coast.
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mircea_popescu: the investment of hate results in online success, the failure to invest it results in online failure.
thestringpuller: isn't that the case with any industry?
mircea_popescu: the press meanwhile knows no greater enemy than... another press outlet, especially in the same market
mircea_popescu: my own pet theory, which you may laugh at as you will, is that the difference is the investment of hate. these people hate women, fundamentally, and as such they no longer need to look out for enemies, and so everyone else is a friend.
mircea_popescu: and they STILL behave correctly.
mircea_popescu: they saw money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is what i thought too, 2011ish. but here's the thing : these people now do book deals,
asciilifeform: they link to nobodies, to beginners << unmistakeable, dire sign of a field not yet (and perhaps never) mature. you need some beginnings of a fissure between the alchemists and the chemists, astrologists and astronomers.
ThickAsThieves: i can see it now "whatcha reading, babe?" "The Ugly Reality Of Open Relationships"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "the press" avoids linking to people like the plague, as the quoted piece from maddox yest showed. and i suspect this has a lot to do with their collapse, it's not the internet, is that they misunderstood the importance of reference.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's exactly the only reason they eked into a modicum of relevancy for the social discourse
mircea_popescu: no, they link to nobodies, to beginners, to people in their comments, they link like their fucking life depends on it
mike_c: i can confirm that a 1 yr old is terrible random number generator. they focus on a small subset of keys and bang.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic, it's fucking incredible to me how abandonedly they link to each other.
mircea_popescu: there's this group of people, who figure they've figured out women. they're not entirely correct, but they do have some good points.
ThickAsThieves: seems like the quest you are sending me on is "to understand woman"
mircea_popescu: well it's one of their luminaries.